Does CBJ really want to be here?

#76
#76
Yes , he wants to be here. If he didn't, he wouldn't be because as much negativity and crap that gets spewed about him would be enough to pull a Cuonzo and move on. Why does he not want to be here?
Because you don't agree with his coaching decisions? Do you question him for keeping quiet about it? Let it play out and see. CBJ has won everywhere he has been and you are questioning if he is trying to purposefully fail so he can get his payout and move on from this job in one year? Are you serious?

He deserves to be questioned but not on if he "wants" to be here. Everyone deserves to be questioned. But give me a break and stop with the stupid posts. Just because he doesn't hire a big splash doesn't mean he is not trying to win. A big splash could be a big headache if he doesn't fit with the coaching staff. Until he completely tanks, I'll keep the faith in a school and CBJ, because he knows how to coach better than any of the VN NCAA Xbox couch coaches.
 
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VolsRule said:
If butch leaves he'll take a job at a smaller program with few expectations---he doesn't like all the demands in a high profile SEC job. He'll have millions banked from UT so he can take a salary of a couple of million and be OK.
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If that's true, and I don't believe it to be, he would be a pathetic loser.
 
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Butch will screw up the OC hire...Count on it...Helfrich is about the only one out there who fits his system perfectly and he will pass him up for some nobody who has never had OC experience...This is a reason teams like Bama win championships, they surround themselves with top quality coaches that go out and get top quality players...We instead go to Walmart for our coaches.
 
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that Butch is content to stay here for a long time! Yes I said it! The fact is this University is an absolute mess from an administrative standpoint...and guess what...it ALL STARTS THERE! So if/when Butch is shown the door don't expect for there to be an endless line of high profile coaches to come knocking! We should know this by now! So for those of who who want nothing more than for Butch and Co. to get shown the door...you better be careful what you wish for! Volnation for the most part has developed into one massive NEGAFAN hotbed...and that's unfortunate. Fans see it, players see it, and recruits see it. If you don't think that it matters...you're delusional! Volnation has become poisonous cancer to this program! For those of you who want to defend this notion..really?? 80% of the threads on here are negative condescending threads and posts about Butch and Co....don't pretend otherwise! Many of you need to grow up..develop a reasonable football IQ...or GET THE HE.. OUT! So many of you (not all of course) are clueless as to the nuts and bolts that make up a quality football program..and you take for granted what we finally building again.
 
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i want to believe he wants to be here.

sometimes the pay checks keep you showing up, while you wait for something else to pan out....

but like i said i do think and hope that this is where he wants to be and i feel like he is committed to UT....
 
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UT Hill Man said:
Maybe not if his alleged "f*** them all" comment is true.
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There wasn't anything wrong with what he did. Fans are fickle, team focus is more important. It's not much different when you are coaching kids in any sport and the parents decide to start coaching from the bleachers. You tell the kids to ignore the parents, to only listen to the coaches and each other. You tell the parents that if they want to coach from the sidelines then they should have signed up to coach. If that doesn't work you tell em to f off.
 
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pismonque said:
I love the micro-evolution of self-sourcing on VN:

"Why would he do that? Is he stubborn or something?"
"Yeah, he must be stubborn to do something like that."
"Anybody who would do that is stubborn."
"Yeah, he's absolutely being stubborn."
"It's a well-known fact that Butch Jones is stubborn."
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"Butch Jones' trademark stubbornness will be his downfall."

Go back and replace "stubborn" with "arrogant" or "wanting out" or "control freak" or "insecure" or whatever. He may or may not be any or all of those things; it's just really entertaining to watch posters' comments become buzzwords and then become known facts.
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Amen! I still think this whole notion about being him being a control freak who doesn't let his coaches do their jobs has been swelled to a mountain of known fact by those who simply repeat it over and over without any real evidence. Pretty soon other sheep fall in line and off the ledge they go. The whole Bajakian panic was a perfect microcosmic example of your point.
 
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VolFreakJosh said:
I've noticed something interesting with this whole season and current OC search. The preseason expectations were very high this 2016-2017 season. We easily should have won the East and faced Bama in the SEC Championship even though we'd likely lose but most of can agree that we would have been happy since we did meet expectations.

After the inexcusable losses to Vandy & South Carolina, the media has constantly bashed Butch which he deserved after basically not owning up to his mistakes and tried to use his unique "coach speak" his way around it.

Since Debord left to go to Indiana, even though the hire hasn't been made yet, Butch hasn't even gave indications that he's willing to make a splash hire to save his job next season. He's not given any indication that he'll hand the keys over to a big time OC and let him run the ship. Having Coach Z and Larry Scott as a possible candidate that's not even had experience as an OC? I mean really? One word: Stubborn!

When Butch took this job, did he honestly think he would walk in and his ego wouldn't get in the way of everything? When you're a HC at a big time program at Tennessee, you can't be a control freak and not hire necessary coaches to help your defense & offense get better especially with your job on the line. I mean I've been a Butch supporter from day one but right now, I can't support a guy thats not willing to do whatever it takes to win.

Is Butch feeling the heat and just staying quiet or is he really trying to screw this up and collect his buyout after the end of next season if expectations are not met yet once again? At this point, I'm really questioning if he wants to continue to be the HC here at Tennessee.
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If this an indication of the idiotic threads that we can expect between now and August we are doomed on Vol Nation.....
 
