5-7 here we come.

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Volstylexx said:
We should have easily won the SEC east many times in our storied history, but like this year we didn't. Michigan, btw, hasn't been relevant since roughly the last time we were. Last I checked, they weren't playing for their conference championship either.
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No.. they are just playing for a spot in the playoffs, I'll take that over a conference championship any day.
 
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Dudleys87 said:
Blame us like Butch blames his players.
Tells them to own it but refuses to do so himself.
Yea he's a real winner.

It can't be that hard to wrap your head around the idea that most fans wouldn't be saying a thing had he done his job and not pissed the bed again. Most would have forgotten the SC but then Vandy happened. With everything on the line Butch proved once again he can't get it done. Whether it be pure coaching or simply the pressure he just can't. He's a 8-9 stability guy who will never win anything other than cliche award for most creative. The mentality that some of you have fallen into is scary. As long as we're above .500 everything's ok.
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You forgot he won the national championship for special teams, and is also a champion of life winner..
 
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Catbone said:
Butch jones had the most talented roster get will ever have this year and it looked very questionable even before the injuries occured. Recruiting is nose diving and he's allowing spreading rumors of leaving. Something is not right
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And it's obvious.
If he's here two weeks for now illl be surprised and that's not because I want him on the next thing smoking.
 
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AllVolForLife_16 said:
Dooley was seriously so bad that it has caused a large portion of this fanbase to be content with mediocrity when we were set up for greatness this season. It's sad. This is a proud program and Jones has hit his ceiling. If Butch leaves it will be a blessing in disguise as long as we hire the right AD for the job, David Blackburn.
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Dooley was good enough to beat Jones....
 
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VolFreakJosh said:
This is true but Butch really ruined our chances of having a fantastic 2016 season. We should have easily won the SEC East and went 10-2 overall. What's the excuse for not accomplishing those goals? It's not like he didn't have a damn thing to work with. I think it's finally gotten to our fan's heads that we're tired of sitting around waiting for these diamond in the rough type of coaches to work some magic while Bama, Michigan, Ohio St., continues to win championships with already proven top tier coaches. You pay big money, you get great results. That's something our administration never could get through their thick skulls.
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Ask yourself how much Texas paid Strong for his 4 years and just last night Oregon dismissed their head coach of 4 years. I don't think anything can be predicted....too many variables to consider. As for CBJ he projected a lot of enthusiasm and had good momentum and has done good things at UT. Reminds me of a lot of small fiesty dogs, always barking and growling at me like they could tear me in half. So i'm not going to guess what CBJ is doing at this moment but I assume he's gonna be HC at UT.I think he's definitley been humbled and can't project the image he'd like. He uses the term "resilient" quite often so now is the time to practice what you preach. Keep your foot on the throttle and your hand upon the wheel. UT is UT and we'll be alright.
 
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so OP, you're saying with a more competent staff that we're going to lose to 7/9 of

GT on a neutral field
@UF
UGA at home
SC at home off of a bye
@Bama
@UK
@Mizz
LSU at home
Vandy at home

I think most people could find 3 wins in there.

Remember, we won't have Butch anymore. We'd have real coaches who know how to utilize talent and win games.
 
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tbones0711 said:
Ask yourself how much Texas paid Strong for his 4 years and just last night Oregon dismissed their head coach of 4 years. I don't think anything can be predicted....too many variables to consider. As for CBJ he projected a lot of enthusiasm and had good momentum and has done good things at UT. Reminds me of a lot of small fiesty dogs, always barking and growling at me like they could tear me in half. So i'm not going to guess what CBJ is doing at this moment but I assume he's gonna be HC at UT.I think he's definitley been humbled and can't project the image he'd like. He uses the term "resilient" quite often so now is the time to practice what you preach. Keep your foot on the throttle and your hand upon the wheel. UT is UT and we'll be alright.
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How can he be humbled when he passes the buck and puts blame on anything but himself as HC? The 4 minute press conference after Vandy which to my knowledge was the last time Butch spoke to the public did not indicate humility.
 
