Recruiting Forum Football Talk XXXI

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SSVol said:
Or possibly she is actually competent and wants to hire the best person for the job. Who might not be from Tennessee.

I've run a business for 25 years. Having empowered competent people working for me isn't a threat, it's a blessing.
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Would you let a major department of your business go without leadership for close to a year? Hart announced he was stepping down last spring/summer. He has been a lame duck ever since. If we don't hire an AD before then the whole AD will have been without effective leadership for almost a year. That is completely unacceptable in an organization the size and scope of the University of Tennessee Knoxville.
 
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Maxwell said:
I thought Bajakian went to the pros to coach QBs? Is it even remotely possible CBJ is talking to him about coming back to coach QBs here? Maybe he is not happy in the pros? just a thought.
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If so, he must have left on better terms than I thought. But, I don't see why he would come back when he would probably make less money than before. That's a curveball. Maybe someone got the wrong tail number of the plane.
 
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SSVol said:
Or possibly she is actually competent and wants to hire the best person for the job. Who might not be from Tennessee.

I've run a business for 25 years. Having empowered competent people working for me isn't a threat, it's a blessing.
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IMO, I don't think it's as much about Blackburn being a UT guy as it is his track record is great. He was a candidate for the job when Hart was hired and if I remember correctly he was told he need more experience. Hopefully someone with more knowledge can expand on that but I think I remember that being true.

But now if you look at it Blackburn not only was already a candidate who was well liked last time but now he is a guy that built a nice athletics program at UTC and has made good hires. I'll take that over Gilbert for the fact that Blackburn has the AD experience and great track record. Him being a UT guy is just icing on top for me.
 
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SSVol said:
Or possibly she is actually competent and wants to hire the best person for the job. Who might not be from Tennessee.

I've run a business for 25 years. Having empowered competent people working for me isn't a threat, it's a blessing.
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I don't disagree, but you have to realize that the process has to be expedited. Priority #1.
 
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glichtenwalter said:
I think we do. An AD might tell Butch that, "We are gonna go out and get a top notch current OC that fits your offense. Give me a list of candidates and lets start making calls. We can't take chances on an unproven name and we need you and the football program to be successful." Everybody needs guidance and a sounding board. Right now we have no chancellor because she is taking over officially until February. We have no AD because Hart is a lame duck and couldn't care less. That leaves a young coach with a major set of decisions that could affect his career. We need an AD to help steer these searches in the best direction for Butch and that entire football program.
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Did Hart lobby Butch to hire Shoop? Or the other way around?

You got the roles backward. The AD is the guy who is happy getting the cheapest coaches that will keep the stadium full. Butch is the guy that wants the best coaches money can buy.
 
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Outofmyvolcanmind said:
Couple things.

Butch needs to let coach Shoop hire whoever he wants. Even if that means the entire defensive staff goes. This defense has players to be successful and coach Shoop needs full authority to implement what he was hired to do.

Secondly, it is coach Jones offense and he needs to hire whoever he thinks is a good fit and will gel with his team.

If our defense returns to top 30 form and we have a similar offense to the last couple years we will win 10-11 games a year.

As for the administration, this wasn't a shock that Hart stepped down. These idiots have had 6 months to sort this out. Florida was in same position and handled with precision. The leadership on the Hill needs to get moving.

CBJ has done some things well and other things not so much. He however has not had the support or guidance from a competent leadership team at UTK. That is why he has my support. He has only shown cracks in his foundation this year. Time for someone to provide assistance with media, boosters, administrators etc. He can and will be successful with the proper support structure.

My opinions.
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I agree completely
 
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SSVol said:
Butch did well enough to set a scoring record with the pool guy. We lost games in large part because we had a DL consisting of one All American and and some figurines made of paper mâché and empty Muscle Milk bottles. Whether or not you believe Butch is a good coach, it isn't nearly as bad as it's painted.

Mark Helfrich played for the national championship. Is he a good coach? Two years later he went 4-8. What about now?

Brian Kelly played for the national championship. Is he a good coach? Four years later he went 4-8. So?

Gene Chizik won a national championship. Good coach, right? Two years later 3-9. OK.

Gus Malzahn played for the national championship the next year after Chizik went 3-9. Dude must be the awesomeness! Is down to 7-6 in two years. So how good is he really?



