Vols trending Down (247 article)

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Doyle Hargraves said:
So,anything written or said about Jones or the program that is not 100% positive is an absolute lie and produced by someone with an obvious axe to grind?

Got it.
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Never mind.

Good to see you Doyle.
 
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Doyle Hargraves said:
I guess he spends a lot of time here on Volnation updating his list since the vandy game.
I am honored to be on that list.
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I hope he doesn't confuse his list with his chart. I can't see John Adams and Travis Haney pulling off a fake FG.
 
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Behr said:
Never mind.

Good to see you Doyle.
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Good to see you, too.
If you disagree with me go ahead and say what's on your mind. I just find it hypocritical and hilarious that some of the same people discrediting an anonymous source in this thread are totally eating up the information from another anonymous source in a separate thread. The only difference is the other one is spun positively.
 
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Doyle Hargraves said:
Good to see you, too.
If you disagree with me go ahead and say what's on your mind. I just find it hypocritical and hilarious that some of the same people discrediting an anonymous source in this thread are totally eating up the information from another anonymous source in a separate thread. The only difference is the other one is spun positively.
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Selective belief has always been popular with any particular creation theory and politics.

It's nice to see it taking hold in coach evaluations.
 
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Doyle Hargraves said:
Good to see you, too.
If you disagree with me go ahead and say what's on your mind. I just find it hypocritical and hilarious that some of the same people discrediting an anonymous source in this thread are totally eating up the information from another anonymous source in a separate thread. The only difference is the other one is spun positively.
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The interesting thing to me is that a day after they wrote a click bait negative article, they wrote a click bait positive article and they're both using unnamed sources.

Both articles are a joke to me.
 
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Butch sold UT to the now upperclassmen that they would be the two classes who return Tennessee and run this program in Butch's first two years... I think it is fair to assume that out of 25+ kids, some turned out really good and are really arrogant at the same time with entitlement issues... One kid that stands out to me is Jennings. Dude is a rare talent, but he is a hot head and pissy guy...
 
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Doyle Hargraves said:
Good to see you, too.
If you disagree with me go ahead and say what's on your mind. I just find it hypocritical and hilarious that some of the same people discrediting an anonymous source in this thread are totally eating up the information from another anonymous source in a separate thread. The only difference is the other one is spun positively.
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I wasn't really disagreeing. Just decided I was tired of repeating myself.
 
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“I had to work harder to find someone to balance it out with something positive.”- @travhaney on his UT interviews
 
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Roustabout said:
I was there, and i never said it was a random dinner. Butch was about arms length from me. He stopped in because of a relationship. I said stopped by, becuase he didn't eat or socialize. He literally stopped in, shook a few hands, spoke, and left.

We were excited and flattered, which was why I was scratching my head when Butch said he was keeping a list, referencing people he felt were critical of him.

I even videod part of the speech. Like I said, it took a turn. The relevant part was him talking about after they lost to Arkansas, he said he felt like he was losing the team, and how they rallied. I thought that was a good story, about how they bounced back. But then he starts talking about lists, and knowing "who is with him." My wife even joked about it, saying 'I wonder if you're on the list," but later commenting how it seemed paranoid and not appropriate.
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So, let me get this straight he stopped by a diner to speak, and even though he didn't know you by your own admission, decided to confide in you. Then, he informed you that he was compiling a list of all the people that were against him. Was he stopping table by table and diner by diner to compile a giant list like Santa Clause of all the people who had wronged him? I bet he also has hours of video tape that he watches to see if anyone has given him the stink eye during a football game and compiles them on the list as well with the aid of the FBI.
 
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KBVol said:
“I had to work harder to find someone to balance it out with something positive.”- @travhaney on his UT interviews
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That is just silly and untrue. I can name you several current and former players who like Jones. You do realize part of UT's recruiting process has been to stay with current players?? No one can sell the program better than current players and to suggest that he couldn't find a single current or former player who speaks positively of Jones is laughable.
 