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gunner said:
I don't want to go back to 5-7 every season, but I don't want to lose to Vandy again in the next 30 years either. Firing a winning coach is very risky business, just ask Nebraska or Georgia.

Butch is our coach, I just hope he can turn it around and win a SEC title at UT in the very near future.
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Fulmer only lost to Vandy once...but of course, Vandy only had ONE Winning season during Fulmer's tenure (and they actually beat us in a year they had a losing record)...Franklin actually made them a decent team and Mason may actually keep them competitive...I thought they were headed back to the bottom but they had a good team this year (great by Vandy standards)...they were hosed on a fumble call at Auburn or they would have won that game, too...

Things change in football...we always love to beat bama but they had a down decade (during Fulmer's tenure) when we got most of our recent wins against them...

Butch has a good core of returning talent...I love Dobbs but also look forward to a QB who is more of a true passer...from the scouting reports, we have two of those who will be fighting for the starting job...if Malone returns he could have a 1000 yard season...
 
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solivols said:
How can he be humbled when he passes the buck and puts blame on anything but himself as HC? The 4 minute press conference after Vandy which to my knowledge was the last time Butch spoke to the public did not indicate humility.
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That was a sucker move by Butch.

The equivalent of a hit and run.

Maybe Butch just doesn't have experience sticking around after an accident because he can't back into anything anyway.
 
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Volstylexx said:
And what does Michigan have to show for it? 0 appearances in their conference's chmapionship game, 0 wins against their hated rival, and 0 national championships. By Volnations own standards- he has achieved nothing.
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In 2 years he's 20-5. That's a better win % than any one of Butch's 4 years. What are you arguing here?
 
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I agree with the OP.

I don't get all the negativity on here either given that we are going to the Sugar Bo.....oooooo.....wait.

Never mind. LOL

Teams and coaches that deliver choke jobs and collapse the final half of the season against the soft part of their schedule generally gets some backlash.

It happens. Deal with it or don't get on VN or read news on the program for awhile if it's harshing your Chi that bad.
 
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BigSteve09 said:
so OP, you're saying with a more competent staff that we're going to lose to 7/9 of

GT on a neutral field
@UF
UGA at home
SC at home off of a bye
@Bama
@UK
@Mizz
LSU at home
Vandy at home

I think most people could find 3 wins in there.

Remember, we won't have Butch anymore. We'd have real coaches who know how to utilize talent and win games.
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I only see three games that we'd > 5 pt underdogs...(Bama, LSU *maybe*, FL * maybe*) in the rest we'll be favored or it will be a push). Given Shoop will have all offseason to prepare against GT, and hopefully injury free, he will not be worth his salt, if he can't shut GT down. The question will be, suppose CBJ loses those three then botches one at say UK. Can he survive another 8-4? If we were to win the East with an 9-3, 8-4, I say "yes".
 
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Glocker_Alum_2005 said:
I only see three games that we'd > 5 pt underdogs...(Bama, LSU *maybe*, FL * maybe*) in the rest we'll be favored or it will be a push). Given Shoop will have all offseason to prepare against GT, and hopefully injury free, he will not be worth his salt, if he can't shut GT down. The question will be, suppose CBJ loses those three then botches one at say UK. Can he survive another 8-4? If we were to win the East with an 9-3, 8-4, I say "yes".
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If Butch were a good coach, I think he could go 9-3 with next year's schedule. That's provided that a game we shouldn't win goes our way.
If Butch were an average coach I think he would go 8-4.
However, I've come to find that Butch is the kind of guy where he loses a game that he should win. That equates to a 7-5 season.

I think that any coach/staff worth their salt could go 6-6 or better next year. A good coach would probably come in and have an 8 or 9 win season, imo.
 
