Recruiting Forum Football Talk XXX

[chavisut]

Brent just gave a shoutout to a couple teams old volatil played on 88-89 Oakland teams. Runner up 2 years in a row

Ran into that Dickson County smokestack.

 

[thomaseusin]

The difference in Clowney and Garrett is that Clowney gets 4.5 sacks against ranked Clemson teams while Garrett gets 4.5 sacks against pitiful teams.

Clowney >>>>> Garrett

How's this for comparison:

Clowney had 24 sacks in his 3-year career, 13.5 coming in SEC play.

Garrett has 32.5 in his career, 12 coming in SEC play.

Garrett definitely padded his stats against the powderpuffs but it's pretty close in conference play.

But.. Derek Barnett has 31 in his career, 28 coming in SEC play!!

Barnett >>>>>>>>> Any of those clowns.

 

[volatil]

Ran into that Dickson County smokestack.

Yes we did

 

[butchna]

I wasn't talking to you that time..you're not an idiot negabutch.

Not THAT time.

 

[Bassmaster_Vol]

How's this for comparison:

Clowney had 24 sacks in his 3-year career, 13.5 coming in SEC play.

Garrett has 32.5 in his career, 12 coming in SEC play.

Garrett definitely padded his stats against the powderpuffs but it's pretty close in conference play.

But.. Derek Barnett has 31 in his career, 28 coming in SEC play!!

Barnett >>>>>>>>> Any of those clowns.

But Barnett doesn't have abs!!

 

[chavisut]

Yes we did

It wasn't only 7-0 or 14-0 right?

 

[volatil]

It wasn't only 7-0 or 14-0 right?

Testing my memory. Think it was 10-0 or 10-7.

What happened to that RB Vaughn (I think). Dude was a tank

 

[Catbone]

Butch actually won championships at his previous stops, and you guys hate him. Shortsighted losers.

Butch Jones coached at Cincinnati for 3 years and Central Michigan for 3 years. He won a total of 0 ranked games in those 6 years. He went 50-27

Tom Herman coached at Houston for 2 years. He has won a total of 6 ranked games in those 2 years. He went 22-4

 

[theutvolunteers]

SOURCES: STRONG TO BE LET GO - Texas - Scout

Texas looking to yawn less and smile more.

 

[thomaseusin]

But Barnett doesn't have abs!!

Doesn't have ABS because there's nothing that puts the brakes on this beast.

Here's another mind blowing stat:

Garrett has 48.5 TFLs, 23.5 coming in SEC play.
Clowney had 47 TFLs, 29 in the SEC play.

Barnett has 49.5 TFLs, 41 from the SEC!

 

[The Breakerboy]

Stop. Quoting. D4H.

Thank you

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

Butch Jones coached at Cincinnati for 3 years and Central Michigan for 3 years. He won a total of 0 ranked games in those 6 years. He went 50-27

Tom Herman coached at Houston for 2 years. He has won a total of 6 ranked games in those 2 years. He went 22-4

So...Butch still won conference champs 4-6 years. Herman lost to Tiger high, Death penalty U, and the Sailor academy...this year alone.

 

[SouthKnoxVOL]

Why is it that Barnett is overlooked by almost everyone in the media? I don't understand. Booger McFarland was just talking about Jonathan Allen for Bama. Was reading off some of his stats....7 sacks...13 TFLS....and then he said he was the only legitimate Heisman contender in the SEC.

I just had to laugh.

 

[Big Gucci Sosa]

Arizona State giving up 500 rushing yards to 2-9 Arizona.

 

[SpringBokVol]

Did he really publically make that comment?

His agent did and it is what McMurphy is reporting.

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

Sometimes you seem like a really good poster and other times I could swear you're a straight up troll, or negavol at best lol

When it comes to recruiting, I am definitely a negavol. Its just how I am wired

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

Lol. You can't actually believe the stuff you put on here. No way.

Garrett is not better than Clowney and he's not better than Barnett either. I'm not gonna say he doesn't get drafted higher than Barnett because guys like Garrett get drafted early every year based strictly on measurables and never live up to the hype. But I'm pretty sure Barnett will end up having a better pro career than Garrett.

We'll see. I like Barnett and hope he turns out to be the better pro. I just don't think it'll happen. Barnett simply lack the elite athleticism to dominate at the next level.

Myles Garrett in contrast is unlike anything we've ever seen. I was too young to see Bruce Smith in his prime but just going off YouTube he's the closest comparison I have for Myles Garrett. No one else comes close to Garrett's size, speed, strength, and athleticism. In a draft class of freaks, he's the freakiest.

