Does CBJ really want to be here?

[jakez4ut]

I mean I know when he said it and I know who he said he was directed at, I don't believe him at all when he says it was directed at the refs. But booing and up 35-0 was a bit ridiculous.

I see where you're coming from though. Cameras caught him at the wrong time.

It's not the cameras fault

 

[Vol$_Deep_11_9]

As it was happening and I was listening to it on TV I just thought it was funny that the fans were booing. And I think honestly for most of the fans it was more of a joke than anything else.

Really, it's not like there was anything to boo-boo up 35 to nothing.

I think, rather, that was more insight into Butch's overall personality and insecurity than anything else.

I'm not so sure it was a joke lol

I don't doubt he's insecure here. I mean after all, Vol Twitter and some of the call in shows are brutal lol

 

[jakez4ut]

I'm not so sure it was a joke lol

I don't doubt he's insecure here. I mean after all, Vol Twitter and some of the call in shows are brutal lol

I wasn't there so I don't know for sure, but as it was going to half time and you could hear the boo's they were showing shots of the crowd and there were plenty of people kind a laughing with smiles on our faces.

I didn't see a voracious crowd ready to throw him to the wolves.

But that's just me like I said I wasn't there.

 

[Vol$_Deep_11_9]

It's not the cameras fault

I wasn't saying it was. In all honesty I'd say worse has been said and doubt Butch is the only coach that's ever directed a comment like that towards the fans, he's been the only one I know of to get caught though. I'm not justifying him saying it, I'm saying he had every right to. That don't make it okay and I realize that.

 

[Vol$_Deep_11_9]

I wasn't there so I don't know for sure, but as it was going to half time and you could hear the boo's they were showing shots of the crowd and there were plenty of people kind a laughing with smiles on our faces.

I didn't see a voracious crowd ready to throw him to the wolves.

But that's just me like I said I wasn't there.

I didn't see the crowd shots myself at half so you could very well be right. It may have been a joke at the time and when people seen the actual footage of it they got mad and it turned into a bigger deal than it should have been.

 

[jakez4ut]

I don't think he's perfect by a long shot myself. There's things he needs to improve on no doubt. Late game decisions/clock management being a couple of them. I was as mad as anybody after the Vandy game. I hopped on the fire Butch wagon for all of a day, but in the grand scheme of things a coaching change is not something we need right now. I'm more than willing to sit and see if he makes the right adjustments to the staff. If he makes the right adjustments and we still aren't up to snuff then the problem lies at the top.

We all want the same thing. We all want to be successful. 9-4 isn't the standard here, I realize that but I do feel from where we have been since 2008 these last two seasons were a step in the right direction.

I don't think Butch is going to be the guy to get us where we need to be. I also don't think firing him right now is right either.

For a lot of various reasons that have nothing to do with how great of a coach he is, he's going to be here through 2017 So will just see what happens.

 

[pismonque]

Eh, saying "f em all" is crossing a pretty good size line.

I don't know. If I'm up 35 zip, call for a FG and get boos rained down, then I look at my players who've been busting their tails in a beatdown just to hear a chorus of boos because 3 more points just isn't good enough, maybe telling my players "F*** all them, get up, get up!" is not crossing a reasonable line.

 

[Enki_Amenra]

It's the Tennessee Vols. You can't not alienate the fanbase.

Half the fanbase alienate themselves.

 

[jakez4ut]

I didn't see the crowd shots myself at half so you could very well be right. It may have been a joke at the time and when people seen the actual footage of it they got mad and it turned into a bigger deal than it should have been.

It doesn't matter either way. You're the head coach of the program like Tennessee, you're not going to please everybody and you just have to deal with it.

The old Saying "don't let them see you sweat" rings true here, and every other big time program in the country.

 

[Vol$_Deep_11_9]

I don't think Butch is going to be the guy to get us where we need to be. I also don't think firing him right now is right either.

For a lot of various reasons that have nothing to do with how great of a coach he is, he's going to be here through 2017 So will just see what happens.

It's hard to disagree with your statement on if Butch can get us to where we need to be right now. But I 100% agree he don't need to be fired just yet. The clock has definitely started though.

 

[jakez4ut]

I don't know. If I'm up 35 zip, call for a FG and get boos rained down, then I look at my players who've been busting their tails in a beatdown just to hear a chorus of boos because 3 more points just isn't good enough, maybe telling my players "F*** all them, get up, get up!" is not crossing a reasonable line.

It says more about a coach that talks about not being emotional versus being passionate, that let his emotions get the better of him, than it does the fans.

 

[Vol$_Deep_11_9]

It doesn't matter either way. You're the head coach of the program like Tennessee, you're not going to please everybody and you just have to deal with it.

The old Saying "don't let them see you sweat" rings true here, and every other big time program in the country.

I know Butch has been coaching for a while but I think he's still learning himself how to handle expectations here and this season showed that in a lot of aspects. This incident being one of them.

 

[Dougie_D]

He wants to be here, but every time he loses he starts to doubt his coaching ability in the SEC.

Every time he wins, he tells himself my "system" is the best!

I think he had a huge learning curve and he's just now adjusting.

He knows how lucky he really is to win those games the way we did.

 

[jakez4ut]

I know Butch has been coaching for a while but I think he's still learning himself how to handle expectations here and this season showed that in a lot of aspects. This incident being one of them.