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Glocker_Alum_2005 said:
I only see three games that we'd > 5 pt underdogs...(Bama, LSU *maybe*, FL * maybe*) in the rest we'll be favored or it will be a push). Given Shoop will have all offseason to prepare against GT, and hopefully injury free, he will not be worth his salt, if he can't shut GT down. The question will be, suppose CBJ loses those three then botches one at say UK. Can he survive another 8-4? If we were to win the East with an 9-3, 8-4, I say "yes".
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If Tennessee doesent play a lot better Defense as a whole they won't beat GT. Triple option is very hard to defend if you don't play disciplined football and tackle well two things Tennessee doesent do well.

Tennessee won't beat Fl on the road with a QB whose never played a meaningful snap.

We have Georgia at home and they'll be out for blood. They returned a lot of Talent and arguably the best young QB in the league. They'll win this time.

Bama and LSU are losses

Until I see Butch beat Muschamp I'm calling it a loss.

That's 4 and Butch will find a way to lose one more.

7-5 at best
6-6 Safe bet
5-7 if things go really bad

Butch is fired if not during the season at seasons end
 
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Dudleys87 said:
TENNESSEE FOOTBALL 2017 SCHEDULE
Date Opponent
Sept. 4 vs. Georgia Tech^ L Tennessee doesent contain the edge or play discipline football.
Sept. 9 INDIANA STATE W Tennessee shouldn't even be playing this game
Sept. 16 at Florida* L As much inexperience as this team will have I don't think they have enough to win on the road
Sept. 23 UMASS W unlike Florida we beat them
Sept. 30 GEORGIA* L Georgia will be out for blood and a lot better on both sides. No miracle here.
Oct. 14 SOUTH CAROLINA* L until Butch proves he can beat Muschamp I'm chalking this up as a loss
Oct. 21 at Alabama* L and probably held to single digits or worse
Oct. 28 at Kentucky* W
Nov. 4 SOUTHERN MISS W
Nov. 11 at Missouri* W
Nov. 18 LSU* L more talent on both sides and we won't stop guice from 300+ and a heisman moment
Nov. 25 VANDERBILT* L

Butch is fired.
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gunner said:
UT has NOT been a consistent elite program since the Neyland days with the exception of 95-98 when UT went 45-5 with culmination of winning the first BCS Title in 1998.

When many in the Knoxville media understand that and stop stirring up the fan base this will be a much easier job for our head coach.
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Yes, let's shoot for being nothing more than we've ever been.


Or possibly actually try to get better....
 
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Glocker_Alum_2005 said:
I only see three games that we'd > 5 pt underdogs...(Bama, LSU *maybe*, FL * maybe*) in the rest we'll be favored or it will be a push). Given Shoop will have all offseason to prepare against GT, and hopefully injury free, he will not be worth his salt, if he can't shut GT down. The question will be, suppose CBJ loses those three then botches one at say UK. Can he survive another 8-4? If we were to win the East with an 9-3, 8-4, I say "yes".
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Butch has shown that he cannot win the east. Even with his best team.
 
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VolFreakJosh said:
This is true but Butch really ruined our chances of having a fantastic 2016 season. We should have easily won the SEC East and went 10-2 overall. What's the excuse for not accomplishing those goals? It's not like he didn't have a damn thing to work with. I think it's finally gotten to our fan's heads that we're tired of sitting around waiting for these diamond in the rough type of coaches to work some magic while Bama, Michigan, Ohio St., continues to win championships with already proven top tier coaches. You pay big money, you get great results. That's something our administration never could get through their thick skulls.
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Should have easily won the SEC east? That's silly. Winning the east will never be easy for any team. The amount of work and dedication that it takes to win the east is beyond your comprehension apparently.

Easily won the east, come on!

Get it together Josh!

Go Vols!
 
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loggervol said:
If Butch leaves, that's exactly where we'll be for the next 10 years.
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Your post is one of the more moronic posts in the last few days and that is saying something. We have a greater chance of going 5-7 next year WITH Butch vs your disaster 10 year scenario, which is quite honestly stupid.
 
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VolFreakJosh said:
Harbaugh is having way more success than Butch has had at Tennessee. Butch ain't even close to Harbaugh's level.
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What conference does he coach in???
It sure isn't even close to the sec. so try again.
 
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