Vols trending Down (247 article)

[Rgntddybrvol91]

You need to listen to and read some of his other comments as well. He was complimentary of Jones as well.

I read a couple of ESPN interviews....

Links??

 

[Wylo]

I should have worded better because I actually agree that this year is a decline from last year. If 2017 is the same or worse, then that is when I would begin to use the word "trend". I just need more than 1 year of decline or stagnation to call it a trend

Fair enough. But I see the trend being the choke jobs last year, carried over to the sloppy play and horrible games vs. Vandy and USC. I feel that those are trends. So 2 years in a row, there is unfinished business by the coach.

But, again, my views are slanted toward the "Butch sucks at coaching" side. I'll freely admit that.

I hope you guys are right. I really do. I just don't see it..

 

[Skizer41]

So we land the #1 recruit in the Nation and then this comes out...

I totally agree. The tone of the article almost sounds like someone has an axe to grind. My two guesses are a big booster that wanted CBJ gone and didn't get their way or Hurd/Hurd apologist. Hurd is admittedly more of a conspiracy theory but with the bashing of Kamara in the article it didn't seem like too far of a stretch.

 

[ericpVOL4LIFE]

trends are stupid !

 

[Skizer41]

I've read the Haney article twice now, and there are several things that come to mind. Most of the things from the article have been discussed here on VN. Not a lot of surprises there. Compiling them into an indictment of CBJ is a bit much at this point. The article was a clear hatchet job on CBJ, feeding those still reeling from the Vandy loss. Haney wrote the article in such a way to feed our frustrations. Not sure why he felt the need to do that, nor what agenda he has. This raises my suspicions about 247. Also I was intrigued by the timing of the article. Coming just a day after the Smith commitment certainly raises red flags. Almost everyone rates Smith as the #1 prospect in the 2017 class except 247 who has him at #4. Also they have him as the #3 OT. Did Haney think he could influence Smith to change his mind and go elsewhere??? Or did he just want to taint Smith's decision as bad.

There's just too much surrounding this article that doesn't pass the test of objective journalism. Very suspicious.

This time 1000! I also wonder if it was released today in order to swing back to negative press after the positive press from yesterday.

No better way to make the sky seem like it's falling then to make it start falling again after it potentially stopped or at least slowed down.

 

[BeecherVol]

I totally agree. The tone of the article almost sounds like someone has an axe to grind. My two guesses are a big booster that wanted CBJ gone and didn't get their way or Hurd/Hurd apologist. Hurd is admittedly more of a conspiracy theory but with the bashing of Kamara in the article it didn't seem like too far of a stretch.

Jones doesn't believe in Santa Claus.

 

[BowlBrother85]

"I'm not saying Haney likes to kill puppies, I'm just saying that he COULD be killing puppies daily and we can't verify that he doesn't."

and the flip side to that coin...

Haney could be quoting an unnamed source that Butch Jones is basically unpopular with his players and we would have no way to verify that anyone actually said that... He very well could be making it up. Of course, he could also just be courting comments from players who say what he wants to hear but who will only go on the record anonymously. He clearly did not actively seek current players who would dispute that sentiment. Either way, his agenda was clear.

 

[solivols]

You sir sound like a selfish, self centered little brat! "Look what they did to my season" boohoo you went into this season with high expectations because you saw what CBJ had done for the program the last 3 years. Or did you go into it saying "he'll blow it in the playoffs, he will" (Major League)

I wouldn't exactly call beating South Carolina after a bye or beating vandy "high expectations."

 

[BeecherVol]

and the flip side to that coin...

Haney could be quoting an unnamed source that Butch Jones is basically unpopular with his players and we would have no way to verify that anyone actually said that... He very well could be making it up. Of course, he could also just be courting comments from players who say what he wants to hear but who will only go on the record anonymously. He clearly did not actively seek current players who would dispute that sentiment. Either way, his agenda was clear.

What is his agenda if he and his sources are correct?

 

[25801VOL]

Very troubling article. Self confidence or lack there of is a problem that's not going to work itself out. Man this isn't good.

 

[NEVolFan]

Then we should start winning more games.

Yeah but... winning more games does not lead to championships...


... wait what?

 

[BowlBrother85]

What is his agenda if he and his sources are correct?

This really misses the point... His agenda was a hit piece. He did not seek the opinions of players who had positive experiences at Tennessee such as Josh Dobbs, Cam Sutton, Alvin Kamara and Derek Barnett because he knew that they would likely give positive comments about Butch Jones and be willing to attach their names to those opinions. That's not what he wanted. He wanted to tell a one sided narrative. You should always be leery of an article which mostly just cites unnamed sources. It's probably telling an oversimplified and unfair story.

 

[volfan102455]

This really misses the point... His agenda was a hit piece. He did not seek the opinions of players who had positive experiences at Tennessee such as Josh Dobbs, Cam Sutton, Alvin Kamara and Derek Barnett because he knew that they would likely give positive comments about Butch Jones and be willing to attach their names to those opinions. That's not what he wanted. He wanted to tell a one sided narrative. You should always be leery of an article which mostly just cites unnamed sources. It's probably telling an oversimplified and unfair story.

