Recruiting Forum Football Talk XXXI

[scvolfan7]

Matt Miller also said he hasn't watched Dobbs at all this season and that scouts like Dobbs more than he does. I wouldn't read too much into this. Its just one man's opinion.

Dobbs will go in the 2nd to 3rd round after he kills it at the senior bowl and combine.

I personally hope he gets drafted by the Arizona Cardinals. Bruce Arians is a great coach. Arizona needs a QB with Carson Palmer getting old. And they have alot of talent on the team.

I could see Dobbs having success like Dak Prescott if he landed on a team like the Cardinals.

Dobbs with Arians has the potential to be a lethal combination

 

[NMVol]

In Nashville

Yeah, so. You said Jones was losing support. Facts don't bear it out except among nega-Jones mutual appreciation. I suspect you're globalizing your issues and letting fake news mold your perception.

 

[gunner]

IMO, he still needs to play with more agression. Half the time, he looks like he doesn't care about being out there and doesn't play through the whistle. When he's playing hard, he shows he has the potential to be really good.



I agree on Phillips. But to me, Kongbo looks better at tackle. He doesn't play with the pad level of a DE. But he has good stregth and keeps his head up to play DT really well. And with his quickness, he can create a big mismatch. I hope he sticks inside primarily.

If Kongbo can learn to play much lower, he will be a beast imho.

 

[JCP201]

Matt Miller also said he hasn't watched Dobbs at all this season and that scouts like Dobbs more than he does. I wouldn't read too much into this. Its just one man's opinion.

Dobbs will go in the 2nd to 3rd round after he kills it at the senior bowl and combine.

I personally hope he gets drafted by the Arizona Cardinals. Bruce Arians is a great coach. Arizona needs a QB with Carson Palmer getting old. And they have alot of talent on the team.

I could see Dobbs having success like Dak Prescott if he landed on a team like the Cardinals.

I hope you are right. Dobbs is one of my all time favorites.

 

[Bassmaster_Vol]

I hate to say it, but if we're going to keep up with GA, Butch needs to kill it in recruiting in 2018. He has to rebuild the wall around the state and keep those top guys in. Kirby may be a mediocre coach but he is killing it in recruiting, probably better than Richt ever did. He is recruiting at a Bama level.

 

[Darth_Shiveman]

I think it matters though. You had people swearing Nissan would be 50% full.

I won't argue that Jones hasn't burned a good deal of equity. He has. I still think he's fairly strongly supported, though.

At this point, I think it's more that the vocal minority is so loud and shrill it leads to the impression the fanbase has their pitchforks out. The #VolTwitter clods (Hughes, Reed, Coonskin Cap, Kress, et al) help support that feeling, as do some of the more angry posters here.

If I had to guess, the majority of people want to see lessons learned and staff improvements rather than an all out change.

I guess I didn't wore what I meant well.

I think you're right about most people wanting to see staff upgrades and self improvement from this staff.


But I also think a majority of fans are frankly tired of Butch's demeanor in front of the media and/or on the field. And I think it's arguable whether or not he's gotten much of a feel for our fanbases expectations or what they want to see and hear from a head coach.

As far as cultural fits go, I don't think he's an ideal fit in Knoxville the way a guy like say, Dabo is in Clemson. That doesn't mean he can't be successful, but it does make things at least a bit more difficult for him, especially when things go wrong.

 

[Aesius]

I hate to say it, but if we're going to keep up with GA, Butch needs to kill it in recruiting in 2018. He has to rebuild the wall around the state and keep those top guys in. Kirby may be a mediocre coach but he is killing it in recruiting, probably better than Richt ever did. He is recruiting at a Bama level.

Gotta upgrade the staff. I think Helfrich and Hoke would make a big impact on the recruiting trail if Butch can land both. Load up the staff with former head coaches.

 

[drvenner]

Who y'all got today?

This is who I want to win, not who I think will win:

I am pulling for Western Michigan over Wisconsin, Iowa over UF (duh), USC over PSU and Auburn over Oklahoma (because Mixon and Stoops).

 

[jave36]

I hate to say it, but if we're going to keep up with GA, Butch needs to kill it in recruiting in 2018. He has to rebuild the wall around the state and keep those top guys in. Kirby may be a mediocre coach but he is killing it in recruiting, probably better than Richt ever did. He is recruiting at a Bama level.

Butch had his mega recruiting year when he first got here too. It's easy when you're new. One more 7 win season and it'll fall off just like butch did

 

[NMVol]

Egads. Our coach has demeanor issues? What is it? Is he hopeful? Does he scowl? Does he throw players under the bus? Does he go off script? Is his talk cord busted? Does he withhold critical information from our opponents? Has he gone off topic? Perhaps he is not sufficiently self-deprecating?

