2017 Loaded! Starters by position.....

#127
#127
KBVol said:
After seeing what happened to JRM and Sutton when they came back this year I wouldn't be so sure. Also, it's not a great draft for WRs which could help me.

I think and hope Malone stays and that he should....GOD knows team 121 badly needs him next year. But there's uncertainty at QB next year and another year of Azzani sure as hell does him no good. He's very talented, has had an outstanding season, and if he gets a decent draft grade back, 3rd round or so, I could see him declaring.
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Unfortunately it gets no better than this season through no fault on Malones part. If Jennings were eligible we'd be in serious trouble.
 
#129
#129
volmandu said:
Tyler Byrd and Juan Jennings both at DBs and Todd Kelly at OLB ? Also Alexis Johnson as DE
Man, you sound like Butch Jones ..
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Every one of those moves except for Johnson as a DE makes sense. TKJr lead the team in tackles, right? Jennings is a dog and NEEDS to be on D. Byrd is a first round CB waiting to happen.

We could only WISH CBJ would think like this.
 
#130
#130
Dudleys87 said:
Dobbs made the oline look a lot better than it is.
We are all in for a rude awakening if QD isn't mobile enough.
Loosing the best player on the team imo at RB doesent make them better.
Malone probably leaves. If Jennings and Byrd move over to Defense there's no go to guy for the inexperienced QB.
Wolf is inconsistent and there's nothing behind him with Croom out.
A ton of guys could leave early on the Oline.

Loosing Barnett and Vareen will hurt. The rest are unproven and injury prone.

DKJ returning is a great thing outside of that I haven't seen anything that says starter. A bunch of filler guys.

Sutton, Martin on his own not for draft reasons, and TK I like the potential in Abernathy and Osborne.

Not anything close to loaded and nowhere near the potential of this season next year.
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I can appreciate what you're saying and why you're concerned. I hope you will be very pleasantly surprised by the quality of players and how good they really are and I believe you will be.
 
#131
#131
Vickers has another year...so we have 4 DEs and 4 DTs...after the year we had we better hope we add either a juco or and early enrollee (who is physically ready) at both spots...
 
#132
#132
Enki_Amenra said:
I can appreciate what you're saying and why you're concerned. I hope you will be very pleasantly surprised by the quality of players and how good they really are and I believe you will be.
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I have always and will always want the best for the Vols. I have no more faith left in Jones to do so.

That said I am happy with the talent we have and could have coming back. Im sure they'll surprise me a lot like this team did early in the season. I just don't see enough of a supporting cast to go to places like the swamp and tiger stadium and come out with a W. Georgia at home helps but look at the talent coming back and experience. They'll win some games but it's way to early to say: east title, SECCG, etc.
 
#133
#133
Enki_Amenra said:
I can appreciate what you're saying and why you're concerned. I hope you will be very pleasantly surprised by the quality of players and how good they really are and I believe you will be.
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Hopefully he can be a solid role player next year.

Edit: Quoted the wrong guy.

Talking about Vickers.
 
#135
#135
None of the other moves matter unless the line play on both sides of the ball improves greatly. Next year looks to be another mediocre year because:
--DEFENSE: No depth at DT, no speed rusher at DE, lack of depth and speed at LB, lack of speed in defensive backfield (especially safety).
--OFFENSE: Offensive line (especially OT) still weakest link on team, new QB, underperforming WR, Kelly shows promise but has trouble holding onto the ball, no proven backup at RB.

Vols can be good but not great with that resume'. You can't win championships with 3* recruits.
 
#136
#136
Backwards K said:
None of the other moves matter unless the line play on both sides of the ball improves greatly. Next year looks to be another mediocre year because:
--DEFENSE: No depth at DT, no speed rusher at DE, lack of depth and speed at LB, lack of speed in defensive backfield (especially safety).
--OFFENSE: Offensive line (especially OT) still weakest link on team, new QB, underperforming WR, Kelly shows promise but has trouble holding onto the ball, no proven backup at RB.

Vols can be good but not great with that resume'. You can't win championships with 3* recruits.
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How many of those guys do you think are 3*?