And 2 of those players you named were left out of the ones who truly were leaders "per the unnamed sources".

 

[SaintLouisVol]

This really misses the point... His agenda was a hit piece. He did not seek the opinions of players who had positive experiences at Tennessee such as Josh Dobbs, Cam Sutton, Alvin Kamara and Derek Barnett because he knew that they would likely give positive comments about Butch Jones and be willing to attach their names to those opinions. That's not what he wanted. He wanted to tell a one sided narrative. You should always be leery of an article which mostly just cites unnamed sources. It's probably telling an oversimplified and unfair story.

Active players may not speak to the media without CBJ's permission. A creditable source here at VN stated the CBJ himself was asked to comment and seemingly chose not to.

What was the motivation of the writer to discredit Jones?

 

[Skizer41]

Another question is did he give CBJ an opportunity to speak about these issues? I think fair journalism is to bring both sides together in an article. I know Hart declined comment but I wonder if CBJ was approached.

 

[AM64]

Tell me, other than rumors on this board - what "sure winner" coach after Fulmer was fired said "pay me X and I'll be your coach"? There was not one.

I don't think anyone here would really know unless there's a sleeper who was actually part of the search and hire effort. I certainly don't know, but I've read post after post that UT was too cheap, that UT wouldn't allow coach X to bring his staff, that coach Y turned UT down saying he was satisfied where he was and went elsewhere the next year, the Bigfoot sightings around Knoxville meant an imminent celebrity hire, and can't forget the infamous tail number trackers.

The particular statement you are quoting was really sarcasm, so I think I missed making my point; you and I are really very much in agreement when the words don't get in the way.

 

[BowlBrother85]

Active players may not speak to the media without CBJ's permission. A creditable source here at VN stated the CBJ himself was asked to comment and seemingly chose not to.

What was the motivation of the writer to discredit Jones?

Nor should he.

It is unfair to expect someone to comment on attacks made against them by people who are unwilling to attach their names to their comments.

 

[BeecherVol]

This really misses the point... His agenda was a hit piece. He did not seek the opinions of players who had positive experiences at Tennessee such as Josh Dobbs, Cam Sutton, Alvin Kamara and Derek Barnett because he knew that they would likely give positive comments about Butch Jones and be willing to attach their names to those opinions. That's not what he wanted. He wanted to tell a one sided narrative. You should always be leery of an article which mostly just cites unnamed sources. It's probably telling an oversimplified and unfair story.

It hurt a bunch of feelings. That doesn't mean it's false.

He could have found some positive comments Im sure. Does that mean that those giving ones you don't like are wrong.

I am curious, do you believe he went with this content and title without it being run by the Ath Dept?

And if so. Was UTs defense in the office that day?

 

[BowlBrother85]

Active players may not speak to the media without CBJ's permission. A creditable source here at VN stated the CBJ himself was asked to comment and seemingly chose not to.

What was the motivation of the writer to discredit Jones?

And Butch Jones would have given Dobbs permission to speak to him. He clearly and justifiably trusts him. We have never had a better role model for our program. Haney did not want to hear the opinion of Josh Dobbs. He wanted negativity.

 

[vol66]

Nor should he.

It is unfair to expect someone to comment on attacks made against them by people who are unwilling to attach their names to their comments.

That's one way to look at it, certainly.

 

[BeecherVol]

And Butch Jones would have given Dobbs permission to speak to him. He clearly and justifiably trusts him. We have never had a better role model for our program. Haney did not want to hear the opinion of Josh Dobbs. He wanted negativity.

I agree with Dobbs he handled the Vandy postgame presser extremely well.

 

[BowlBrother85]

It hurt a bunch of feelings. That doesn't mean it's false.

He could have found some positive comments Im sure. Does that mean that those giving ones you don't like are wrong.

I am curious, do you believe he went with this content and title without it being run by the Ath Dept?

And if so. Was UTs defense in the office that day?

No. It just means that Haney's article was very one sided and as such it suggests an agenda.

 

[volfan102455]

I don't think anyone here would really know unless there's a sleeper who was actually part of the search and hire effort. I certainly don't know, but I've read post after post that UT was too cheap, that UT wouldn't allow coach X to bring his staff, that coach Y turned UT down saying he was satisfied where he was and went elsewhere the next year, the Bigfoot sightings around Knoxville meant an imminent celebrity hire, and can't forget the infamous tail number trackers.

The particular statement you are quoting was really sarcasm, so I think I missed making my point; you and I are really very much in agreement when the words don't get in the way.

I didn't read the sarcasm. Sorry.

Some folks on here and in social media to amaze me - tracking planes, expecting to know where their coach is 24 by 7, etc.

 

[volfan102455]

Nor should he.

It is unfair to expect someone to comment on attacks made against them by people who are unwilling to attach their names to their comments.

This is true. And not sure of the terms of employment at UT but if these 'unnamed sources' are truly employed by UT - similar activity at the place where I work is grounds for termination. You absolutely don't talk to anyone in the media about the job someone else is doing or not doing.

 

[BeecherVol]

No. It just means that Haney's article was very one sided and as such it suggests an agenda.

So we just needed some milk to get that turd samich taste to taste less turdy.