This sounds bad.

 

[BJHSVol]

Who y'all got today?

This is who I want to win, not who I think will win:

I am pulling for Western Michigan over Wisconsin, Iowa over UF (duh), USC over PSU and Auburn over Oklahoma (because Mixon and Stoops).

I'm pulling for the same teams, but I think Wisconsin and UF end up winning

 

[Vols4us]

Gotta upgrade the staff. I think Helfrich and Hoke would make a big impact on the recruiting trail if Butch can land both. Load up the staff with former head coaches.

If he thinks he can bandaid it, we will be waving goodbye this time next year. Go big or go home. He needs to get back to winning at recruiting and he's a great salesman. He just needs a new sales pitch. The team underachieved this last season and the world knows it. That makes his seat hot in the minds of some recruits where he likes it to be known or not. He can only use the injury thing for so long. It needs to be high profile staff upgrades that can bring some quality players and give them a recruiting energy boost IMO.

 

[Darth_Shiveman]

Yeah, so. You said Jones was losing support. Facts don't bear it out except among nega-Jones mutual appreciation. I suspect you're globalizing your issues and letting fake news mold your perception.

The fact that there were multiple people within the athletic department willing to talk $#!+ about him to Travis Haney, along with the smoke about Butch being on the hot seat, donors like LWS saying they don't believe he'll ever take the next step, and fans on message boards and/ or calling into radio stations saying we should fire Butch for (insert unlikely or impossible HC candidate here) is indicative of him losing support.


Calling anything negative you see about Butch may give you the warm fuzzies, but it's not a realistic way to look at things.


We could have fired the whole staff and installed a GA as interim HC and still sold out the Music City Bowl. Fan turnout for that game is not indicative of support for the staff.

If Nebraska had somehow taken and early and/or sizeable lead, that crowd would have gotten ugly real fast.

 

[Vols4us]

Who y'all got today?

This is who I want to win, not who I think will win:

I am pulling for Western Michigan over Wisconsin, Iowa over UF (duh), USC over PSU and Auburn over Oklahoma (because Mixon and Stoops).

Like the way you think. Hope it happens, doubt it will.

 

[Bassmaster_Vol]

Gotta upgrade the staff. I think Helfrich and Hoke would make a big impact on the recruiting trail if Butch can land both. Load up the staff with former head coaches.

I agree. Hoping this happens

 

[Bassmaster_Vol]

Butch had his mega recruiting year when he first got here too. It's easy when you're new. One more 7 win season and it'll fall off just like butch did

I hope you're right. It's just easier for Smart because he is in GA.

 

[chavisut]

Confident UF and USC win.


G5 teams are hard to predict in these bowls.

 

[franklinpence]

I guess I didn't wore what I meant well.

I think you're right about most people wanting to see staff upgrades and self improvement from this staff.


But I also think a majority of fans are frankly tired of Butch's demeanor in front of the media and/or on the field. And I think it's arguable whether or not he's gotten much of a feel for our fanbases expectations or what they want to see and hear from a head coach.

As far as cultural fits go, I don't think he's an ideal fit in Knoxville the way a guy like say, Dabo is in Clemson. That doesn't mean he can't be successful, but it does make things at least a bit more difficult for him, especially when things go wrong.

Gosh...if only Dooley had stuck around. I mean, he said "britches". What a perfect fit culturally. Nevermind the fact that he couldn't coach. We need a cultural fit.

Yeah....no thanks. Butch cares about his players and wants to win. I don't care how he interacts with the media.

 

[NMVol]

The fact that there were multiple people within the athletic department willing to talk $#!+ about him to Travis Haney, along with the smoke about Butch being on the hot seat, donors like LWS saying they don't believe he'll ever take the next step, and fans on message boards and/ or calling into radio stations saying we should fire Butch for (insert unlikely or impossible HC candidate here) is indicative of him losing support.


Calling anything negative you see about Butch may give you the warm fuzzies, but it's not a realistic way to look at things.


We could have fired the whole staff and installed a GA as interim HC and still sold out the Music City Bowl. Fan turnout for that game is not indicative of support for the staff.

If Nebraska had somehow taken and early and/or sizeable lead, that crowd would have gotten ugly real fast.

Self-proving much? I'm gonna let it go, but what you are saying should be challenged. Yes there was a fall off of trajectory this year to a flat line. Maybe there is a place for harping but Butch will be back. He is a representative of the team and he has not failed miserably. Part of succeeding in this college football game is challenging instances of negative perception.

