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Can someone explain why when we are chasing the opponent down the sideline in a route, that we never turn our head to look back for the ball? Is this something that is being taught, and if so why would you not turn you're head when the offense is about to catch the ball. Seems to me the defender should be able to read the eyes of the opponent and know when the ball is getting close. But we almost never look back at all, and it hurts us on big plays. Maybe someone can explain this to me. GO VOLS
 
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Can someone explain why when we are chasing the opponent down the sideline in a route, that we never turn our head to look back for the ball? Is this something that is being taught, and if so why would you not turn you're head when the offense is about to catch the ball. Seems to me the defender should be able to read the eyes of the opponent and know when the ball is getting close. But we almost never look back at all, and it hurts us on big plays. Maybe someone can explain this to me. GO VOLS

Well Foreman turned around to look for the ball, and we saw how that turned out.
 
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when you're chasing, at full speed and the WR has a 1/2 step or better, it's almost impossible to get your head around to the point where you're truly going for the ball, while at the same time running at a speed fast enough to try and close the gap.

that mistake happens at the line of scrimmage, either having your hips turned the wrong way or the WR running a better route and getting you out of position. recovery speed is difficult to find, especially if the ball is thrown in such a way that the receiver doesn't have to slow down to adjust to it, like we saw on GA's last TD pass. it was a really perfect throw, hit the guy in stride, our DB, once out of position had no shot.
 
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Its not an easy thing to do. I played it in high school and your main tip off that a ball is coming your way is the receivers eyes get big. I would imagine these guys in college hide it until the last second.
 
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Can someone explain why when we are chasing the opponent down the sideline in a route, that we never turn our head to look back for the ball? Is this something that is being taught, and if so why would you not turn you're head when the offense is about to catch the ball. Seems to me the defender should be able to read the eyes of the opponent and know when the ball is getting close. But we almost never look back at all, and it hurts us on big plays. Maybe someone can explain this to me. GO VOLS

Easier said than done. It is nearly impossible to run full speed and look back people who can do this make big money on Sunday. Defenders look back when they catch up to the reciever. If they look back they slow down. That is why if the reciever has a step on the defender it is a big deal. Even if the ball is not thrown perfect the defender can't turn and get it.
 
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Refs gonna call face guarding , DBs must at least look like they're playing the ball, learn to sale it .
 
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I thought "Serious D" was gonna be a question about a rapper?
 
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Can someone explain why when we are chasing the opponent down the sideline in a route, that we never turn our head to look back for the ball? Is this something that is being taught, and if so why would you not turn you're head when the offense is about to catch the ball. Seems to me the defender should be able to read the eyes of the opponent and know when the ball is getting close. But we almost never look back at all, and it hurts us on big plays. Maybe someone can explain this to me. GO VOLS
hey kingsport ! i'm in bristol and i have been thinking about this for quite sometime. it's really a debatable topic for sure and something that needs to be corrected. all this info is my opinion and taught me by a good secondary coach long ago. good cornerbacks are hard to find. 1st if a wide-out is lined up on the QB's left the CB should line-up or jam the reciever on the LOS on short yardage situations. line up outside the receiver so as to keep him in front of you so you can see the ball in flight by only turning your head no more than 45 degrees. the CB will not have to turn his body in this way. this is great in defending the deep ball but at the same time will put the CB at a disadvantage if the WR chooses to run an inside route which is far more likely. to remedy that the CB needs to cheat a few steps inside which actually puts the CB out of position only if a deep route is to be run. any turning should take place almost immediately after the snap. i prefer the tight line-up where the CB is right up on top of the WR pre-snap because it sends a message,(mental), that the CB is superior. when you see a CB lined up 3 yds. deep, that mental message becomes one of the CB respecting the WR's speed or deep threat and that appears to be dominant way of lining up. spurrier comes to mind the most when i think of what's called "the quick slant." i personally would never concede this easy route and to stop it is to line-up inside and bump on the LOS. with all this in mind,you actually have a game within a game. it's not feasible to put our best defender on their best reciever because it interrupts the ability to change defensive schemes and leads to confusion in the secondary. UT was in cover two on eason's deep pass this past saturday but i'm not buying into it. abernathy was supposed to rotate over and give foreman help on the deep ball.more on that later. gaulden got lucky and put his hand up while he had his back to the play, and got a piece of and under-thrown ball. i say he was "out of position" and this leads to an argument. like you, anytime i see these defenders with there back to the play i feel they are out of position and this leads me to feel also that they are not being coached properly. it is probably the most difficult position to play because it requires a lot of athletic ability and immediate instinctive ability at once. the bottom line,to me, would be to get in good position,(keeping the WR in front of you between you and the QB), ASAP. this prevents the need for that last split-second attempt to get turned around and find the ball also,which is virtually impossible. then add to the mix a slightly under-thrown ball and the WR has to stop or slow down and the DB who has his back to the play isn't aware and 99% of the time you see defensive pass interference called. that is the correct call. my opinion is that because,like you, i see this occur far too often from UT's defenders our players are not being coached properly and the adjustment,(getting from inside position to outside position), is by no means anything easy to teach much less accomplish because of the many variables involved. i feel most CB's are naturally gifted for that position. UT needs to definitely improve in this area and it's currently a weakness as is our linebackers,due mostly to injuries. Opposing OC's are going to attack us and Lame Kiffen is coming to town.
 
