The Problem of Whiteness

[Orangedogsrule]

We haven't done much to solve it, true, but perhaps Assad should have been more worried about keeping control over his own state instead of fueling the jihadi machine (that has now come back to bite him in the rear) to kill American soldiers during the Iraq War.

A free market inevitably fails, because very few Adam Smiths - men of high moral quality - are walking around in our midst. Most of them are simply greedy and power-seeking. A free market ultimately breeds the excesses that lead to its collapse, although I suppose you could say that about most any system.

Well, well, I totally agree on that and will add; you are correct, you can say that about any system.

It's not just free market capitalism. It is ANY political/economic system around the world. Greedy & power seeking sociopathic, conscienceless predators always find a way to game the system to get what they want; and leave thousands to drown in their wake.

This is the reason the la-la lands of true free market or socialism or communism or libertarianism, or even anarchy will never work. It's truly as you say,

"...very few Adam Smiths - men of high moral quality - are walking around in our midst..."

And this is why the Non Agression Principle (NAP) can never work. It will never work, has never and will never be invoked in any operating culture. The sharks, the pirhannas, the vultures that will pick out your eyes before you're dead. There are too many, and it's actually getting worse.

No. We can't have nice things like a free market because of them. They have to be kept in check. We will live with all the economic and environmental regulations and penalties because we need them.

 

[Vol8188]

Well, well, I totally agree on that and will add; you are correct, you can say that about any system.

It's not just free market capitalism. It is ANY political/economic system around the world. Greedy & power seeking sociopathic, conscienceless predators always find a way to game the system to get what they want; and leave thousands to drown in their wake.

This is the reason the la-la lands of true free market or socialism or communism or libertarianism, or even anarchy will never work. It's truly as you say,

"...very few Adam Smiths - men of high moral quality - are walking around in our midst..."

And this is why the Non Agression Principle (NAP) can never work. It will never work, has never and will never be invoked in any operating culture. The sharks, the pirhannas, the vultures that will pick out your eyes before you're dead. There are too many, and it's actually getting worse.

No. We can't have nice things like a free market because of them. They have to be kept in check. We will live with all the economic and environmental regulations and penalties because we need them.

Greed does not harm free markets. It drives them. Your claims that the nap doesn't work because some people are bad makes no sense. Give me an example of bad people preventing the nap from working

 

[n_huffhines]

Post #308
I understand economics well enough to know that theory and reality are worlds apart. We are not now, never have been, and never will be, purely free market (thank goodness). Also, in theory, capitalism and communism would take us to the exact same point in their purest forms. (Which will never happen) I doubt you can process through that.

I'm waiting on the answers.....scroll up a few.

Wtf? Even if that's true, their "purest forms" are unattainable...so what would you rather experience?...corrupt capitalism in the US or broken communism in the USSR?

 

[n_huffhines]

The more capitalist we become, the more libertarian we become.

And if you want a good depiction of what libertarianism in its rawest form looks like, then look at Syria. Basically, free for all anarchy.

Are you ****ting me? Syria was total **** when government had control and now they are in civil war. This is the most dishonest comparison you can possibly make.

If you want to know what libertarianism can accomplish, look at the rise of Hong Kong.

 

[volprof]

Are you ****ting me? Syria was total **** when government had control and now they are in civil war. This is the most dishonest comparison you can possibly make.

Libertarianism is only good in small doses, just like socialism. For those who advocate for a pure libertarian system, as some do on here, the fate of such a society is no different than the fate of Syria's.

Even if the government was awful, it was still better than anarchy, which is what it has now.

It's a completely legitimate comparison. I don't know how else to make this any clearer. You libertarians evidently have a much more positive view of humanity - and of the capacity for economics to placate it - than I do.

 

[n_huffhines]

Greed does not harm free markets. It drives them. Your claims that the nap doesn't work because some people are bad makes no sense. Give me an example of bad people preventing the nap from working

Greed exists, no matter the system. The beauty of the free market is that greed facilitates a lot of progress for all.

 

[n_huffhines]

Libertarianism is only good in small doses, just like socialism. For those who advocate for a pure libertarian system, as some do on here, the fate of such a society is no different than the fate of Syria's.

