Atlanta Braves Thread (I HURT MYSELF TODAY TO SEE IF I STILL FEEL)

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Here were some advanced offensive stats before the Bama game. S&P takes into account efficiency, explosiveness, opponent and some other things. Some interesting stuff here
 

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Mr_Henley said:
There's been nothing unreasonable mentioned as far as I've read from either of you. Who are you to decide that?

Like I said to Verc, I'll concede there isn't/wasn't a better option on Saturday. I jumped the gun and I was "wrong". The issue has been when we've had some bad play calling for a couple of seasons and they are still showing up. It took Butch getting boo'd entirely too often before he went for it on 4th against UGA (Alex Ellis catch over the middle I think) and we saw a little more aggression.

My issue and sounds like with 30 also, is sometimes our offense stays too vanilla for too long and it isn't a last Saturday only problem. When Hurd was a mutant early in the year, we looked great. When we started going over the top to Malone every week and getting the wideouts involved, we looked great.

When Hurd looks human or we don't have time to get the wideouts down the field we have to have an answer. I just don't trust Butch and his OC to have the answers. I could be dead wrong. Could simply be lack of health. I think it's an offense that isn't diverse enough to utilize talent we have everywhere on offense.
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When the OL is getting destroyed as badly as ours did yesterday -- and that's as badly as I've ever seen an OL get whipped in any game of football at any level -- then there are no answers. Everything is going to fail, and anything that fails looks like a playcalling failure. If you run up the middle you're going to get one yard. If you try to run to the sideline you get chased down by Alabama's five star linebackers. If you try to throw downfield you get sacked. If you try quick short passes, then you're dinking and dunking and you're not picking up first downs. Yesterday was just a total physical asswhipping by their defense. It looked like a high school team playing sixth graders. I'm no giant fan of Jones's offense, but nothing they called yesterday would have worked.
 
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zjcvols said:
That's the thing with a HUNH. Sometimes you sacrifice complexity for for tempo. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. It looks worse when it doesn't work.

Just curious did you watch Ohio State/Wisky? For about 3 quarters the only offense OSU had was Barrett running. Ole Miss put up 300 yards in the first half last night then couldn't get across the 50. Every offense has lulls. Clemson did it too. Sometimes it just doesn't work.

Take out the App State game and this offense has been dynamite. It goes through lulls yes and without a dominant oline (which Bama has) it can be ugly. Trust me I've *****ed plenty about the offense in the past but I've seen clear differences this year from the offense and it's working. Saturday nothing would have worked with the oline.
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The problem is that in practice there hasn't been that much tempo. I'll freely admit that I am an old man who hates this offense on general principles, but I would probably hate it less if I saw us consistently sprinting to the line and putting pressure on defenses like Oregon under Kelly. But we don't really do that because we're substituting on offense all the damn time. So it feels like we're running a knockoff of the Oregon offense without the best feature of that offense. The offense has generally been good this year but I still hate it.
 
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zjcvols said:
Here were some advanced offensive stats before the Bama game. S&P takes into account efficiency, explosiveness, opponent and some other things. Some interesting stuff here
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That's extremely interesting. Looks like our offense S&P is basically the same for 3 quarters. Guess it's just we move the ball then Don't capitalize until the second half. Very interesting
 
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Vercingetorix said:
The problem is that in practice there hasn't been that much tempo. I'll freely admit that I am an old man who hates this offense on general principles, but I would probably hate it less if I saw us consistently sprinting to the line and putting pressure on defenses like Oregon under Kelly. But we don't really do that because we're substituting on offense all the damn time. So it feels like we're running a knockoff of the Oregon offense without the best feature of that offense. The offense has generally been good this year but I still hate it.
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What's funny is that this year we are substituting less and slower and it's working. We are playing our best wideouts period. That's helped. Also we added the check with me this year. We haven't done that in the past. They are letting Dobbs having a little more freedom and it's working.
 