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Kongbo 4*
Guarantano 4*
Tuttle 4*
M. Osborne 4*
J. Kelly 3*
K. Phillips 4*
Gaulden 3*
L. Williams 3*
M. Callaway 4*
T. Byrd 4*
A. Smith 3*
Q. Dormady 4*
E. Mosely 3*
S. Jones4*
Q. Sapp 4*
J. Jennings 4*
D. Bates 4*
B. Johnson 3*
N. Warrior 4*
D. Taylor 4*
C. McDowell 4*
V. Perry 3*
Abernathy 4*
TK II 4*
Stephen Griffin 3*
Fils-aime 4*
B. Buchanan 3*
Ev. Berry 4*
El. Berry 3*
DK II 4*
D. Bituli 4*
G. Bryant 4*
K. Vickers 3*
D. Mixon 3*
J. Blakely 3*
V. Boulware 3*
D. Richmond 4*
A. Butcher 4*
Q. Picou 3*
C. Thomas 3*
Niehaus 3*
Sanders 3*
B. Kendrick 3*
Jack Jones 4*
M. Tatum 3*
R. Johnson 4*
J. Robertson 3*
C. Hall 3*
D. Brooks 3*
C. Mosley3*
E. Wolf 4*
A. Pope 3*
M. McDaniel 3*
Alexis Johnson 4*
K. McKenzie 5*
 
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#139
#139
madbamahater said:
2017 Starters

QB - Jarrett Guarantano
RB - John Kelly (Alvin Kamara if no draft)
WR - Josh Malone
WR - Marquez Callaway
WR - Josh Smith
TE - Ethan Wolf
LT - Brett Kendrick*
LG - Venzell Boulware* or Jashon Robertson*
C - Coleman Thomas
RG - Jack Jones*
RT - Chance Hall*
* Hard to tell who will start where because they have all been moved around and have tons of experience at multiple positions (group played well considering)

DE - Kyle Phillips moves back outside
DT - Shy Tuttle
DT - Kahlil McKenzie
DE - Alexis Johnson or Darrell Taylor
** There will be great depth along the DL provided no injuries
OLB - Todd Kelly Jr (Weak Side)
MLB - Darrin Kirkland Jr
OLB - Quart'e Sapp or Ja'Quain Blakely (Strong Side)
LCB - Baylen Buchanan
SS - Nigel Warrior
FS - Jauan Jennings
RCB - Tyler Byrd

N-B - Rashaan Gaulden (2 LB sets)

P - Trevor Daniel
PK - Aaron Medley
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:mf_surrender::mf_surrender::mf_surrender:
 
#140
#140
madbamahater said:
2017 Starters

QB - Jarrett Guarantano
RB - John Kelly (Alvin Kamara if no draft)
WR - Josh Malone
WR - Marquez Callaway
WR - Josh Smith
TE - Ethan Wolf
LT - Brett Kendrick*
LG - Venzell Boulware* or Jashon Robertson*
C - Coleman Thomas
RG - Jack Jones*
RT - Chance Hall*
* Hard to tell who will start where because they have all been moved around and have tons of experience at multiple positions (group played well considering)

DE - Kyle Phillips moves back outside
DT - Shy Tuttle
DT - Kahlil McKenzie
DE - Alexis Johnson or Darrell Taylor
** There will be great depth along the DL provided no injuries
OLB - Todd Kelly Jr (Weak Side)
MLB - Darrin Kirkland Jr
OLB - Quart'e Sapp or Ja'Quain Blakely (Strong Side)
LCB - Baylen Buchanan
SS - Nigel Warrior
FS - Jauan Jennings
RCB - Tyler Byrd

N-B - Rashaan Gaulden (2 LB sets)

P - Trevor Daniel
PK - Aaron Medley
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no C jumper at backer?
 
#141
#141
volgr said:
Projected starting 11 on both sides is pretty good, but the depth is pretty bad. Worse than this year. So sprinkle in the usual amount of injuries, a generous portion of underwhelming game management by Butch and a touch of lack of player progression and you have a recipe for another crap sandwich.
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I don't think so, we had a good class last year and was able to RS 9-10 of them.
 
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#142
#142
Enki_Amenra said:
How many of those guys do you think are 3*?