Even if the government was awful, it was still better than anarchy, which is what it has now.

It's a completely legitimate comparison. I don't know how else to make this any clearer. You libertarians evidently have a much more positive view of humanity - and of the capacity for economics to placate it - than I do.

No. It's not a legitimate comparison at all. It's like saying all communism looks like venezuela. We were essentially libertarian for the first 70 years of our history and we did pretty well. You have to control for culture, wealth, corruption, education, etc. This **** doesn't happen in a vacuum.

 

[luthervol]

I keep hearing this false notion that mean have to be moral for free markets to work. That's not true at all. In any system the overall morality of the people will be the same, because the people will be the same.

But yes it's the people who make it work. Because of their desires for a better life and a better future for their children. It improves both production and innovation

Something communism lacks. Why work hard? My children won't get any of it.

Everyone make sure you understand that Vol8188 will not answer direct questions about his beliefs.

So do people without children have any motivation?

Capitalism is driven by improving your own plight without regards to others. (greed)
Communism is driven by a desire to help your neighbor or community.
Neither system works, but.............
One system sounds a little more "christian" than the other. That whole "golden rule" thing.

 

[theFallGuy]

No. I have. That's the beauty of the black race. We are the original humans so everyone else comes from us. We have the features of all of humanity within us.

Just look at the San Bushmen of Namibia. They are black. They have always lived in Africa forever. They have no genes from anywhere else on earth. And yet they have East Asian features. So much so that some of them could pass as Asian if they wanted. Like the girl below on the left.

That is the BEAUTY of Africa.

wtf

 

[n_huffhines]

Everyone make sure you understand that Vol8188 will not answer direct questions about his beliefs.

So do people without children have any motivation?

Capitalism is driven by improving your own plight without regards to others. (greed)
Communism is driven by a desire to help your neighbor or community.
Neither system works, but.............
One system sounds a little more "christian" than the other. That whole "golden rule" thing.

No it's not. You're confusing intent with results. In the end, communism operates off greed, too.

There is nothing Christian about force. The US has by far the most charitable giving in the world, so there's that.

 

[Orangedogsrule]

Greed does not harm free markets. It drives them. Your claims that the nap doesn't work because some people are bad makes no sense. Give me an example of bad people preventing the nap from working

Screw you and your socratic questioning. We've been down this path. "Some people" ...
Search:

number of sociopaths in business

One of the early results is about the disproportionate number of psychopaths (let alone sociopaths) in business. There are plenty to totally screw the "Adam Smiths" of this world.

Give me an example of the NAP being officially incorporated and working anywhere in the world. Anywhere.

 

[n_huffhines]

Srew you and your socratic questioning. We've been down this path. "Some people" ...
Search:

number of sociopaths in business

One of the early results is about the disproportionate number of psychopaths (let alone sociopaths) in business. There are plenty to totally screw the "Adam Smiths" of this world.

Give me an example of the NAP being officially incorporated and working anywhere in the world. Anywhere.

Though this may be true, you don't need regulation to manage them. The market regulates itself, and if these psychopaths do commit fraud or operate off coercion, etc. we can penalize them in the courts. If we could perfectly structure pre-emptive regulations, then that would be great, but we can't. We're idiots and we love unnecessary red tape that is utilized by croney capitalists to screw you and I over.

Ask yourself this question...why do the big companies support a regulatory environment? None of them support Ron Paul, free market types. They all support regulators. :yes:

 

[luthervol]

No it's not. You're confusing intent with results. In the end, communism operates off greed, too.

There is nothing Christian about force. The US has by far the most charitable giving in the world, so there's that.

Yes it is. Read Carl Marx. Of course I'm talking about intent.

Capitalism is the least "christian" economic system. Ask the Pope.

Charitable contributions are very non-capitalistic. In fact, they are communistic - and they are great; so there's that.

 

[n_huffhines]

Yes it is. Read Carl Marx. Of course I'm talking about intent.

Capitalism is the least "christian" economic system. Ask the Pope.

Charitable contributions are very non-capitalistic. In fact, they are communistic - and they are great; so there's that.

