2016 Election Thread Part Deux

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carlos86 said:
It's amazing that people haven't asked which documents are real and which ones are fake. That's Russian intel proxies do.
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This is the biggest issue with cyber operations short of cyberwarfare. We have no way of knowing what is real from what isn't.

I have a theory that what we're currently experiencing is the same as the French and German troops who encountered one another with machine guns for the first time in the 1914 Lowlands.

Eventually, this will all start to make sense. But, for now, it all seems like some sort of bizarre Sci-Fi.
 
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GAVol said:
It's all about pandering to donors for sure. But the argument is illogical..... trying to preserve Republican majorities to combat Hillary by conceding the Presidency to Hillary.
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Trump has already conceded the presidency to Hillary. I can't blame them for trying to preserve the other branches. However, I don't think it will work like they want it to.
 
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volprof said:
This is the biggest issue with cyber operations short of cyberwarfare. We have no way of knowing what is real from what isn't.

I have a theory that what we're currently experiencing is the same as the French and German troops who encountered one another with machine guns for the first time in the 1914 Lowlands.

Eventually, this will all start to make sense. But, for now, it all seems like some sort of bizarre Sci-Fi.
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The first indication that at least some of the wikileaks documents are real is the subjects are saying they won't comment on the authenticity and instead are saying this is all about Russia trying to control the election. If they can't bring themselves to deny the contents are legit I have no reason to believe they are not legit.
 
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UTCVol said:
Trump has already conceded the presidency to Hillary. I can't blame them for trying to preserve the other branches. However, I don't think it will work like they want it to.
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It's a weird dynamic - a blowout win for Hillary increases the potential damage to the GOP in down ballot races. However, as a large blowout becomes inevitable the Dem voters who already don't like Hillary are less motivated to turn out.

I doubt the House will really be in play though the Senate could flip.

I do think we'll have 1) historic low turnout and 2) historic low % of popular vote to the winner.

EDIT - I see Bill had 43% of the vote in 1992. Hillary might be able to beat that.
 
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volinbham said:
I doubt the House will really be in play though the Senate could flip.
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The thing about that is the Republicans were going to be vulnerable to a Senate flip just due to the inordinate number of seats they're defending this cycle, but now they've got an automatic narrative to blame it on when it happens.
 
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DancingOutlaw said:
So which is it? The Russians are expert hackers or the Russians are just liars making fake documents?
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I'm kind of surprised the way Democrats have rolled over as far as the validity of the hacked documents. I would've expected them to claim at least SOMETHING is fake.
 
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GAVol said:
The thing about that is the Republicans were going to be vulnerable to a Senate flip just due to the inordinate number of seats they're defending this cycle, but now they've got an automatic narrative to blame it on when it happens.
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It's just as bad for democrats in '18. They're defending 25 seats to the republicans 8.
 
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DancingOutlaw said:
So which is it? The Russians are expert hackers or the Russians are just liars making fake documents?
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Both. That's what they are good at. That's why the Russians are know for dezinformatsiya and Maskirovka (deception). We also know that Trump quoted a fake email that was a supposed Clinton email that had a conversation that was copied and pasted into the email. We know this because the original email came out a couple months ago.
 
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GAVol said:
Because I don't think they can get the turnout without motivating people to show up for the top of the ticket.
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1) The top of the ticket is killing then down ballot.

2) This is also a long-term strategy move. Trump is absolutely killing the what little positive brand image and coalition the GOP had left. Trying to distance themselves and the image of the party from Trump is a wise move for the coming years.
 
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PKT_VOL said:
1) The top of the ticket is killing then down ballot.

2) This is also a long-term strategy move. Trump is absolutely killing the what little positive brand image and coalition the GOP had left. Trying to distance themselves and the image of the party from Trump is a wise move for the coming years.
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When you see a trumper punch them in the balls for giving the senate to the Dems.
 
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PKT_VOL said:
1) The top of the ticket is killing then down ballot.

2) This is also a long-term strategy move. Trump is absolutely killing the what little positive brand image and coalition the GOP had left. Trying to distance themselves and the image of the party from Trump is a wise move for the coming years.
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The GOP needs to be burned to the ground and rebuilt. The Dems offer their crowd free stuff - rich and poor on the backs of the middle. The GOP lets the Dems do it and provides their own breaks to the rich - on the backs of the middle. The middle class need someone representing them, and it certainly isn't going to be the Dems. Trump is the middle class thumb in the GOP eyes.
 
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AM64 said:
The GOP needs to be burned to the ground and rebuilt. The Dems offer their crowd free stuff - rich and poor on the backs of the middle. The GOP lets the Dems do it and provides their own breaks to the rich - on the backs of the middle. The middle class need someone representing them, and it certainly isn't going to be the Dems. Trump is the middle class thumb in the GOP eyes.
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A man who isn't middle class, never was middle class and could give a damn about the middle class is going to represent the middle class???? 🤔
 
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volfanhill said:
When you see a trumper punch them in the balls for giving the senate to the Dems.
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Sorry, the GOP deserves nothing; they've sold out their constituency year after year, election after election. There is eventual retribution for promises never kept.

The GOP really set it in motion this year with their ridiculous inability to find a half way reasonable candidate, and last time with Romney was only marginally a less stupid selection. One pompous, arrogant ass - an outsider who outdoes Biden as a gaffe machine; and an arrogant, pompous ass who was so far outside the identity zone that he might as well have come from a different planet. And guess what; next cycle most of the seven dwarfs (warts and all) will be back contending for dunce of the election.

The GOP doesn't need enemies; they have themselves. Find a candidate more like the bulk of the constituents with the interests of the constituents - like jobs in this country for citizens of this country for starters, and they could be on to something. But for now the GOP is simply the definition of clueless.
 
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A majority of the people here who run down trump and ponder how could the GOP elect such a buffoon would be saying the same thing if Ted Cruz, for example, were the candidate.

I have a long history here of not favoring Trump, but I've been through enough elections to know any other candidate would be fighting similar battles.

Trump's biggest issue is that he's running as a Republican. Not anything he says or does.
 
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Do you guys think Trump going after Bill and Hillary's treatment of the women is a smart idea or should he try and turn this around by talking about actual policy issues???
 
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carlos86 said:
A man who isn't middle class, never was middle class and could give a damn about the middle class is going to represent the middle class???? 🤔
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Nope, and neither was Romney or a Bush or any of the seven dwarfs. Reagan was willing to trickle down their legs and tell everyone it was liquid gold - he was an actor after all. As a matter of fact, the Dems aren't running anyone really middle class either - they just have another agenda and a class of people who believe in them because they get free stuff. Mr Smith doesn't go to Washington - doesn't work that way. And won't until the electorate wakes the hell up - and that's not happening.
 
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Sin City Vol said:
Do you guys think Trump going after Bill and Hillary's treatment of the women is a smart idea or should he try and turn this around by talking about actual policy issues???
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I think he should absolutely punch back at Hillary if he's attacked for it. But he will get a lot more productivity by sticking to the issues, pointing out current failures/underperforming areas, and tying Hillary to the policies.
 
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