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hey kingsport ! i'm in bristol and i have been thinking about this for quite sometime. it's really a debatable topic for sure and something that needs to be corrected. all this info is my opinion and taught me by a good secondary coach long ago. good cornerbacks are hard to find. 1st if a wide-out is lined up on the QB's left the CB should line-up or jam the reciever on the LOS on short yardage situations. line up outside the receiver so as to keep him in front of you so you can see the ball in flight by only turning your head no more than 45 degrees. the CB will not have to turn his body in this way. this is great in defending the deep ball but at the same time will put the CB at a disadvantage if the WR chooses to run an inside route which is far more likely. to remedy that the CB needs to cheat a few steps inside which actually puts the CB out of position only if a deep route is to be run. any turning should take place almost immediately after the snap. i prefer the tight line-up where the CB is right up on top of the WR pre-snap because it sends a message,(mental), that the CB is superior. when you see a CB lined up 3 yds. deep, that mental message becomes one of the CB respecting the WR's speed or deep threat and that appears to be dominant way of lining up. spurrier comes to mind the most when i think of what's called "the quick slant." i personally would never concede this easy route and to stop it is to line-up inside and bump on the LOS. with all this in mind,you actually have a game within a game. it's not feasible to put our best defender on their best reciever because it interrupts the ability to change defensive schemes and leads to confusion in the secondary. UT was in cover two on eason's deep pass this past saturday but i'm not buying into it. abernathy was supposed to rotate over and give foreman help on the deep ball.more on that later. gaulden got lucky and put his hand up while he had his back to the play, and got a piece of and under-thrown ball. i say he was "out of position" and this leads to an argument. like you, anytime i see these defenders with there back to the play i feel they are out of position and this leads me to feel also that they are not being coached properly. it is probably the most difficult position to play because it requires a lot of athletic ability and immediate instinctive ability at once. the bottom line,to me, would be to get in good position,(keeping the WR in front of you between you and the QB), ASAP. this prevents the need for that last split-second attempt to get turned around and find the ball also,which is virtually impossible. then add to the mix a slightly under-thrown ball and the WR has to stop or slow down and the DB who has his back to the play isn't aware and 99% of the time you see defensive pass interference called. that is the correct call. my opinion is that because,like you, i see this occur far too often from UT's defenders our players are not being coached properly and the adjustment,(getting from inside position to outside position), is by no means anything easy to teach much less accomplish because of the many variables involved. i feel most CB's are naturally gifted for that position. UT needs to definitely improve in this area and it's currently a weakness as is our linebackers,due mostly to injuries. Opposing OC's are going to attack us and Lame Kiffen is coming to town.
i think most college DB's fall in to this category. you're right, DB is one of the most difficult positions to play, there's a lot going on at once, and being able to understand tendencies, down and distance, and having the athletic ability to recover (let's face it, that's important...after all the WR knows where he's going, the DB doesn't) is extremely important, and rare.

justin martin for example has all the measurables, and "looks" the part, but as we've seen, even as gifted as athlete he may be, he struggled mightily. technique, position and understanding what you see at pre snap is vital.
 
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Can someone explain why when we are chasing the opponent down the sideline in a route, that we never turn our head to look back for the ball? Is this something that is being taught, and if so why would you not turn you're head when the offense is about to catch the ball. Seems to me the defender should be able to read the eyes of the opponent and know when the ball is getting close. But we almost never look back at all, and it hurts us on big plays. Maybe someone can explain this to me. GO VOLS
There is no serous questions or answers inn vN.. only wags
 
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Can someone explain why when we are chasing the opponent down the sideline in a route, that we never turn our head to look back for the ball? Is this something that is being taught, and if so why would you not turn you're head when the offense is about to catch the ball. Seems to me the defender should be able to read the eyes of the opponent and know when the ball is getting close. But we almost never look back at all, and it hurts us on big plays. Maybe someone can explain this to me. GO VOLS
it's an accepted method if you are out of position to "read the reciever's eyes", but there are too many variables to this also. these things are occurring very fast. best to attempt to learn to stay outside the reciever the deeper he runs a route.
 