I have read Karl Marx. Intent does not matter. Results are what matter.

I don't believe in the pope.

Communism is force. Charity is choice. There is nothing charitable about forcefully taking money from one person and giving it to another.

 

[DancingOutlaw]

Charitable contributions are very non-capitalistic. In fact, they are communistic - and they are great; so there's that.

Yes, why would you want someone deciding to freely give their own money to someone else, when you could have the state mandate it? Now THAT'S the giving spirit.

 

[luthervol]

I have read Karl Marx. Intent does not matter. Results are what matter.

I don't believe in the pope.

Communism is force. Charity is choice. There is nothing charitable about forcefully taking money from one person and giving it to another.

Charity is choosing communism over capitalism and I understand why people willingly make that choice.

 

[tumscalcium]

Charity is choosing communism over capitalism and I understand why people willingly make that choice.

You fit right in with our resident bottom-dwellers.

 

[volinbham]

Charity is choosing communism over capitalism and I understand why people willingly make that choice.

Interesting that you connect the concept of individual choice (people choosing to be charitable) to communism in which the collective makes choices for the individuals.

 

[Vol8188]

Charity is choosing communism over capitalism and I understand why people willingly make that choice.

That's called theft. Charity is giving your own money.

 

[Vol8188]

Everyone make sure you understand that Vol8188 will not answer direct questions about his beliefs.

So do people without children have any motivation?

Capitalism is driven by improving your own plight without regards to others. (greed)
Communism is driven by a desire to help your neighbor or community.
Neither system works, but.............
One system sounds a little more "christian" than the other. That whole "golden rule" thing.

Most without children make that decision so they can go after their own dreams. So they are still driven. Does everyone have drive? No. That's why everyone isn't successful

 

[Vol8188]

Yes it is. Read Carl Marx. Of course I'm talking about intent.

Capitalism is the least "christian" economic system. Ask the Pope.

Charitable contributions are very non-capitalistic. In fact, they are communistic - and they are great; so there's that.

It's the most Christian because it allows people to make their own decisions. Similar to God.

Communism is about putting a gun to your neighbors head and taking his ****. That's not very Christian.


Why do you believe capitalism is not compatible with Christian values?

 

[luthervol]

It's the most Christian because it allows people to make their own decisions. Similar to God.

Communism is about putting a gun to your neighbors head and taking his ****. That's not very Christian.


Why do you believe capitalism is not compatible with Christian values?

Why would I answer your questions when you want answer mine?
Maybe because I'm not ashamed of my answer.

It's fed by the mentality of more is better, the personal accumulation of wealth, taking care of yourself above concern of others, basically greed.

Greed is a great motivator, maybe the best in the world, but it is not a trait Christians are taught to nurture.

 

[volinbham]

Why would I answer your questions when you want answer mine?
Maybe because I'm not ashamed of my answer.

It's fed by the mentality of more is better, the personal accumulation of wealth, taking care of yourself above concern of others, basically greed.

Greed is a great motivator, maybe the best in the world, but it is not a trait Christians are taught to nurture.

I would imagine there are any number of comments in the Bible about self - reliance.

Capitalism is an enabler - one doesn't need focus on the accumulation of wealth, more is better and self before others. However it does allow someone to help others by choosing exactly how much wealth they'd like to accumulate and how much they'd like to distribute.

Communism does not allow this personal choice.

 

[n_huffhines]

Charity is choosing communism over capitalism and I understand why people willingly make that choice.

You willingly make the choice to take from me to give to others. How charitable of you.

 

[n_huffhines]

Why would I answer your questions when you want answer mine?
Maybe because I'm not ashamed of my answer.

It's fed by the mentality of more is better, the personal accumulation of wealth, taking care of yourself above concern of others, basically greed.

Greed is a great motivator, maybe the best in the world, but it is not a trait Christians are taught to nurture.

Why are you obsessed with Christianity? Who cares what Christians are taught about greed? Just because greed isn't a desirable quality in a person doesn't mean managing our greed to create the best economic results is bad.

BTW, I am not a Christian, but I know enough about the Bible to understand that he never advocated communism and his parable of the talents is a story about capitalism.