UK Stoops Has A 15 Million Dollar Buyout

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Cats gonna dip into the bball fund to fire him? They really have no option other than to do it IMO but wow who approved that deal?
 
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VolnJC said:
Cats gonna dip into the bball fund to fire him? They really have no option other than to do it IMO but wow who approved that deal?
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Basketball season ticket donors are going to take a big hit if that happens
 
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Who did they think they hired?

Anyway, if he has a 15 million dollar buyout, Stoops will be there for a while.
 
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Stoops hanging around the program as a dead man walking for another year or two will turn UK into Kansas football.

It's like a self-imposed death penalty. Imagine if we had been stuck with Dooley through 2014. Tons of players would transfer, recruiting would tank to unimaginable depths, and the team would flat out quit trying even during cupcake games.

If the team finishes 4-8 or worse, OR just flat out appears to have quit on Stoops, I think they have to find a way to pony up the money to fire him. They will have less than 10,000 fans at home games next season if they don't.
 
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It cost nothing for him to leave for another school...so maybe we slip Bob a check to take Marky off our hands.
 
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I have trouble believing the $15 million figure. Kentucky's AD should be sacked first. Doesn't the buyout number go down every year? That 15 would have been the first year buyout or somesuch? He should have gotten about 1/4 of that.
 
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Kentucky has a choice here. Pay the buyout in any way you can to get rid of the guy who's obviously not getting it done as a head coach? Or start out new and throw the bank at a proven head coach in hopes for him to bring UK football back to a respectful level? Sounds like a complicated situation to be in but when your one of the bottom dwellers of the SEC year & year out, you have to do SOMETHING instead of just accepting for who you are.
 
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armchair said:
I have trouble believing the $15 million figure. Kentucky's AD should be sacked first. Doesn't the buyout number go down every year? That 15 would have been the first year buyout or somesuch? He should have gotten about 1/4 of that.
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Go back to when he got it.

We were in the midst of starting 5-1 in year two. For where the program was coming from; imploding from Joker's terrible recruiting and incompetence as a HC it was miles and miles better. Even VN was having a few rumbles how UK was a lot better, and possibly even pose a threat in their game. Stoops recruited better than anyone every thought possible. Facilities are now comparable to anywhere in the country. Support was at a peak level, and the stadium renovated. Massive moment for the program when we were 5-1, seconds from being 6-0.

Obviously the wheels fell off and we finish 5-7. Sad, but in reality we were a 5-6 win team on paper. Stoops deserved a raise, maybe not a massive one like he got, but he deserved some credit for overseeing one of the best upgrades this athletic program has ever seen. It had already been talked that Stoops would jump to a better job if he had success. Obviously our AD liked Mark, and wanted to lock him down. On paper we really should be a 6 win team, but we're being held back by stupid mistakes.

Hindsight makes it look like a moronic choice. I think it was a bit extreme, but I can't really say Mark didn't deserve it based off how we looked at 5-1 in 2014.
 
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armchair said:
I have trouble believing the $15 million figure. Kentucky's AD should be sacked first. Doesn't the buyout number go down every year? That 15 would have been the first year buyout or somesuch? He should have gotten about 1/4 of that.
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not sure but Hyams reported it today. He also said that Les Miles is still 10 million.
 
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I thought somebody put up ahwile back that it was 12 million. Not that its that much sifferent but 3 mil is 3 mil.
 
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I think he has to make it to a bowl to keep his job (which is still possible), but I'm curious where exactly their sense of expectation is coming from. They have not made it to a bowl game since the 2010 season and have not won a bowl game since the 2008 season.

They gave a ton of money to a guy who had never been a HC before and had never coached in the SEC before. Kentucky is an extremely difficult place to recruit and win. It is not a highly sought after job by top tier coaches. What exactly are they expecting...7, 8, 9 win seasons? They should be grateful simply to be in contention for bowl games.
 
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05_never_again said:
I think he has to make it to a bowl to keep his job (which is still possible), but I'm curious where exactly their sense of expectation is coming from. They have not made it to a bowl game since the 2010 season and have not won a bowl game since the 2008 season.

They gave a ton of money to a guy who had never been a HC before and had never coached in the SEC before. Kentucky is an extremely difficult place to recruit and win. It is not a highly sought after job by top tier coaches. What exactly are they expecting...7, 8, 9 win seasons? They should be grateful simply to be in contention for bowl games.
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The only possible way I could see Barnhart pulling the trigger at the end of this season is if UK looks awful this week against a very bad NMSU team and even the most loyal Stoops supporters bail to the point that there is no one in the stands for their next home game in Commonwealth. At that point the loss of revenue for the rest of the season, plus the risk of very low season ticket sales for 2017, might cause MB to realize the $12m might be the least expensive way to go.
 
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Crazy Ivan said:
The only possible way I could see Barnhart pulling the trigger at the end of this season is if UK looks awful this week against a very bad NMSU team and even the most loyal Stoops supporters bail to the point that there is no one in the stands for their next home game in Commonwealth. At that point the loss of revenue for the rest of the season, plus the risk of very low season ticket sales for 2017, might cause MB to realize the $12m might be the least expensive way to go.
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I wonder who they would hire if they fired Stoops though? They were (somehow) able to pull a good recruiter and national championship-winning defensive coordinator but the best he's been able to do is 5-7.

