PizzaGate

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#555
Sigh.

A website not owned by the government can kill whatever threads it wants to. And in a sense, a place like Reddit shutting one like this down, in order to funnel all the loons to a smaller number of contained locales makes sense.

No reason to risk spread of whatever mental illness you have. You guys should definitely be playing in your own sandbox. Keep the rest of us safe
 
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lawgator1 said:
Sigh.

No reason to risk spread of whatever mental illness you have. You guys should definitely be playing in your own sandbox. Keep the rest of us safe
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LG, correct me if I'm wrong here, but haven't you gone all in on the Russian election tampering theory?
 
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lawgator1 said:
Sigh.

A website not owned by the government can kill whatever threads it wants to. And in a sense, a place like Reddit shutting one like this down, in order to funnel all the loons to a smaller number of contained locales makes sense.

No reason to risk spread of whatever mental illness you have. You guys should definitely be playing in your own sandbox. Keep the rest of us safe
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needs safe space
 
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lawgator1 said:
Sigh.

A website not owned by the government can kill whatever threads it wants to. And in a sense, a place like Reddit shutting one like this down, in order to funnel all the loons to a smaller number of contained locales makes sense.

No reason to risk spread of whatever mental illness you have. You guys should definitely be playing in your own sandbox. Keep the rest of us safe
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I'm fully aware that a privately owned website can shut down a thread if it wants. That's not the point. The point is that this information is being censored, unlike similar information relating to the countless other conspiracy theories discussed in similar venues since the birth of the internet. That is damning whether you want to admit it or not. And Reddit is not the only one. Who exactly is pulling the strings behind this censorship operation?

Sigh.
 
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DC_Vol said:
LG, correct me if I'm wrong here, but haven't you gone all in on the Russian election tampering theory?
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It's not a theory. They've been doing the same thing with European countries and some European elections for at least the past five years or so.
 
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volprof said:
It's not a theory. They've been doing the same thing with European countries and some European elections for at least the past five years or so.
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There's more evidence that Hillary is a child sex trafficker enabler than there is of Russia influencing our election.
 
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#566
When Americans on the far left or far right use the word "evidence" they really mean "falsehoods and fabrications that I will accept at face value because they make me feel that I am right and the other side is wrong".

Our whole politics has basically been wallowing in the language of conspiracy theories for decades.

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Fixed.
Vast right-wing conspiracy.
New World Order.
Jade Helm.
GMOs are killing people.
Vaccines are just autism juice.
Pizzagate.
Putin hacked my votin' box.
Lies from the left.
Lies from the right.

It is Stupid v. Stupid day after day.

This isn't like a Scopes Trial where one side at least has science and reason on its side. No, this is more like a Salem Witch Trial where both sides think they are the ones putting the other side on trial for being witches.

Partly this is because the human mind is the greatest computer for finding pattern ever created. How good is it? We find meaningful correlations constantly where they do not even remotely exist.

Our only way past this dark moment is an education system that stresses logic, reason, critical thinking and ethics . . . in short, we are done for.

Pizzagate, as funny as it is to witness it unfold, is just one more pustule on the corpse of a once great nation killed by a terminal case of Stupid Pox.

:eek:lol:
 
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Rifleman said:
When Americans on the far left or far right use the word "evidence" they really mean "falsehoods and fabrications that I will accept at face value because they make me feel that I am right and the other side is wrong".

Our whole politics is has basically been wallowing in the language of conspiracy theories for decades.

Rigged.
Fixed.
Vast right-wing conspiracy.
New World Order.
Jade Helm.
GMOs are killing people.
Vaccines are just autism juice.
Pizzagate.
Putin hacked my votin' box.
Lies from the left.
Lies from the right.

It is Stupid v. Stupid day after day.

This isn't like a Scopes Trial where one side at least has science and reason on its side. No, this is more like a Salem Witch Trial where both sides think they are the ones putting the other side on trial for being witches.

