Third and shoop

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OP did have one good line there folks which I like:

"The Vols are coming and hell’s coming with ‘em!!!"

BRAVO!!
 
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It's hard to tell how Chavis would have done here without top shelf defensive talent to work with. I don't think he was ever a great recruiter but could be wrong. Those 90s UT defenses and later defenses at LSU were stacked from top to bottom. I think he benefited a lot from the talent others went out and recruited. It allowed him to be conservative and predictable.

I think that is why there is such excitement with Shoop. Here's a guy that has a proven track record of making it work everywhere he's been despite the talent. He's a wildcard risk taker that throws all sorts of different stuff at offenses. Doing that with the talent available to him now is a recipe for something spectacular. I have a feeling we will see many amazing defensive calls that make opposing offenses look ridiculous, but along the line it will be marred by a few random big plays given up. Just the nature of being a risk taking, in your face, blitzing defense. On balance though, this has the makings for an epic defensive year.
 
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rjd970 said:
It's hard to tell how Chavis would have done here without top shelf defensive talent to work with. I don't think he was ever a great recruiter but could be wrong. Those 90s UT defenses and later defenses at LSU were stacked from top to bottom. I think he benefited a lot from the talent others went out and recruited. It allowed him to be conservative and predictable.

I think that is why there is such excitement with Shoop. Here's a guy that has a proven track record of making it work everywhere he's been despite the talent. He's a wildcard risk taker that throws all sorts of different stuff at offenses. Doing that with the talent available to him now is a recipe for something spectacular. I have a feeling we will see many amazing defensive calls that make opposing offenses look ridiculous, but along the line it will be marred by a few random big plays given up. Just the nature of being a risk taking, in your face, blitzing defense. On balance though, this has the makings for an epic defensive year.
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I agree in large part. Top shelf talent allows for conservative plans. The game "comes to that team" so to speak. Saban has a similar method. He is not a strategic mastermind. He's rather boring in this playbook. But it works because of the incredible talent he recruits.
 
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We Vols fans (including myself) are the biggest critics when it comes to our coaching staff. Chief was a great DC, but yes, he did play conservative at times. Sometimes it worked out some times it didn't! I still to this day cringe at the thoughts of a David Green led UGA team, that easily went down the field to beat us in our house on the last play of the game, right after we just went ahead.

Conservative or Aggressive are both a gamble and it is the DC's JOB to make the right gamble. I just hope Shoop's luck is on our side! All the pieces are set in place! The game plan just needs to put it all together. GBO
 
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ALLVOL 4LIFE said:
We Vols fans (including myself) are the biggest critics when it comes to our coaching staff. Chief was a great DC, but yes, he did play conservative at times. Sometimes it worked out some times it didn't! I still to this day cringe at the thoughts of a David Green led UGA team, that easily went down the field to beat us in our house on the last play of the game, right after we just went ahead.

Conservative or Aggressive are both a gamble and it is the DC's JOB to make the right gamble. I just hope Shoop's luck is on our side! All the pieces are set in place! The game plan just needs to put it all together. GBO
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I dont care what level of football you play or coach at, with a minute or so on the clock leading by a score or less, you simply cannot leave a decent QB the ability to roll out at his leisure and complete outs at 7 yards undefended. You get beat most of the time when do, you expect the other team to beat themselves, and good teams will not do that, they will beat you given the opportunity.
 
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I'll ask all on the thread. Name me one coach or team who doesn't have or use a prevent. Bama does, tOSU does, as well as Clemson and FSU. Every team in the NFL do as well and yes the Patriots absolutely use the prevent as well. Uneducated (about the game) fans cry and scream and think prevent doesn't work. But the #'s say it works and therefore all coaches us it.
Idiot fans only remember the relatively few times it doesn't work.
 
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The season needs to hurry up and start before we start challenging each other in the circle of life.
 
