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Ron Swanson said:
And ruin the regular season? No thanks. I'd rather they went back to no playoffs. Further expansion will make the regular season games we love so much become meaningless. And then we're college basketball, just waiting for March. Would be awful.
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How is striving to get into the top 8 during regular season going to make the regular season meaningless? Is the NFL regular season meaningless?
 
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jave36 said:
How is striving to get into the top 8 during regular season going to make the regular season meaningless? Is the NFL regular season meaningless?
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It's a slippery slope. Starts with 4 but that's not good enough we need 8. 8 won't be good enough either we'll need 16 and so on...just like CBB.

EVERY SINGLE REGULAR SEASON GAME MATTERS IN CFB. EVERY SINGLE WEEKEND IS MUST WATCH TV. You want that to go away? I don't. And it will if the playoffs expand no doubt about it. It's already happening to an extent.
 
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JacketVol said:
Totally agree. Said something like this to some friends who thought it was absurd. College football is beginning to lose what made it great.
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You morans have lost your minds! The playoffs have made everything about college football better. Instead of a bunch of voters picking the championship game, we at least get some semblance of competition deciding it.
 
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Ron Swanson said:
It's a slippery slope. Starts with 4 but that's not good enough we need 8. 8 won't be good enough either we'll need 16 and so on...just like CBB.

EVERY SINGLE REGULAR SEASON GAME MATTERS IN CFB. EVERY SINGLE WEEKEND IS MUST WATCH TV. You want that to go away? I don't. And it will if the playoffs expand no doubt about it. It's already happening to an extent.
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That's a different argument than 8 teams will ruin it. I agree that you can have too many, but 8 is perfect. I don't think anyone says the NFL regular season isn't worth watching because they use a playoff system.
 
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Todd McShay's 2017 NFL Mock Draft 1.0

ESPN NFL draft analyst Todd McShay has released his initial 2017 first round mock draft (ESPN Insider), and he has Tennessee star Derek Barnett coming off the board very early - at No. 12 overall to the Cincinnati Bengals.
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Barnett's production was outstanding in his first two seasons at Tennessee, but he has taken it to another level in 2016 with an SEC-leading 12.0 sacks. He has good size (6-3, 265) and agility and a consistent motor. The Bengals need more speed at defensive end and linebacker.
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jave36 said:
You morans have lost your minds! The playoffs have made everything about college football better. Instead of a bunch of voters picking the championship game, we at least get some semblance of competition deciding it.
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Well, we had that with the BCS as well. The only difference is the selection process for 2 vs. 4.

I feel that the current scenario is the best one. It guards against those years like 2004 with Auburn/USC, but doesn't give too much room for someone with a couple of losses playing their way to a title.

I sincerely hope there is no further expansion, but if there is, take it to six, and never more.
 
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McGeesPub said:
Well, we had that with the BCS as well. The only difference is the selection process for 2 vs. 4.

I feel that the current scenario is the best one. It guards against those years like 2004 with Auburn/USC, but doesn't give too much room for someone with a couple of losses playing their way to a title.

I sincerely hope there is no further expansion, but if there is, take it to six, and never more.
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I think 8 is the magic number, but anything is better than just 2. Why not have more games of the top teams playing each other? We get so few during the regular season.

And I like the idea of someone with a couple losses having a chance at redemption. Means those with tough schedules can still have a shot. As it is now, regardless of what the committee says, wins mean more than SOS
 
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jave36 said:
I don't think anyone says the NFL regular season isn't worth watching because they use a playoff system.
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NFL viewer ratings are significantly down due to a number of reasons, one of which is the number of teams that make the playoff. I agree an 8 team playoff is the optimal number though it would give the playoff teams minimal break between regular season and playoffs (if ut still ended the first week of January).
 
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Volator said:
NFL viewer ratings are significantly down due to a number of reasons, one of which is the number of teams that make the playoff. I agree an 8 team playoff is the optimal number though it would give the playoff teams minimal break between regular season and playoffs (if ut still ended the first week of January).
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NFL had record ratings with expanded playoffs, that's a non factor in the bad ratings this year.
 
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jave36 said:
How is striving to get into the top 8 during regular season going to make the regular season meaningless? Is the NFL regular season meaningless?
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Well used to, if you lost one regular season game you were pretty much done. With the playoff now you can afford to lose a game and still get in. So, it does diminish the importance of the regular season. I think it is minimal at the moment but if you expand the the playoffs, it will diminish significantly more IMO.
 
