Vols trending Down (247 article)

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It's possible without the injuries we are in the college football playoff. It's a shame at the end of the day that the devastating injuries are not even considered a factor in analyzing and "grading" the team or Butch's job...BUT...it's the way it is in big time college football. Nobody gives two s##ts about the injuries. That being said...there are many ways Butch handled this in the wrong way. This "champions of life" thing was weak in this big world of college football. It's great if you're at Austin Peay...but not for a program who has half it's games aired on network national TV..and the other half on a major sports network.

The way the injuries exposed the weakness in depth...which goes to recruiting....also reflects negatively on Butch...I'm just saying without the all those devastating injuries we probably aren't seeing an article like this...BUT an adverse occurrence like that was not handled right...and it exposed a recruiting weakness.
 
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JohnMcA60 said:
Mahoney, Martinez, Thigpen and Azzani?
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Bingo. That's where I would start. Just think of the issues on both sides of the ball. Attention to detail and lack of good technique is evident in all of these positions.

Thig benefited early on from freak athletes as starters such as A.J. or JRM, and once the athleticism wasn't there due to injuries, serious technique issues became glaringly apparent at LB. I would hate to lose Thig because of his recruiting prowess, but dang.

I kind of feel the same about Azzani, however I do feel he is a slightly WR better coach than some are giving credit for.

Mahoney is over his head at this level. Marginal to no development of his personnel.

So is Martinez. Worst defensive secondary basic skills I have ever seen. Players just do not develop under him. Period. Cam actually regressed from last year to this year - before the injury!

If Butch will take some serious criticism and seek guidance from Blackburn who I think will be named soon, get rid of these four, hire quality assistants letting Shoop get his own position guys, have a serious come to Jesus meeting with all players and coaches remaining on expectations, they might right the ship.

If...
 
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YorkVol said:
The article actually plays into CBJs favor.
Issues in accountability in the weight room? Bring in a new overall head from the NFL whatever he may cost.

Issues among the defensive staff? Let Shoop clean house, regardless of the cost.
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What if Shoop is the problem?
 
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MedicT said:
Having learned the fickle nature of the UT football program as a whole, Jones would do himself a favor if he turned in a respectable season next year then headed for a more stable program to further his career. Hate to see it happen but I suspect it is his best option. Tennessee will enjoy the carousel for a very long time.
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This is true. Then 2 to 3 years later, another coach ... then 2 to 3 years later another coach ... and the carousel goes round and round and folks will wonder why it never stops.
 
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jakez4ut said:
agreed. which is why i don't think he's there. can he get there? yeah. but he's not going to do it on his own. he needs someone to really challenge him.

and it's not going to come from w/in, it's going to come from an AD that has a clear direction he expects from the program and the coach running it.
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Not that you're advocating it, but Tennessee shouldn't be a place for on the job training. Unfortunately, it has become that.
 
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djohnnyg said:
It's possible without the injuries we are in the college football playoff. It's a shame at the end of the day that the devastating injuries are not even considered a factor in analyzing and "grading" the team or Butch's job...BUT...it's the way it is in big time college football. Nobody gives two s##ts about the injuries. That being said...there are many ways Butch handled this in the wrong way. This "champions of life" thing was weak in this big world of college football. It's great if you're at Austin Peay...but not for a program who has half it's games aired on network national TV..and the other half on a major sports network.

The way the injuries exposed the weakness in depth...which goes to recruiting....also reflects negatively on Butch...I'm just saying without the all those devastating injuries we probably aren't seeing an article like this...BUT an adverse occurrence like that was not handled right...and it exposed a recruiting weakness.
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Derek Barnett said himself injuries were not the reason they lost to Vandy. I'll take his word for it. The talent level even with injuries still outmatched USC Jr and Vandy. Injuries were not the reason UT scored 31 in the first half against Vandy and 3 in the second, all while making Vandy's ~108 ranked offense look like an NFL team playing against a high school team.
 
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Jaytrain5 said:
How is it a good thing for people to expect you to suck?

Alabama, Ohio State, Clemson, and Washington all had lofty expectations heading into 2016.
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Lofty expectations for a team not used to winning usually doesn't pan out well.

All of those teams you mentioned except Washington have experienced recent championship/postseason success. Washington is the rare "trendy pick" that actually lived up to/surpassed preseason expectations.

For example I don't think Tennessee truly woke up this year until the second half of the Florida game because they'd heard all preseason that they were a great team and should win the East.
 
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jakez4ut said:
agreed. which is why i don't think he's there. can he get there? yeah. but he's not going to do it on his own. he needs someone to really challenge him.

and it's not going to come from w/in, it's going to come from an AD that has a clear direction he expects from the program and the coach running it.
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Blackburn and CPF....it appears that CBJ needs a mentor with a championship mentality.

He is the ugly guy with the model chick that likes him and wants to be with him, but his own insecurities is messing up the relationship.
 
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jakez4ut said:
yeah, i thought so too. kind of takes the sting of the article away, when you get a top 5 kid to sign. someone still believes.....
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In the interview of Trey Smith by Espn, Smith states that one of the biggest reasons he picked UT was how the O line players had made him feel at home and how good it made him feel. Not once did he say anything like this about CBJ...

I give Jones credit for getting him on board,but IMO we shouldn't have to fight to keep in state talent of this caliber.
 
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Please take note that a source in this article is being critical of Jones for not taking ownership and being accountable while also choosing to remain anonymous themselves. If taking ownership is such an important thing to this 'source' then why didn't that source put their name behind this criticism?
 