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V. Boulware 3*
D. Richmond 4*
C. Thomas 3*
Niehaus 3*
Sanders 3*
B. Kendrick 3*
Jack Jones 4*
M. Tatum 3*
R. Johnson 4*
J. Robertson 3*
C. Hall 3*
D. Brooks 3*
C. Mosley3*


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There's 10 out of 13 offensive linemen who were 3*. You can't win with that kind of talent when you have no track record of developing players.

Thanks for proving my point for me.
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#144
#144
2016 was the perfect storm talent wise IMO. More than enough has been said about failing this year.

Here's are the encouraging factors leading into 2017 IMO.

#1 Our injuries and attrition have forced large numbers of younger players into live reps and many of them. OL, WR, DL, LB, DB, PR, KR. This bodes well for our depth and talent being improved over what was expected in 17'. Although, we had only 1 game all season for playing "scrubs". That was detrimental a bit, but still a big +.

#2 Our offense will be different next year. With QD or JG (or SJ), we will be more pass oriented and less of a scramble / 3 headed monster running game.

#3 Our staff is going to be in a "make or break" season. One Jones has never experienced so far in his career. My hope is that he "trims the fat" and focuses all energy on better football. Shoop & D will be more comfy in their roles. Plus, this season has to be torture for him. I don't expect a sloppy D next year early. They'll be locked in scheme wise IMO. Whether Debord stays or not IDK, so that's an unknown.

#4 I like our talent. I love the adversity that this offseason off "missed expectations" will bring. Hoping that we can squeak out a difficult and lackluster bowl win in order to drive home this point all spring and summer.

Early 17' roster look ...
S - Kelly, Abernathy, Warrior, Berry make a good safety group. Griffin's not as good iirc, but he's played too. Enough talent there to not need to risk JJ swap and a learning curve IMO. We'll have depth nonetheless if he gets a look.
RB - looks good with the new class and CFA stepping up.
QB - in really good shape with and quality experienced backup vs top RSFr vs RSSoph for the position.
OL - should be much better via experience(although I thought that this year too). DR is starting to get a little mojo. With a year of S/C and his experience, I would not be surprised to see him really take off and play well. Get our RT and others healthy and we could be good here. We'll need better protection w/o Dobbs wheels fo sho.
TE - will be down w/o Croom (passing wise) but still solid with excellent Wolf + a newcomer.
DE - will be a bit of a dropoff due to our 2 big DE losses. But still with very talented and players with more experience than expected.
DT - if healed, will be improved over this year due to experience and the weight room. Wouldnt hurt to add another JUCO if Gaddy's are not replaced.
LB - should feature Bituli, Kirk, and Sapp as a athletic playmakers, but still a weakspot with Berry, Jumper, McD, Bryant still below avg SEC players now. The good news is that all those 4 have gotten many reps this year. If 1 or 2 shows improvement, we may surprise @ the position. Nobody here = JRM, but if we get 3 solid LBs to play power run teams, then we'll be better than this year.
WR - Jennings stays at WR to make a really talented group there. Maybe best on the team. JJ, Malone, Byrd, Smith, BJ, #19 is maybe our best position on the team.
CB/N - Gaulden is seasoned. Martin (if his head stays on) and Moseley will make a decent group of starters. If Buch & Osbourne can make So jumps then that would be great. Unsure about any other depth there unless Byrd came over.
K - Should be +
P - Already a freaking beast
KR - Loaded w Berry or Byrd
PR - Callaway hopefully seizes it

... I'm actually pretty jacked about next years roster. Hope we can get a bowl win and a top 10 class. That would put my mind at ease that we at least have a shot.
 
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#145
#145
livefaith said:
2016 was the perfect storm talent wise IMO. More than enough has been said about failing this year.

Here's are the encouraging factors leading into 2017 IMO.

#1 Our injuries and attrition have forced large numbers of younger players into live reps and many of them. OL, WR, DL, LB, DB, PR, KR. This bodes well for our depth and talent being improved over what was expected in 17'. Although, we had only 1 game all season for playing "scrubs". That was detrimental a bit, but still a big +.

#2 Our offense will be different next year. With QD or JG (or SJ), we will be more pass oriented and less of a scramble / 3 headed monster running game.