No good current HC or rising coordinator is going to be attracted to that job. Kentucky is just not an easy place to recruit or win at all.
 
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05_never_again said:
I wonder who they would hire if they fired Stoops though? They were (somehow) able to pull a good recruiter and national championship-winning defensive coordinator but the best he's been able to do is 5-7.

No good current HC or rising coordinator is going to be attracted to that job. Kentucky is just not an easy place to recruit or win at all.
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I don't think UK has many options other than coordinators and old coaches trying to extend their careers a few years such as Brooks. Not many hot young coaches such as Herman and Fuentes are going to be that interested in a school like UK other than using it as a stepping stone. But with the way schools fire HCs these days those 'hot' coaches can usually wait a season or 2 for a good job to open rather than taking jobs at schools like UK and Vandy.

And for UK, I think in the end that Barnhart will not make a move this season unless boosters force his hand. UK is still a relatively young team. I expect he will take the conservative/economical route and wait a season, hoping that Stoops, who like all first time HCs on a learning curve, will get better and the young team will improve.

Unfortunately for UK, unless they get homegrown talent, it is very hard for them to recruit SEC-caliber kids on the OL and DL, and those positions tend to define you in the SEC.
 
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Crazy Ivan said:
I don't think UK has many options other than coordinators and old coaches trying to extend their careers a few years such as Brooks. Not many hot young coaches such as Herman and Fuentes are going to be that interested in a school like UK other than using it as a stepping stone. But with the way schools fire HCs these days those 'hot' coaches can usually wait a season or 2 for a good job to open rather than taking jobs at schools like UK and Vandy.

And for UK, I think in the end that Barnhart will not make a move this season unless boosters force his hand. UK is still a relatively young team. I expect he will take the conservative/economical route and wait a season, hoping that Stoops, who like all first time HCs on a learning curve, will get better and the young team will improve.

Unfortunately for UK, unless they get homegrown talent, it is very hard for them to recruit SEC-caliber kids on the OL and DL, and those positions tend to define you in the SEC.
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That's a good point with that bolded part. I was kind of surprised Stoops took the Kentucky job in the first place. He comes from a well-known pedigree and had just won a national title being the DC for a very good defense. I wonder if Kentucky was the first call he got about a HC job, and I also wonder if he wishes he stayed put until he got a better opportunity. It's pretty clear that's what Kirby Smart was doing, and look where he ended up.

I was also a little surprised Fuente took the VT job. VT is a much better job than Kentucky, but the ACC is a 2-team conference at the moment and the program got stagnant under Beamer. He was a hot name after what he did at Memphis and I also wonder if he could have held out for somewhere better.
 
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05_never_again said:
That's a good point with that bolded part. I was kind of surprised Stoops took the Kentucky job in the first place. He comes from a well-known pedigree and had just won a national title being the DC for a very good defense. I wonder if Kentucky was the first call he got about a HC job, and I also wonder if he wishes he stayed put until he got a better opportunity. It's pretty clear that's what Kirby Smart was doing, and look where he ended up.

I was also a little surprised Fuente took the VT job. VT is a much better job than Kentucky, but the ACC is a 2-team conference at the moment and the program got stagnant under Beamer. He was a hot name after what he did at Memphis and I also wonder if he could have held out for somewhere better.
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He probably could have, but there are some things that makes that an attractive job for the right coach.

1) VT does have some history as a solid program and the right coach could probably have even more success than Beamer did.

2) One of the most respected DC names in the business came with the job, assuming Fuentes wanted to retain Foster, and he was wise enough to do so.

3) The state of Virginia produces some pretty good recruits every year and his main instate completion is UV, which is not a traditional football power.

4) The ACC is a Power 5 conference, but not overloaded with power schools, so much easier to win the conference.

5) ACC in the process of setting up its own TV network, so money for the AD should increase exponentially over the next few years.

So the job could end up being a job he could stay at if he does well.
 
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UK stays on top in b-ball because they pay big bucks t hire the best talent available as HC/staff, have top facilities, and have built a tradition for winning.

UK stays on the bottom in football because they have neither top facilities or a tradition for winning. They hire mediocre coach/staff and pay them more than they are worth because of the lack of tradition and facilities. The only way out of it is a long term commitment. They have to hire a true blue football guy who can build the relationships in the HS ranks in KY, OH, southern IN and IL. This same coach is going to have to get his share of good jucos. This coach is going to have to commit to redshirting every freshman possible and hire the best S&C guy around. Then this coach is going to commit to the defensive side of the ball and special teams - something UK never does. A little Gen. Neyland would help them. Then the AD is going to have to commit to this coach for at least 8-10 years. During that time Petrino will probably have done something else that's stupid or moved on from Louisville.

Or the AD can just blow it off. Which is basically what has been happening all along.
 
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