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solivols said:
Derek Barnett said himself injuries were not the reason they lost to Vandy.
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I don't recall him specifically stating what the reason was. It could have been one of many things or combination of things:

- Bad play calling; they were out of position all game long and looked at times like they had no idea what they were doing.
- Lack of adjustments; it wasn't working in the first half and there were no obvious adjustments in the second half
- Lack of execution by the players; either players just not executing the play or not understanding the play
- Team not being prepared for the Vandy offense
- Type of players playing not able to execute well the schemes that were being called.

These fall into many different areas with very different solutions required.

You are automatically assuming he is pointing towards the coaching. I am not making assumptions either way because he was not specific in what the reason was. He may have thought that he did not play well enough in the game for all I know.
 
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CMBVOL said:
Hot garbage trying to kill the hype that Trey Smith commitment created. Bottomline don't believe everything you read.
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Kill the hype? Why would that be if the bulk of the media's narrative for the past two years has been to put UT on a pedestal. You guys can't have it both ways.
 
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FlyFishnVol said:
What the! is that suppose to mean? Can any sports writer just say something like that and be considered a Content Expert in physical, mental, social, environmental therapy? Are you the type of person that reads an article about miracle cures and because it says what you want to hear that it must be the truth?

The gullibility of fans on here is absolutely ridiculous. Anyone that reads an article from someone who majored in sports journalism and takes their opinions just because it matches your feelings is an idiot.

I equate this to all those infomercials on TV that come on after midnight........my god people, wake up and pull the curtain back on sports media.........they want you to believe they know what the heck is going on........and the crazy thing about it...........they don't have to prove it, YOU give them them that creditability just by reading and believing every word without any proof of their education or background......some of these people barely made it through college or played sports......man! what a world.......I went into the wrong profession, because there is plenty of weak minded people out there. By the way, I have some tree bark that will help grow hair and I need investors......send cash, no checks :crazy:
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It means exactly what it says. Are you the type of person that over evaluates everything? Butch, is that you? I find it telling that anyone who spends time around Butch (you?) has this opinion. Nothing more, nothing less. Go have a drink, fire off another tweet, something and calm down.
 
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Rgntddybrvol91 said:
In the interview of Trey Smith by Espn, Smith states that one of the biggest reasons he picked UT was how the O line players had made him feel at home and how good it made him feel. Not once did he say anything like this about CBJ...

I give Jones credit for getting him on board,but IMO we shouldn't have to fight to keep in state talent of this caliber.
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You need to listen to and read some of his other comments as well. He was complimentary of Jones as well.
 
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volfan102455 said:
I don't recall him specifically stating what the reason was. It could have been one of many things or combination of things:

- Bad play calling; they were out of position all game long and looked at times like they had no idea what they were doing.
- Lack of adjustments; it wasn't working in the first half and there were no obvious adjustments in the second half
- Lack of execution by the players; either players just not executing the play or not understanding the play
- Team not being prepared for the Vandy offense
- Type of players playing not able to execute well the schemes that were being called.

These fall into many different areas with very different solutions required.

You are automatically assuming he is pointing towards the coaching. I am not making assumptions either way because he was not specific in what the reason was. He may have thought that he did not play well enough in the game for all I know.
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Each possibility you list above leads back to coaching... bad play calling, not making adjustments, team not motivated, team not prepared. How is coaching ultimately not responsible for each of these? The talent was there to win.
 
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volfan102455 said:
Timing is everything. Those in the media know that. Attention was clearly on Tennessee yesterday with the announcement. Wait a week with no games and no big recruits confirming and the focus goes away and this story probably doesn't get the national attention that it could get by putting it out there when eyes are turned this way.

The intent with this is to ensure failure not to support fixing any problems that may or may not be within the program.
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When did that become the duty of the sports media?
 
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Rgntddybrvol91 said:
I give Jones credit for getting him on board,but IMO we shouldn't have to fight to keep in state talent of this caliber.
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Well when the other offers are Alabama, OSU, Clemson, etc. it doesn't matter where a recruit is from they are going to listen. And if you don't seriously recruit and fight for that player and let them know you want them here, he is going to go elsewhere - remember Von Bell - all he needed was some love from Tennessee - he got none until it was too late.
 
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TN 247 responses on the article are almost as good as some of these. Travis is "travelling" and unable to respond, so RC is getting all the flak. He just keeps saying Travis is a great writer, but won't offer any comment.
 
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The biggest fear for any writer or news organization is that someone else gets the story before you do. If sources talked to Haney, they could just as easily have been talking to someone else.

He worked it, wrote it, filed it, and they ran it as quickly as possible. There is no interest at all in "timing" anything. If they would have had it last week, it would have ran last week.

No one is going to wait around so another outlet can file the story first.
 
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solivols said:
Each possibility you list above leads back to coaching... bad play calling, not making adjustments, team not motivated, team not prepared. How is coaching ultimately not responsible for each of these? The talent was there to win.
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Players must OWN it as well. Coaching a player is a two way street. Coach has to give and player has to receive and act upon what was given. If one side does not hold up their part - failure happens. Only the coach and the player knows which failed.

Coaching is like teaching - a teacher can have 10 students in a class and 5 of those students knock it out of the park - get A's, score high on the ACT's .... and the others are either average or fail. Does that make the teacher at fault because 5 students did not study nor take things seriously enough and were content with just getting by? Granted there may be some of the 5 that don't have the capacity to learn what was being taught - but a teacher can only see that and make suggestions for said student to address that - they can't fix it unless the dumb down the content to the level of the lowest performer.

Same is true of any manager / team member relationship. You manage the folks but at the end of the day they have to take accountability to use the advice given and perform. Only the manager / team member knows who truly failed when failures occur.
 
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