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landscapingvol said:
So, let me get this straight he stopped by a diner to speak, and even though he didn't know you by your own admission, decided to confide in you. Then, he informed you that he was compiling a list of all the people that were against him. Was he stopping table by table and diner by diner to compile a giant list like Santa Clause of all the people who had wronged him? I bet he also has hours of video tape that he watches to see if anyone has given him the stink eye during a football game and compiles them on the list as well with the aid of the FBI.
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Are you saying Roustabout is making that up? I'm sensing a pattern here
 
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Chitlin&theDude said:
This is clearly a piece that a reputable journalist wrote from an unbiased opinion. Obviously Travis took his time and talked to numerous people. This is more or less spot on. Talk of assistant coaching changes and butch growing into the job are nonsense. If you can't do it in 4 years---- you never will.
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Of course, it took Majors six years to get to nine wins after taking over a depleted program that was probably still better than what Dooley left. And, then, assistants and coordinators never change the direction - Cutcliffe, Clawson, Sunseri, Shoop were just added or moved and didn't change anything at all.

We must be paying way too much for assistants then - just get some Jr High coaches and plug them in as assistants - that's far cheaper. Maybe everybody should take a look at this article.

The ever-expanding college football coaching staff and how Nick Saban started it all - ABC News
 
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golfballs said:
Does Travis Haney know what a trend is? Someone may need to plot the numbers 5, 7, 9, 9(?) out for him, and draw a line that connects those dots and have him explain what kind of trend he can extrapolate from that.

This is the first season he's truly fallen short of expectations since his first year at Cincinnati, and he responded by winning a conference championship the next year.

As many others in this thread have said, I also take "unnamed sources" with a grain of salt. They almost always are people with an axe to grind. That is the bigger story to me- that there are disgruntled employees trying to undermine the football coach by anonymously talking to the media.

He's going to be the coach next year no matter what groveling fans and disgruntled UTAD employees want. So while things mentioned in the article may be true, and he has an off-season to address them, and it's likely not constructive for people to be airing the dirty laundry before that happens.
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Could be that he just screwed up by overachieving last year. It could have been 5,7,8,9. Guess Butch didn't spend some time in the wonderful world of business to learn about expectations and pacing oneself.
 
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landscapingvol said:
That is just silly and untrue. I can name you several current and former players who like Jones. You do realize part of UT's recruiting process has been to stay with current players?? No one can sell the program better than current players and to suggest that he couldn't find a single current or former player who speaks positively of Jones is laughable.
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Your opinion. Haney is a UT grad and well thought of journalist. Said the inspiration for doing the story was all the stuff that happened this season that fans were discussing since the App State game....why the slow starts, undisciplined play, poor physicality, untimely exits from PWill and Hurd, suspensions due to drug use, and finally, the bad losses to two inferior teams with the team's seasons goals on the line.

Said, since he's a UT grad, got on the phone and visited with a lot of contacts he has around the program and that's what he primarily got.....mainly all negative. Even said there was still some more harsh comments and criticisms that he didn't go with. Said he collected all the quotes, comments, information and shared/cross-referenced with others who cover the team at 24/7.

Everyone can certainly come to his or her own thoughts and conclusions. For me, he sounded awfully credible and, quite honestly, given what we saw from the team/program, it sure seemed to match up, especially the information regarding Jones' falling out with Lawson and what we subsequently saw on the field....if one was wondering how App State could physically dominate Tennessee at the line scrimmage, that would go a long way towards explaining it.

Bottom line, you don't believe him, no worries. For me, this is more a case of "where there's smoke there's fire"....we saw the smoke all year long...Haney is just verifying the fire IMO.
 
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Orange_Vol1321 said:
Well the writing is on the wall as the NCAA hatchet is about to fall on them. How bad will it be, no telling with the NCAA.
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Not that anybody might connect the Ole Miss fall to a program trying a bit too hard to compete in a conference with the likes of AL, and a coach attempting to do all he could (literally) to keep his job. It's possibly the minority position, but winning fewer games while building a program more slowly but legally beats sanctions and possibly vacated wins any day.
 
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Orange_Vol1321 said:
The interesting thing to me is that a day after they wrote a click bait negative article, they wrote a click bait positive article and they're both using unnamed sources.

Both articles are a joke to me.
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Was today's article really a positive? It quoted ONE booster. The booster did not refute anything that was said in the previous article. "The verdict is still out" and "next year is his time to either show he has the leadership or not" is almost consistent with the previous article that essentially questioned his leadership abilities of the 2015 team.
 
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