QB play was big in most, if not all, of those cases...maybe even bigger than the coach. The quality of Debord's game calling probably correlated very strongly to how well Dobbs did. How well Dobbs did probably correlated to how well the OL performed. So execution matters. A lot. Maybe even more than scheme or who's calling the plays. Our 3* RB made our 5* RB look bad. Did Debord suddenly figure out how to use a RB? Or might execution matter?

We hired a home run DC, who was unable to build a run stopping defense with the aforementioned Muscle Milk bottles. Clearly a loser.

Please allow Butch's OC hire to fail before assuming he will do so. I bet his hire, whoever it is, will look like a freaking genius if one of our QBs has a clue, or will look as woefully lost as our "can't miss" DC with the DB's who are apparently taught to ignore the oblong brown object. Because...you know...execution...
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Man, there are some geniuses on this board 💯. Excellent post.
 
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glichtenwalter said:
Surely she is not that stupid. VC in charge of Athletics, aka the Athletic Director, is in charge of athletics. She is their boss. The issue is that people want TN to be a top academic school and that is fine but you can still be great at athletics. A successful football team is good for the academic portion of the school! Why can't the academic folks understand that!
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You're thinking like a rational person and not a lifelong academia
 
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SSVol said:
Did Hart lobby Butch to hire Shoop? Or the other way around?

You got the roles backward. The AD is the guy who is happy getting the cheapest coaches that will keep the stadium full. Butch is the guy that wants the best coaches money can buy.
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Butch doesn't have the power to make a big money hire though IMO. If we are gonna open the checkbook someone hire up, the AD, would need to approve that hire. That may be why Butch is looking at promoting from within. He may have authority to promote and give an acceptable raise but to bring in a guy like Helfrich may be above his spending authority. That is why we need an AD. So Butch and the AD can get the best coach and make the best deal possible. We only have half of the equation right now.
 
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Vol Colonel is saying the admin doesn't want Blackburn BECAUSE he is a UT guy, that's the negative on him. Not only do I believe it, it breaks my heart. They are trying to destroy this university and the proud athletics programs. With what LAVol has said all morning and Hyams saying the search will go on into the spring--- connect the dots. Doesn't look good at all.
 
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Lovesomebigorange said:
Vol Colonel is saying the admin doesn't want Blackburn BECAUSE he is a UT guy, that's the negative on him. Not only do I believe it, it breaks my heart. They are trying to destroy this university and the proud athletics programs. With what LAVol has said all morning and Hyams saying the search will go on into the spring--- connect the dots. Doesn't look good at all.
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I hope you globalist are happy now.
 
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VolGee4 said:
I don't disagree, but you have to realize that the process has to be expedited. Priority #1.
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We believe it's a serious priority - but it's obvious the administration doesn't. Not just Davenport - the entire administration. Hart is still on the job until February and Gilbert has taken on an expanded role. They both have the approval to make any decisions necessary.
 
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Butch Jones is in Knoxville and was in his office today and was there as late as an hour ago.

On the OC front, nothing new in terms of names right now. I think based on Butch's comments last night (in our story) and in talking to people today, Larry Scott remains very much a candidate for the job.

I'm not saying that anything is a done deal at all. But he is a real candidate.

Now, let me throw another quarterback name out there. I think it's the biggest hire Jones is going to make.

Chris Weinke is a name that could be a one to watch. Weinke was at IMG Academy and has been with the Los Angeles Rams. Obviously, Weinke and Gullickson know each other.

Weinke has worked with alot of high school qb's through the years and college guys as well. I don't think that Weinke has interviewed with Jones, but I do believe he is a name to add to the watch list.
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-Hubbs
 
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glichtenwalter said:
Butch doesn't have the power to make a big money hire though IMO.
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I'm not sure that I believe this to be true. My guess his standing is better with the university than with the fans. Gilbert can easily handle the paperwork and the president can easily approve the budget.
 
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LA Vol said:
No, because her vision is at odds with what most Tennessee people want-- for the university, the state and the AD position. She wants UT to refocus its priorities, and she has always wanted a national search for AD. She doesn't want a Tennessee person in the job.
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can we fire her???
 
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I made a comment in jest a few weeks ago but now I'm making it more seriously. If we, as fans, want our voices hear by this administration then we need to call in on National sports radio, like finebaum, and sign a petition. This is literally the only way for this people to understand that they are being idiots about the AD hire.
 
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