Partly this is because the human mind is the greatest computer for finding pattern ever created. How good is it? We find meaningful correlations constantly where they do not even remotely exist.

Our only way past this dark moment is an education system that stresses logic, reason, critical thinking and ethics . . . in short, we are done for.

Pizzagate, as funny as it is to witness it unfold, is just more pustule on the corpse of a once great nation killed by a terminal case of Stupid Pox.

:eek:lol:
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Word vomit.
 
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SamRebel35 said:
It was two agencies, and neither of them said what you just said.
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You are both wrong, or spinning it your way at the very least.

Joint Statement from the Department of Homeland Security
and Office of the Director of National Intelligence on Election Security

No need to speculate on what was said by our intelligence community. They say stuff and write it down for us too.

Russia was clearly attempting to influence the election, but there is no evidence that there was any hacking:

*State elections officials were made aware of any attempted incursions well before the election and had time to respond
*Voting machines are rarely internet facing
*Optical scan machines match electronic voting patterns when demographics are controlled for
 
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Rifleman said:
You are both wrong, or spinning it your way at the very least.

Joint Statement from the Department of Homeland Security
and Office of the Director of National Intelligence on Election Security

No need to speculate on what was said by our intelligence community. They say stuff and write it down for us too.

Russia was clearly attempting to influence the election, but there is no evidence that there was any hacking:

*State elections officials were made aware of any attempted incursions well before the election and had time to respond
*Voting machines are rarely internet facing
*Optical scan machines match electronic voting patterns when demographics are controlled for
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Question, are the results electronically sent to a central location and then electronically tabulated from there?

For example, if I go in and vote at my precinct, the vote is scanned. The paper copy goes into a box.

Now, I get that the scanning machine does not appear to have an internet connection. And for the sake of argument let's say it does not. But then, how are the results of my precinct communicated to the county supervisor of election office?

And then, how are the results of my precinct combined with results of other precincts in my county, at the supervisor's office? By computer with internet access?

And then, how are the county's totals sent to the State office, to be added to those of other counties?

This is why I think there has been a request for some review of whether the vote totals that are recorded in these places 1) match the votes cast; and 2) match the vote totals reported to each step up the line.

I don't think its interference at the precinct level that is the question.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Question, are the results electronically sent to a central location and then electronically tabulated from there?

For example, if I go in and vote at my precinct, the vote is scanned. The paper copy goes into a box.

Now, I get that the scanning machine does not appear to have an internet connection. And for the sake of argument let's say it does not. But then, how are the results of my precinct communicated to the county supervisor of election office?

And then, how are the results of my precinct combined with results of other precincts in my county, at the supervisor's office? By computer with internet access?

And then, how are the county's totals sent to the State office, to be added to those of other counties?

This is why I think there has been a request for some review of whether the vote totals that are recorded in these places 1) match the votes cast; and 2) match the vote totals reported to each step up the line.

I don't think its interference at the precinct level that is the question.
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Nice hijacking of the thread.
 
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#571
lawgator1 said:
Question, are the results electronically sent to a central location and then electronically tabulated from there?

For example, if I go in and vote at my precinct, the vote is scanned. The paper copy goes into a box.

Now, I get that the scanning machine does not appear to have an internet connection. And for the sake of argument let's say it does not. But then, how are the results of my precinct communicated to the county supervisor of election office?

And then, how are the results of my precinct combined with results of other precincts in my county, at the supervisor's office? By computer with internet access?

And then, how are the county's totals sent to the State office, to be added to those of other counties?

This is why I think there has been a request for some review of whether the vote totals that are recorded in these places 1) match the votes cast; and 2) match the vote totals reported to each step up the line.

I don't think its interference at the precinct level that is the question.
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The link I provided does address this somewhat.