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zjcvols said:
That's the thing with a HUNH. Sometimes you sacrifice complexity for for tempo. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. It looks worse when it doesn't work.

Just curious did you watch Ohio State/Wisky? For about 3 quarters the only offense OSU had was Barrett running. Ole Miss put up 300 yards in the first half last night then couldn't get across the 50. Every offense has lulls. Clemson did it too. Sometimes it just doesn't work.

Take out the App State game and this offense has been dynamite. It goes through lulls yes and without a dominant oline (which Bama has) it can be ugly. Trust me I've *****ed plenty about the offense in the past but I've seen clear differences this year from the offense and it's working. Saturday nothing would have worked with the oline.
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Except we seem to run plays much slower *than years past. At least the crazy WR 7+ man rotation had stopped, which does help, like you (later) said.

No, I didn't get to see Wisconsin vs Osu, I went out for supper after the TN game and then came home just in time for my 9:30 eye patch themed circle jerk.
 
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zjcvols said:
What's funny is that this year we are substituting less and slower and it's working. We are playing our best wideouts period. That's helped. Also we added the check with me this year. We haven't done that in the past. They are letting Dobbs having a little more freedom and it's working.
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Dobbs has 9 interceptions and lost 2 fumbles. He is a mixed bag. Great runner and leader, but less than average passer. If he has freedom, why doesn't he run more, especially in the first half of games?
 
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vols 30 said:
Dobbs has 9 interceptions and lost 2 fumbles. He is a mixed bag. Great runner and leader, but less than average passer. If he has freedom, why doesn't he run more, especially in the first half of games?
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My guess is to protect him in the second half
 
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I still think that if Dobbs doesn't get 10-15 designed runs a game then there's no point having him in there. Especially now that he's turning the ball over so much.

I'm no expert but it sure looks to me like the strategy against Tennessee's zone read now is for the end to just force the handoff most of the time and take Dobbs's running mostly out of the game.
 
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Vercingetorix said:
I still think that if Dobbs doesn't get 10-15 designed runs a game then there's no point having him in there. Especially now that he's turning the ball over so much.

I'm no expert but it sure looks to me like the strategy against Tennessee's zone read now is for the end to just force the handoff most of the time and take Dobbs's running mostly out of the game.
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That's just the thing. If the o-line can't get a push, there's no need for the DE to cheat inside to help out and nowhere for Dobbs to run out the backside. And we've got next to no vertical passing game to back off the Safeties, so all the screens, sweeps and sideways crap has no chance of working consistently either. It's a doomed offense in its present form against a good defense.
 
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GAVol said:
That's just the thing. If the o-line can't get a push, there's no need for the DE to cheat inside to help out and nowhere for Dobbs to run out the backside. And we've got next to no vertical passing game to back off the Safeties, so all the screens, sweeps and sideways crap has no chance of working consistently either. It's a doomed offense in its present form against a good defense.
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Teams finishing in the AP Top 10 while running an offense similar to ours. Lots of Heisman type QBs. Very few that weren't. Speaks to your point. The system needs superman to win games against comparable talent at a decent clip. While having a monster at QB is always a plus, it is at a premium in this offense. Those guys don't exactly grow on trees.

2009:
Ohio State - Pryor
Florida - Tebow

2010:
Auburn - Cam
Oregon - Thomas
Ohio State - Pryor

2011:
Oregon - Thomas

2012:
Oregon - Mariota
AM - Manziel

2013:
Auburn - Marshall - Bad
Clemson - Boyd
Oregon - Mariota

2014:
Ohio State - Miller, Barrett, Jones
Oregon - Mariota
TCU - Boykin
Baylor - Petty - Beat up on poor teams

2015:
Clemson - Watson
Ohio State - Barrett
Oklahoma - Mayfield
TCU - Boykin
Houston - Ward
Ole Miss - Kelly
 
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I'm beginning to think the curse is real. This was the year to make hay, and all this happens. Still should be 10-2 and a trip to Atlanta.
 
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