He is IMO the no-brainer #1 pick in the 2017 draft. At the very least he'll be a perenial pro-bowler. At the most we might be looking at the best pash rushing DE of all-time.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

I think something else people forget about the Barnett/Garrett debate is durability. Garrett is injury proneand that's why I don't see him producing at the next level. He won't stay healthy enough.

Not really. He's dinged up every now and then but nothing too serious. I haven't seen him miss multiple games in row consistently.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

Per usual, he has no clue what he's talking about.

The knock on Garrett is he doesn't consistently translate his speed to power.

That's why he's projected to go #1 overall ehh?

Stop with the hate. Myles Garrett is an elite prospect. He's more physically gifted. It is what it is. Yall need to just stop with these fictional criticisms to try and prop up Barnett.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

How's this for comparison:

Clowney had 24 sacks in his 3-year career, 13.5 coming in SEC play.

Garrett has 32.5 in his career, 12 coming in SEC play.

Garrett definitely padded his stats against the powderpuffs but it's pretty close in conference play.

But.. Derek Barnett has 31 in his career, 28 coming in SEC play!!

Barnett >>>>>>>>> Any of those clowns.

If only college stats correlated to NFL success.

Too bad they don't.

Nobody is arguing about who performed better in college against SEC competition. The numbers speak for themselves. We're talking who projects better in the NFL. And those stats have no bearing on that.

If they did Derrick Henry (the all-time single season record holder in SEC history for rushing yards and TDs) wouldn't be planted on the bench.

Just because you produce the most in college doesn't mean you'll be the best in the NFL. Some of you just don't seem to get this point.

 

[avolation]

If only college stats correlated to NFL success.

Too bad they don't.

Nobody is arguing about who performed better in college against SEC competition. The numbers speak for themselves. We're talking who projects better in the NFL. And those stats have no bearing on that.

If they did Derrick Henry (the all-time single season record holder in SEC history for rushing yards and TDs) wouldn't be planted on the bench.

Just because you produce the most in college doesn't mean you'll be the best in the NFL. Some of you just don't seem to get this point.

Both are great prospects. From what I've read Garrett seems like a good clubhouse guy. Someone people and teammates are drawn too because he's a little different. Barnett is the same. Natural born leader who brings it every day. If I'm evaluating these two I think it comes down to who fits my system better not who is the better over all player or who is more athletic.

Garrett's a freak, sure, but I think one thing people miss about Barnett is his ability to hit a second gear late in games. That comes from pure determination and focus. Not sure if Garrett has that or not. Haven't seen enough of him to know.

 

[vol2002]

I think it is fascinating Tom Herman lost a game he shouldn't have in large part because he was missing a bunch of key defensive starters and some on our board once again draws all the wrong conclusions (Herman's overrated!).

Right before our eyes a universally praised coach struggled to win with back up defensive players.

I personally give Herman a big pass on yesterday's game. With scholarship limits, etc I fully understand why they lost that game.

 

[McGeesPub]

I think it is fascinating Tom Herman lost a game he shouldn't have in large part because he was missing a bunch of key defensive starters and some on our board once again draws all the wrong conclusions (Herman's overrated!).

Right before our eyes a universally praised coach struggled to win with back up defensive players.

I personally give Herman a big pass on yesterday's game. With scholarship limits, etc I fully understand why they lost that game.

Cool. I'll pass this along to Texas.

 

[Bassmaster_Vol]

I think it is fascinating Tom Herman lost a game he shouldn't have in large part because he was missing a bunch of key defensive starters and some on our board once again draws all the wrong conclusions (Herman's overrated!).

Right before our eyes a universally praised coach struggled to win with back up defensive players.

I personally give Herman a big pass on yesterday's game. With scholarship limits, etc I fully understand why they lost that game.

What?!?!? Injuries have no impact whatsoever! That's just an excuse! Herman is overrated and Shoop is terrible and we should be undefeated regardless of the injuries!

 

[WallyBalls]

Why is it that Barnett is overlooked by almost everyone in the media? I don't understand. Booger McFarland was just talking about Jonathan Allen for Bama. Was reading off some of his stats....7 sacks...13 TFLS....and then he said he was the only legitimate Heisman contender in the SEC.

I just had to laugh.

I think it's because the way writers and commentators work is changing.

Ideally, they start with a blank slate and let what happens in front of their eyes shape their opinion and color their story.

However, what happens more and more often is that they develop their own idea then interpret everything to support that idea.

Short version: confirmation bias sucks. Barnett was a nice player but not on Garrett's or Allen's level to begin with, so why be open to anything that says otherwise?