Is Helfrich @ OC a legit discussion?

Kelly ran the offense when he was coach, not Helfrich. Kelly left him a loaded wagon of players (recruited illegally also). He routinely blew games vs STanford cause he couldn't get it done vs a "SEC-type defense" on the west coast. In the same time Butch has taken Tennessee from the pits to respectablity, Helfrich took Oregon from the penthouse to 4-8....

I just don't see 1) why the love affair with Helfrich and 2) why any school would hire him as HC if he did come here for a year after the tanked so bad at NIKE U?
 
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The offense wasn't really the problem at Oregon during his tenure. Though an argument can be made about the QB position.
 
The offense wasn't really the problem at Oregon during his tenure. Though an argument can be made about the QB position.

Can actually say the same thing about CMD and the VOLS offense the past 2 years - the O wasn't the problem outside the UA game this year.
 
Kelly ran the offense when he was coach, not Helfrich. Kelly left him a loaded wagon of players (recruited illegally also). He routinely blew games vs STanford cause he couldn't get it done vs a "SEC-type defense" on the west coast. In the same time Butch has taken Tennessee from the pits to respectablity, Helfrich took Oregon from the penthouse to 4-8....

I just don't see 1) why the love affair with Helfrich and 2) why any school would hire him as HC if he did come here for a year after the tanked so bad at NIKE U?

I think it's his association with the Oregon offense which most feel has been very prolific. Personally, I think Helfrich would be a good hire. I don't put a ton of stock in his stint as Oregon's head coach. Some guys are good coordinators and terrible head coaches. Also, I think there's an opportunity for us to make some enhancements to our current offense by blending in some of the Oregon concepts without scrapping our entire system. Just my 2 cents.
 
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Can actually say the same thing about CMD and the VOLS offense the past 2 years - the O wasn't the problem outside the UA game this year.

The offense didn't exactly kill it against APSU or Ohio either, but for the most part I agree.
 
Kelly ran the offense when he was coach, not Helfrich. Kelly left him a loaded wagon of players (recruited illegally also). He routinely blew games vs STanford cause he couldn't get it done vs a "SEC-type defense" on the west coast. In the same time Butch has taken Tennessee from the pits to respectablity, Helfrich took Oregon from the penthouse to 4-8....

I just don't see 1) why the love affair with Helfrich and 2) why any school would hire him as HC if he did come here for a year after the tanked so bad at NIKE U?
Helfrich is a good QB coach/developer and does good things with the X's and O's when he has the dudes. Your "SEC Type Defense" comment is kind of silly too. A good defense is a good defense. Not everyone in the SEC has Stanford players, and not every SEC defensive staff has Stanford coaching...

Even Oregon fans (who should hate him if he crashed their golden ship) have said that he's a great X's and O's guy and QB developer, he just doesn't have the CEO head coach thing down.

For the record, I don't think that Helfrich is the be-all-end-all of UT's perceived problems. I do think that he would be a good hire and I would be ecstatic to see him work with Guarantano.
 
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I think he would be great with our young QBs, he's great at running an offense, comes with HC experience from a top 10 program, can recruit well and will instill new excitement within the program.
 
Oregon's offense was fun to watch. They received a lot of publicity for it. I think that's why more than anything.
 
It's the way of the message board. In sure he's great, but there are surely many others that know how to coach football. People lock in on one guy who they build up on their minds as the must have. Same dynamic that's going on with the AD search.
 
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Because people think they can catch lightning in a bottle.

That program was kick started by Rich Brooks and built by Mike Belloiit to be a football power. He handed the keys to Kelly who prospered until the NCAA came calling.
Kelly tossed the keys to Helfrich on the way out the door who ran it into the ground.

Their 15 mins of fame has passed. Hopefully those god ugly unis as well. :hi:
 
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It depends on which way you want to look at it. The offense never fell off after Kelly left. Even this year, when they went 4-8, they were 15th in the nation in total offense. The program declined because of mainly defense and recruiting. Helfrich even had a couple QB's after Mariota that would have worked out if they could have stayed healthy like Vernon Adams who he only had one season to coach because he was a grad transfer.

Also, look at Helfrichs track record before Kelly.

1999 - Boise St. QB coach - His quarterback won Big West Conference Player of the year. 4th passing offense in nation.

2001 - Arizona State QB coach - His QB broke every Arizona State passing record and torched John Elways Pac-10 touchdown record.

2006-2012 - First OC job at Colorado - Took Colorado from bottom dweller offense to slightly above average. His offense wasn't nearly as dynamic as it is now but he was also the youngest OC in the country.

Also, Listen to the way his former bosses spoke about his offensive intelligence:

Kelly spoke highly of his protégé, "He's really, really smart and has great people skills. Sometimes, smart people can't get their point across, but he's a great communicator. When I hire people, I want to hire very, very smart people. I wanted somebody who came from a different system. I didn't want a yes-man. I wanted someone who would bring new ideas to our system."

Dirk Koetter would later praise Helfrich for his coaching abilities, "He can do it all in his head. He doesn't have to draw the pictures on the board (…) not many people can do that. He sees the game through the quarterback's eyes. We all have ideas, but if your quarterback can't execute those ideas, they are lines on a paper. Mark is as smart a football guy as I know."

This is why I want Helfrich. If you look closer and listen to people talk about his football intelligence, he is a home run hire.
 
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On twtter John Brice just tweeted the 247 board link but it's VIP. He said Butch is meeting with somebody today. Anybody VIP that can elaborate?
 
Kelly spoke highly of his protégé, "He's really, really smart and has great people skills. Sometimes, smart people can't get their point across, but he's a great communicator. When I hire people, I want to hire very, very smart people. I wanted somebody who came from a different system. I didn't want a yes-man. I wanted someone who would bring new ideas to our system."

And THAT is one of the reasons Kelly was successful.
 
I agree. I think he will be here 2 more years at the least thanx to his contract extension. It runs til 2020. I don't see UT buying him out with more than 2 years left. The only way he leaves sooner is if he finds another job and his stock is plummeting more each game that is played. The only thing he can hang his hat on is beating Florida and that is nullified by losing to SC and Vandy.

Everyone knows CBJ is coming into somewhat of a rebuilding yr with a new QB, etc so he's safe for 17 &18. I know many want to claim 'I know he's gone if.." but Tennessee ISNT going to pay him for 3 yrs NOT to coach. Get over it. Plus, the high rollers know he took over a **** pile of a program even though many of our fans don't think so, he's turned it around, cleaned it up significantly while becoming competitive again. When he leaves, we'll know for sure if he can or cant coach here
 
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On twtter John Brice just tweeted the 247 board link but it's VIP. He said Butch is meeting with somebody today. Anybody VIP that can elaborate?

From another thread:

"Per John Brice Butch is in Tampa meeting with Mike Bajakian today."
 
Everyone knows CBJ is coming into somewhat of a rebuilding yr with a new QB, etc so he's safe for 17 &18. I know many want to claim 'I know he's gone if.." but Tennessee ISNT going to pay him for 3 yrs NOT to coach. Get over it. Plus, the high rollers know he took over a **** pile of a program even though many of our fans don't think so, he's turned it around, cleaned it up significantly while becoming competitive again. When he leaves, we'll know for sure if he can or cant coach here

Rebuilding year? Times are different now. QB transfers can come to a team and win championships. Freshman QBs are beating out seniors and winning.

There is no "rebuild" in college anymore.
 
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Rebuilding year? Times are different now. QB transfers can come to a team and win championships. Freshman QBs are beating out seniors and winning.

There is no "rebuild" in college anymore.

Not at programs that care.
 
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