States have secure systems for the counts to be entered into by election officials. None of that is hackable without it becoming very obvious. People are double checking the data at every level and nothing is left to chance. Even if the state data turns up one more vote than a precinct reported, that would be noticed. People who are election workers can often tell you how many votes their precinct dropped for candidate X or Y years down the road.

Then, data scientists and election integrity folks are looking for patterns of malfeasance after the fact.

Overall, these systems and processes get better every four years, so this was probably one of the more pristine elections in our history from the standpoint of the intent of the people who actually voted being translated into numbers.
 
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SamRebel35 said:
This is a reasonable explanation. Missing from this explanation, however, is the issue of media outlets who choose not to investigate, yet still render a conclusion that the story is fake (BBC and NYT among many others). Is that fine, or do you view it as hack journalism?
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How would you know they are not investigating?

Reporting a conclusion based on the facts as they know or understand them today in no way precludes a media entity from continuing an investigation behind closed doors, starting an investigation, or reporting that their original reporting ending up being incorrect via new information that became available at a later date.
 
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PKT_VOL said:
How would you know they are not investigating?

Reporting a conclusion based on the facts as they know or understand them today in no way precludes a media entity from continuing an investigation behind closed doors, starting an investigation, or reporting that their original reporting ending up being incorrect via new information that became available at a later date.
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They aren't because members of the FBI had a hand in releasing the Wikileaks's emails. Their hands have been tied for a long time.
 
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jamesd1628 said:
Plenty of journalists investigating this? Well if that's true, then we know they won't be from CNN, NYT, Washington Post, ABC, NBC, CBS, Fox News, BBC, NPR or any of the other mainstream outlets. They have all already declared the story to be fake news. So what does that leave? Only those outlets declared by the mainstream to be fake news. Interesting.
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You don't know that. They can report that it is a false story based on their current understanding AND investigate the matter behind closed doors. Those things are not mutually exclusive.

jamesd1628 said:
I think it has become clear that mainstream "news" is no longer in the news business; rather, they are in the business of pushing an agenda, regardless of the facts. They don't want people reporting facts because it interferes with their agenda, plain and simple.
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Of course it is a business. Rating drive business. You don't think they desperately want this story to be true? Can you imagine the ratings they would get if they broke this story? Your argument actually turns against itself.

jamesd1628 said:
The most damning aspect of this entire story might just be the extreme effort being put forth to shut it down. How many countless conspiracy theories have been postulated over the years? Kennedy, moon landing, 911, Columbine, Sandy Hook, Boston bombings, a myriad of other "false flag" conspiracies, and countless others, easily in the thousands. In all of those cases, no effort was ever made to censor the conspiracy theorists and absolutely shut down any discussion regarding the matter. TPTB were content to simply let folks stumble around in the dark. But not on pizzagate. The effort to shut it down is remarkable. And very damning.
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Do you have any idea why this is different? You realize Pizzagate is totally different don't you? If you don't, I'll help you out.

This is two fold.

1) There is a huge different between:

"The government (or some government agency) did X"

...and...

"John Smith did X"

One is a very broad, general, faceless group of people that make of the government even though each conspiracy would only need a few select individuals to carry out said conspiracy. Government vs private citizen(s).

2) The First Amendment protects free speech from the government. It does not protect slander, libel, or defamation of other private citizens due to spreading gossip, rumors, innuendo, or unfounded speculation.

Private media entities, especially ones with money, have to protect themselves. They can't allow themselves to be a risk for defamation lawsuits. Even conspiracy sites like Above Top Secret understand this and have placed limits on Pizzagate.

It has absolutely nothing to do with the validity of Pizzagate. It is strictly a wise C.Y.A. move.
 
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volprof said:
It's not a theory. They've been doing the same thing with European countries and some European elections for at least the past five years or so.
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It's a theory at this point. And there is a lot more evidence of this pizzagate business than there is of this Russian election business.

Which is why I think it's funny to see LG's dramatic sighing and mocking in this thread. As LG said, "get help".
 
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