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Roustabout said:
If that's true, and I don't believe it to be, he would be a pathetic loser.
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ala Dooley? Dooley wanted out of Tennessee after his second yr but wanted the full buyout. Hart refused so he let the little **** stick around another yr to drive it deeper in the ground. Everyone knows Dooley checked out after Ky beat his worthless ass! He has the fight of a worm in him.
 
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VolFreakJosh said:
I've noticed something interesting with this whole season and current OC search. The preseason expectations were very high this 2016-2017 season. We easily should have won the East and faced Bama in the SEC Championship even though we'd likely lose but most of can agree that we would have been happy since we did meet expectations.

After the inexcusable losses to Vandy & South Carolina, the media has constantly bashed Butch which he deserved after basically not owning up to his mistakes and tried to use his unique "coach speak" his way around it.

Since Debord left to go to Indiana, even though the hire hasn't been made yet, Butch hasn't even gave indications that he's willing to make a splash hire to save his job next season. He's not given any indication that he'll hand the keys over to a big time OC and let him run the ship. Having Coach Z and Larry Scott as a possible candidate that's not even had experience as an OC? I mean really? One word: Stubborn!

When Butch took this job, did he honestly think he would walk in and his ego wouldn't get in the way of everything? When you're a HC at a big time program at Tennessee, you can't be a control freak and not hire necessary coaches to help your defense & offense get better especially with your job on the line. I mean I've been a Butch supporter from day one but right now, I can't support a guy thats not willing to do whatever it takes to win.

Is Butch feeling the heat and just staying quiet or is he really trying to screw this up and collect his buyout after the end of next season if expectations are not met yet once again? At this point, I'm really questioning if he wants to continue to be the HC here at Tennessee.
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Josh I expect better from you.

Don't let the irrational knuckle draggers get to you. Of course he wants to be here and he's quiet because it's that time of year. ALL coache not playing in the National title game are quiet right now. Believe it or not this is a VERY busy time for coaches. He is very happy to be at UT and plans on being here a very long time.
Right now he's recruiting players, evaluating the past season, coaches and himself in order to make any changes needed. He is no more quiet now than he was after year one. Don't let the noise from the foolish emotional knuckle draggers get to you.
Hell, they even got negative on Medly for clearly joking. Just ignore the nonsense and be the good guy/fan you are.
 
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If I were Jones and up 35-0 with the crowd booing because I didn't go for it, I would have started laughing. Then probably looked at them shaking my head and asked, "Really?".
 
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vol66 said:
I think he feels like the program is close. I think he believes in his offense and the process for the program. He's gone 9-4 in back to back years and he will be on his third offensive coordinator, he just needs to find the right guy.

We could argue about who he should pick, but I don't think for one second that he isn't doing what he thinks is best. There is a learning curve and he's shown he's not afraid to make changes.
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Who he should pick???? Don't you think its more "Who he can hire"?
 
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wesleydmartin said:
i want to believe he wants to be here.

sometimes the pay checks keep you showing up, while you wait for something else to pan out....

but like i said i do think and hope that this is where he wants to be and i feel like he is committed to UT....
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Im sure the job was more enjoyable when he lost games in the first 2 years and didn't get the kick back that he does now. Recruiting was going well and the slogans and cliches had not run their course yet. Fast forward 2 years later in a year where the division is still very winnable given his recruiting and the typical obstacles (UF,UGA and recently USC) are down and you finish with 2 Ls in your last 5 games to bad football teams.

The questions are coming more frequent and pointed than they ever have and they started at the beginning of the season and have hit a high point since Vandy and SC happened. The job is not as fun as it once was.
 
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Vol$_Deep_11_9 said:
Butch tanking the season in 2017 would do him no good IMO, he wouldn't land another job, at least not a good one. He plays his coordinator hires close to the vest, seems I remember this same type of thing going on when Debord was hired.

I'll trust him to make the right hire. I may get roasted for this and that's cool but I think he made the right hire with Shoop. Shoop just needs "his" guys in here. Whether that's bringing in his guys from PSU that we didn't buyout or Butch saying "who do you want" and going to get them. A healthy defense wouldn't hurt matters either.

We thought the OC hire two years ago was extremely important, this one is more important than our search two years ago ever thought about being and CBJ knows that. I just hope the fans give the next guy a better shot than they did Debord.
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What you said about Shoop a thousand times. He should be given the freedom and the budget to hire whoever he wants, period.
 
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Give him a chance to make his hires and see what he puts on the field next year. Judge and respond accordingly. I do not think he would simply throw in the proverbial towel with regard to his next hires in the hopes of a fat payday buyout should he fail. That is ridiculous.
 
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DenmarkVol said:
What you said about Shoop a thousand times. He should be given the freedom and the budget to hire whoever he wants, period.
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I still don't understand why people keep saying this. No one and I repeat NO ONE can prove he wasn't given the opportunity to make staff changes. He met for an extensive amount of time with the staff ahead of time and fell all over himself patting them on the back. Shoop bragged on the defensive staff prior and after accepting the job at UT.
So please everyone stop the nonsense of "Shoop didn't get to make decisions".
He struggle primarily because OF INJURIES. That is just reality.
 
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