See this is where I start to have a problem. I don't necessarily have an issue with him having to learn how the SEC works, adjusting to the fan base, and the overall scope of things in the SEC.

I do have an issue with this notion that after four years here that we're still in some kind of continuing education class on coaching in the SEC and at Tennessee.

If he hasn't figured all that out by now then really what are we getting?

You start to really wonder if he's just better suited to be a coach in the M AC

 

[Vol$_Deep_11_9]

One of the biggest knocks I had on him last year at the beginning of the year and this season towards the end(weird trend IMO) is the lack of killer instinct and putting teams away. That's not on the guys, that's on coaching and play calling.

 

[jakez4ut]

He wants to be here, but every time he loses he starts to doubt his coaching ability in the SEC.

Every time he wins, he tells himself my "system" is the best!

I think he had a huge learning curve and he's just now adjusting.

He knows how lucky he really is to win those games the way we did.

Just now adjusting? Again, we're headed in to year five…

 

[pismonque]

It says more about a coach that talks about not being emotional versus being passionate, that let his emotions get the better of him, than it does the fans.

I get that, but I remember when I saw it happen, I felt like he was trying to get the team to ignore the distraction of ludicrous negativity and stay in the game, not just reacting badly out of insecurity or whatever. I always thought the bigger stupidity was the internet fanbase taking it as a personal affront and firing up the outrage machine. Seemed like much ado about nothing.

 

[Vol$_Deep_11_9]

See this is where I start to have a problem. I don't necessarily have an issue with him having to learn how the SEC works, adjusting to the fan base, and the overall scope of things in the SEC.

I do have an issue with this notion that after four years here that we're still in some kind of continuing education class on coaching in the SEC and at Tennessee.

If he hasn't figured all that out by now then really what are we getting?

You start to really wonder if he's just better suited to be a coach in the M AC

I think we find out what we need to know this year regardless of how it plays out. If we were to go say 10-2 and win the East, I think that means Butch definitely made the right hires on staff and that they really coached them up.

If it's another 8-4 season and mid tier bowl game, we know he isn't the guy to get us there.

 

[jakez4ut]

I get that, but I remember when I saw it happen, I felt like he was trying to get the team to ignore the distraction of ludicrous negativity and stay in the game, not just reacting badly out of insecurity or whatever. I always thought the bigger stupidity was the internet fanbase taking it as a personal affront and firing up the outrage machine. Seemed like much ado about nothing.

Well like I said as I was watching on TV it felt more like a joke, like the fans were supposed to boo because of the situation.

Honestly I didn't see anything to it and just kind of chuckled as it was happening. And judging by the looks on the faces I saw in the crowd, it appeared that my impression was confirmed

And let's say you're right, if my motivation tactic is to get the players to be mad at the fans, what does that really say about the one doing the motivating?

 

[jakez4ut]

I think we find out what we need to know this year regardless of how it plays out. If we were to go say 10-2 and win the East, I think that means Butch definitely made the right hires on staff and that they really coached them up.

If it's another 8-4 season and mid tier bowl game, we know he isn't the guy to get us there.

That's fair. But I'm impatient by nature, and I've already skipped to the end.😎

 

[jakez4ut]

I get that, but I remember when I saw it happen, I felt like he was trying to get the team to ignore the distraction of ludicrous negativity and stay in the game, not just reacting badly out of insecurity or whatever. I always thought the bigger stupidity was the internet fanbase taking it as a personal affront and firing up the outrage machine. Seemed like much ado about nothing.

And to me it still speaks more to the contradiction that is Butch Jones. Say one thing and do another

 

[TNnative]

I watched the game and if I remember correctly I hung out here afterwards. Hell I don't know how I missed it.

I didn't miss it, but I was almost glad he said it. Fans wanting us to go for a TD on 4th down rather than a field goal against Tech. With the number of guys we had hurt, it wasn't necessary or smart.

 

[pismonque]

Well like I said as I was watching on TV it felt more like a joke, like the fans were supposed to boo because of the situation.

Honestly I didn't see anything to it and just kind of chuckled as it was happening. And judging by the looks on the faces I saw in the crowd, it appeared that my impression was confirmed

And let's say you're right, if my motivation tactic is to get the players to be mad at the fans, what does that really say about the one doing the motivating?

I didn't think he was trying to get the players to be mad at the fans but just to ignore the boos and stay up.

EDIT: Maybe I read it a little differently because I tend to be a bit foul-mouthed myself (at least in non-professional settings) so I interpret "f*** all them" as "forget all them".

It's like if I'm putting up Christmas lights on my house and my wife thinks multi-colored lights would be better than all white lights because "people might see it as boring and monochromatic." I might say, "F*** them, let's do what we think is pretty" but I don't mean that in any negative way to other people, but rather that we should disregard what others think and do what we feel is best.

Let's call it a (foul) language barrier.

 

[Vol$_Deep_11_9]

That's fair. But I'm impatient by nature, and I've already skipped to the end.😎

Oh I'm impatient as well. I'm ready to be back to prominence/relevance for an entire season not just half of it like this year. I think we are close. Just have some things to be fixed. Hopefully they're fixed this year or this time in 2018 we are hang a much different conversation than we are right now.

 

[American_PitVol]

I'm sick of this crap...