I get it. A foundation has been lain if he falls off next year. I for one am not terribly impressed with the media environment. I sort of wear it as a badge of honor that I don't buy in, but I'm not selling in the Knoxville market.

Edit: And negative speculation is well, cheap.

 

[McGeesPub]

I hate to say it, but if we're going to keep up with GA, Butch needs to kill it in recruiting in 2018. He has to rebuild the wall around the state and keep those top guys in. Kirby may be a mediocre coach but he is killing it in recruiting, probably better than Richt ever did. He is recruiting at a Bama level.

Hate it or not, it's absolutely true.

 

[Darth_Shiveman]

Butch had his mega recruiting year when he first got here too. It's easy when you're new. One more 7 win season and it'll fall off just like butch did

Yeah, but UGA had highly rated classes those years too.

It's just too easy for them to recruit there AND they've got the newness factor AND their coach has more to sell than Butch had at this point in his tenure. No matter how badly he does, he'll always be able to sell the kids he put in the NFL and the championships he won under Saban at Bama (though it is very debatable whether he deserves much credit for that or not).

I'm not sold on Smart as a coach, but I don't see recruiting falling off for them too badly unless he absolutely, horrendously bombs next season.

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

Well considering the standards most around here have for a "home run hire," you're probably right.

But I think Blackburn could make a very good hire who is a good fit at Tennessee. And fits are really important.

The longer Butch has been the coach here, the more I've felt like culturally, he isn't the best fit in Knoxville. I don't mean that as a knock on Butch so much as just an observation of how much more quickly he seems to be losing the support around him than Dooley did even though he's obviously far, far superior to Dooley in everything except press conferences.

I really don't think it's a cultural problem. I think it is just a super frustrated, impatient fan base developing a lynch mob mentality due to unrealized expectations. We don't want legitimate reasons, or flimsy excuses..we just want to win, and stop being the butt of jokes. When you have a Coach who
really pushes the power of positive thinking cliche machine..it is a recipe for disaster. I hope for all our sake that Butch exceeds expectations, but the idiot fringe is pushing the expectations for next season into an almost impossible quest range. IMO they are doing this so they can frame the narrative, and push the Fahr Butch agenda. I don't understand why people can not have their doubts, I surely do, and still be supportive. The lynch mob mentality is purely destructive. I feel like I get criticized harshly by both sides because I am neither uber positive, nor am I fanatically negative. The idiot fringe on both sides get on my last nerve.

 

[NMVol]

I really don't think it's a cultural problem. I think it is just a super frustrated, impatient fan base developing a lynch mob mentality due to unrealized expectations. We don't want legitimate reasons, or flimsy excuses..we just want to win, and stop being the butt of jokes. When you have a Coach who
really pushes the power of positive thinking cliche machine..it is a recipe for disaster. I hope for all our sake that Butch exceeds expectations, but the idiot fringe is pushing the expectations for next season into an almost impossible quest range. IMO they are doing this so they can frame the narrative, and push the Fahr Butch agenda. I don't understand why people can not have their doubts, I surely do, and still be supportive. The lynch mob mentality is purely destructive. I feel like I get criticized harshly by both sides because I am neither uber positive, nor am I fanatically negative. The idiot fringe on both sides get on my last nerve.

The idiot fringe is OK. It's the lunatic fringe that I find challenging.

 

[LynxVol]

I think Dobbs is worth a draft pick. Rounds 5-7 wouldn't surprise me. He has the tools, IMO. He doesn't have a Stafford-type arm, but it's plenty good. His accuracy and decision-making is what hurts him (going through progressions). Both issues are workable.

 

[Darth_Shiveman]

Gosh...if only Dooley had stuck around. I mean, he said "britches". What a perfect fit culturally. Nevermind the fact that he couldn't coach. We need a cultural fit.

Yeah....no thanks. Butch cares about his players and wants to win. I don't care how he interacts with the media.

I never said anything about us needing Dooley back or a coach like Dooley. Your first paragraph is a silly straw man argument.


But I do think he was a better cultural fit in a lot of ways than Butch. Problem was, that was literally the only thing he had going for him. Like at all. Guy was a terrible coach.


But a coach being a good cultural fit at a school can buy them more time and patience with fans, media, recruits, etc. Dooley had some people fighting tooth and nail for right up to the end even though he was arguable the worst SEC coach in the modern era.

Butch went 8-4 this year and a lot of people who were full Butch last year are saying things like "well, he deserves another year to try and turn things around I guess."