#3 Our staff is going to be in a "make or break" season. One Jones has never experienced so far in his career. My hope is that he "trims the fat" and focuses all energy on better football. Shoop & D will be more comfy in their roles. Plus, this season has to be torture for him. I don't expect a sloppy D next year early. They'll be locked in scheme wise IMO. Whether Debord stays or not IDK, so that's an unknown.

#4 I like our talent. I love the adversity that this offseason off "missed expectations" will bring. Hoping that we can squeak out a difficult and lackluster bowl win in order to drive home this point all spring and summer.

Early 17' roster look ...
S - Kelly, Abernathy, Warrior, Berry make a good safety group. Griffin's not as good iirc, but he's played too. Enough talent there to not need to risk JJ swap and a learning curve IMO. We'll have depth nonetheless if he gets a look.
RB - looks good with the new class and CFA stepping up.
QB - in really good shape with and quality experienced backup vs top RSFr vs RSSoph for the position.
OL - should be much better via experience(although I thought that this year too). DR is starting to get a little mojo. With a year of S/C and his experience, I would not be surprised to see him really take off and play well. Get our RT and others healthy and we could be good here. We'll need better protection w/o Dobbs wheels fo sho.
TE - will be down w/o Croom (passing wise) but still solid with excellent Wolf + a newcomer.
DE - will be a bit of a dropoff due to our 2 big DE losses. But still with very talented and players with more experience than expected.
DT - if healed, will be improved over this year due to experience and the weight room. Wouldnt hurt to add another JUCO if Gaddy's are not replaced.
LB - should feature Bituli, Kirk, and Sapp as a athletic playmakers, but still a weakspot with Berry, Jumper, McD, Bryant still below avg SEC players now. The good news is that all those 4 have gotten many reps this year. If 1 or 2 shows improvement, we may surprise @ the position. Nobody here = JRM, but if we get 3 solid LBs to play power run teams, then we'll be better than this year.
WR - Jennings stays at WR to make a really talented group there. Maybe best on the team. JJ, Malone, Byrd, Smith, BJ, #19 is maybe our best position on the team.
CB/N - Gaulden is seasoned. Martin (if his head stays on) and Moseley will make a decent group of starters. If Buch & Osbourne can make So jumps then that would be great. Unsure about any other depth there unless Byrd came over.
K - Should be +
P - Already a freaking beast
KR - Loaded w Berry or Byrd
PR - Callaway hopefully seizes it

... I'm actually pretty jacked about next years roster. Hope we can get a bowl win and a top 10 class. That would put my mind at ease that we at least have a shot.
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Spot on for numbers 1 through 4. I'm not as optimistic about the secondary next year. We only lose 1 starter and our secondary has not looked good this year. Hopefully they will improve and become a strength because we do have a lot of experience returning.
 
#147
#147
Backwards K said:
There's 10 out of 13 offensive linemen who were 3*. You can't win with that kind of talent when you have no track record of developing players.

Thanks for proving my point for me.
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So, they were good enough to be the line for a potential 10-2, 11-1 team, but they aren't good enough for next year? Was it poor coaching or the players?

If you say both, then no one should've expected anything more than 7-5, 8-4 this year.

If you say coaching, then you acknowledge the players are good enough for that sort of potential in this league moving forward..
 
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#148
#148
QB- QD, JG
RB- Kelly, chandler, fils aime
TE- wolf, johnson, pope
WR- malone, callaway
WR- jennings, george
WR- smith, perry
LT- richmond, kendrick
LG- J rob, boulware
C- thomas, jones
RG- jones, boulware
RT- Hall, kendrick


DE- Phillips, taylor
DT-kmac, vickers
DT- shuttle, johnson
DE- kongbo, smith
OLB- Sapp, berry, mcdowell
MLB- kirkland, jumper
Sam- bates, smith
CB-moseley, buchannon
CB-byrd,martin,
S- Kelly, griffin
S- warrior, berry, abernathy(all will play)
NB- gaulden
 
#149
#149
Jennings isn't gonna move. Tyler Byrd might only because you can replace his speed on offense with Latrell Williams. But Jennings is our best WR. He isn't going to defense
 
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