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Dang, If UT would have retained the chief, Then maybe coach Derek Dooley's job would have lasted longer. Best of both worlds?????? No Coach Butch Jones, AND not this team 120 to be excited about. Things are what they are, live for the future and don't dwell in the past.... Just saying, and not slamming anyone.
Go Vols !!!!
 
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Loved Chief and nothing will ever take away from that, but we're still riding Butch for not going for two against Florida. How about a game that would have sent us to the BCS Championship game, where we had two future 1st round DTs and knocked out our opponent's starting QB? Couldn't adjust to the backup QB basically keeping it every other play? Same year as The Drive by David Greene & Co (also known as the Hobnail Boot game).
 
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volfanhill said:
*****ing about 3rd and Chavis exposes you for the lack of knowledge you have in football. You think they pay him millions of dollars, and by that I mean multiple high profile sec teams, bc of bad play calling? The call was fine. Every DC plays prevent defense. We got burned on several. You remember them so well bc when playing prevent you are playing from a position of strength. If you have bad judgement on 3rd down play calling you won't last long as a DC at a major program let alone 3 of them.
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he mad.
 
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ReaderVol said:
I'll ask all on the thread. Name me one coach or team who doesn't have or use a prevent. Bama does, tOSU does, as well as Clemson and FSU. Every team in the NFL do as well and yes the Patriots absolutely use the prevent as well. Uneducated (about the game) fans cry and scream and think prevent doesn't work. But the #'s say it works and therefore all coaches us it.
Idiot fans only remember the relatively few times it doesn't work.
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Mrs. Chavis,
Chief could beat the Vanderbilts and UT Martins of the world with that D but when GA, FL, Maryland, Penn State, Nebraska, and LSU came to play he panicked. They could drive down the field at will. It's not the prevent that was bad. Just the implementation.
 
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My two cents, yes the trio of Fulmer, Cutcliff and Chavis were a great team. I think Cutcliff was the most important of the three.

My memories of 3rd downs was I always was glad to see third and short which Chavis seemed to do better at. If it was 3rd and long i felt we were screwed.
 
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Eastknox865 said:
The season needs to hurry up and start before we start challenging each other in the circle of life.
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I'm in! Prefer the season to just start, but not scared of the circle. Been there done that...what a rush that will quickly humble you.
 
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Remy said:
I dont care what level of football you play or coach at, with a minute or so on the clock leading by a score or less, you simply cannot leave a decent QB the ability to roll out at his leisure and complete outs at 7 yards undefended. You get beat most of the time when do, you expect the other team to beat themselves, and good teams will not do that, they will beat you given the opportunity.
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I'm not against a prevent and I do understand it's concept...it's name explains it! But you are 100% correct, you will get beat if the QB is allowed to just stand back there and pick his poison.
 
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kentucky sucks said:
Mrs. Chavis,
Chief could beat the Vanderbilts and UT Martins of the world with that D but when GA, FL, Maryland, Penn State, Nebraska, and LSU came to play he panicked. They could drive down the field at will. It's not the prevent that was bad. Just the implementation.
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There's a Crystal football sitting in a trophy case in Knoxville that says you're full of $hit.
 
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Chavis was probably the best DC we ever had. Given that fact, let's not go overboard on his greatness amongst DCs historically. After 1998, how many national championships did his defenses win? I'll wait while you count them up.

Don't get me wrong, I love the Chief. When the Chief had top notch defensive talent, he won a lot of games with his conservative ways. Hell, Fulmer was just as conservative with all his field goal kicking. But when the talent pool began to dwindle, the flaws could no longer be concealed.

Third and Chavis was REAL whether you like it or not. There never was a "Third and Smart" saying, and for good reason.

Finally, some people look to Chavis as our only example of defensive greatness and use guys like Sunseri to compare him to. That's a little like saying eating a sh!t sanwhich was fantastic compared to getting nut cancer. One coach is clearly better than the other, but the greatness of the former is not defined by the ineptitude of the latter.

That is all.
 
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