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Volator said:
NFL viewer ratings are significantly down due to a number of reasons, one of which is the number of teams that make the playoff. I agree an 8 team playoff is the optimal number though it would give the playoff teams minimal break between regular season and playoffs (if ut still ended the first week of January).
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I just don't see the value of adding teams with the profile of an Oklahoma or Wisconsin this year to the title discussion. Plus I think we can all agree that a team like Alabama deserves to be in the playoff (unfortunately). Why make them play an extra game, risk injury to a key player or two, and probably ultimately win against a team that shouldn't even be there.

If UT is ever in Bamas situation, I know I won't be happy to see them have to win the extra game.
 
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Volator said:
NFL viewer ratings are significantly down due to a number of reasons, one of which is the number of teams that make the playoff. I agree an 8 team playoff is the optimal number though it would give the playoff teams minimal break between regular season and playoffs (if ut still ended the first week of January).
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Disagree with viewership being down because of playoffs.
 
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appstvol said:
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college coaches on the hotseat for the 2017 season

haney is really doing his part to assist in our recruiting efforts...
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2. Butch jones, tennessee
record: 29-21 in four seasons

2016 season: 8-4 (music city bowl vs. Nebraska)

2017 247sports class ranking: No. 11 (25 commits)


frustration is mounting internally and externally after a talented, experienced team fell short of an sec east title in 2016.

The volunteers dealt with injuries, sure, but so did division champ florida. For jones, or anyone else, not to acknowledge the season as a disappointment is ignoring reality. Even a win against vanderbilt would have put the vols in the sugar bowl for the first time since 1990.

Instead, tennessee is in the music city bowl. Win or lose against nebraska, 2017 is a critical year for jones - but particularly if the vols lose the bowl and slip to 8-5.

Sources have told us that jones will look to shake up the coaching staff in the new year, including an overhaul of the program’s strength and conditioning department - a fundamental liability in 2016, according to those sources.

The impending ad hire is also key to jones’ future. Sources close to tennessee expect chattanooga ad david blackburn to be the choice in the coming days. The longtime ut administrator, we’re told, is the best-case scenario for jones.

“he’ll give (jones) the best chance to succeed,” one source close to the school said of blackburn.

Really, 2017 will be as much about optics as results for jones. The vols could again go 8-4, but his future is dependent on the losses - who they were to, when and where - and the nature of them. If a young team, one that will have a new starting qb, shows promise and a chemistry that was lacking in ‘16, then jones will probably get another season. If it’s another inconsistent year marred by head-scratching no-shows, a $7.5 million buyout will be exercised and tennessee will again be on the hunt for a coach.

If there is a move, mississippi state’s dan mullen, north carolina’s larry fedora and colorado’s mike macintyre - a tennessee native - are names that have been mentioned to us by coaches and agents.
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McGeesPub said:
I just don't see the value of adding teams with the profile of an Oklahoma or Wisconsin this year to the title discussion. Plus I think we can all agree that a team like Alabama deserves to be in the playoff (unfortunately). Why make them play an extra game, risk injury to a key player or two, and probably ultimately win against a team that shouldn't even be there.

If UT is ever in Bamas situation, I know I won't be happy to see them have to win the extra game.
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What about a team like Penn State? I would say they certainly deserved to be in it. Not only did they only have 2 losses but they won their conference over Ohio State.

I would love to see a 6 team playoff. If you look at the CFP rankings this year you would have the top 4 that we already have plus Penn State and Michigan. That is a very solid top 6 for a playoff. Going to 8 teams would allow a team (Wisconsin) with 3 losses in. If you kept it at 6 instead, this would ensure that most years it would make it where if you had 3 losses you were out. This keeps the integrity of the regular season and doesn't render it meaningless.

Plus with a 6 team format you could have a "wild card" where 5 vs. 6 plays and 3 vs. 4 plays and the top 2 get a bye week. Then the next week its the top 4 teams and so on.

This would be my ideal playoff scenario.
 
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Nash_Vol97 said:
What about a team like Penn State? I would say they certainly deserved to be in it. Not only did they only have 2 losses but they won their conference over Ohio State.

I would love to see a 6 team playoff. If you look at the CFP rankings this year you would have the top 4 that we already have plus Penn State and Michigan. That is a very solid top 6 for a playoff. Going to 8 teams would allow a team (Wisconsin) with 3 losses in. If you kept it at 6 instead, this would ensure that most years it would make it where if you had 3 losses you were out. This keeps the integrity of the regular season and doesn't render it meaningless.

Plus with a 6 team format you could have a "wild card" where 5 vs. 6 plays and 3 vs. 4 plays and the top 2 get a bye week. Then the next week its the top 4 teams and so on.

This would be my ideal playoff scenario.
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I'll put it like this. I'd rather have the Penn States of the world left out in order to keep the Wisconsins of the world out of the playoff than to include both.

I think quibbling with the selection process as it stands is fair, though.

But yeah, as I said, I think six could work well.
 
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