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it's an accepted method if you are out of position to "read the reciever's eyes", but there are too many variables to this also. these things are occurring very fast. best to attempt to learn to stay outside the reciever the deeper he runs a route.

as much as i hate it, i agree. especially if the DB in question doesn't have that athletic ability, and instincts mentioned above. it at least gives you the opportunity to make a tackle or break on the ball.

the good news is there are but a handful of qb's out there that really can drop dimes to a WR in stride making almost any coverage null and void. many times WR's have to slow down, jump or simply wait on the ball to get there, giving the DB an opportunity to recover and make a play.

that, and we benefit from a good pass rush, also affecting the QB's ability to get off a good throw.
 
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Refs gonna call face guarding , DBs must at least look like they're playing the ball, learn to sale it .
Face guarding is legal in College.
At the college level, the rule requires contact. “Contact” is specifically mentioned in all descriptions of pass interference in Rule 7 of the NCAA manual.
 
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i think most college DB's fall in to this category. you're right, DB is one of the most difficult positions to play, there's a lot going on at once, and being able to understand tendencies, down and distance, and having the athletic ability to recover (let's face it, that's important...after all the WR knows where he's going, the DB doesn't) is extremely important, and rare.

justin martin for example has all the measurables, and "looks" the part, but as we've seen, even as gifted as athlete he may be, he struggled mightily. technique, position and understanding what you see at pre snap is vital.
knowing the opponents tendencies is huge. this weeks opponent, Tex A-M, is loaded with talented recievers. i guess buchanan is going to be expected to rise to the occasion. without sutton, we are going to have to endure these growing pains. just hope we can stop their running game cause Knight is a running threat for real. This, to me, is a real test as to UT's true character. we can't,as a team, afford to make the kind of errors that we have been making cause that will lead to us being blown out and i don't know what impact that will have on us down the road. a good,hard fought battle with few injuries would be good for us even if we were to lose. i expected Tex A-M to look a lot better at SC this past week than they actually did. i can't help but feel they are saving something for us.
 
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Bottom line is guys that have to guard receivers are always going to be at a disadvantage with the way the rules are catered to the offense. You can't touch a guy after 5 yards down the field and with the speed that some of these receivers have in today's game it almost makes it really unfair to those guys. You make one wrong step or lose half a step and you are beat. I have a profound amount of respect for DBs because of this. It is probably the hardest position to play in football.
 
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knowing the opponents tendencies is huge. this weeks opponent, Tex A-M, is loaded with talented recievers. i guess buchanan is going to be expected to rise to the occasion. without sutton, we are going to have to endure these growing pains. just hope we can stop their running game cause Knight is a running threat for real. This, to me, is a real test as to UT's true character. we can't,as a team, afford to make the kind of errors that we have been making cause that will lead to us being blown out and i don't know what impact that will have on us down the road. a good,hard fought battle with few injuries would be good for us even if we were to lose. i expected Tex A-M to look a lot better at SC this past week than they actually did. i can't help but feel they are saving something for us.
agreed, and they had 4 starters, 3 on offense, 1 on defense, not even make the trip to Columbia. i expect all 4 back this week, and it will be a much different aTm team we'll see.

agree also that mistakes have to be at an all season low. and we need aTm to maybe make a few of their own.... this is not the type of team you come back on 3 scores down. they have the defense to keep us down.

conversely, they haven't seen an offense like ours. in all honesty, these two teams kind of mirror each other, with aTm maybe having an overall talent/depth advantage, even if only slightly. biggest advantage they have is their O line...they've really gotten better.

i think the spread at 6.5 is about right, its at their place, and everything points to us getting our first loss.

we're going to need every bit of that character and resiliency to pull out a w this weekend. this is a tough match up for us. especially having the defensive injuries we have.

my hope against hope is that we get Dkjr and Maybin back for Bama. i'm not giving up on the aTm game, but i won't be shocked if we do in fact lose. by far the best team top to bottom we've played so far this year. then we play the #1 team in the country. tough draw to say the least.

man, if we could split these next two, that'd be huge.
 
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When I played we were taught to not turn to look for the ball until the receiver does and when he turns his head the first that should happen is your inside arm goes up. If you think about the reaction times this is what you're seeing happen, the DB is always gonna be behind the action especially with well-coached receivers; they are going to run through their route and only look for the ball at the last second for a couple different reasons -- first being the obvious: to keep the DB from tracking the ball until the last second, but there's also the fact that you want running plays (where you aren't blocking obv) and decoy routes to look the same as routes where you are the intended target.
 
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