Wiesman on Vols' DL improvement: 'Oh, my God'

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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Getting Tuttle back would make our d-line better than most in the NFL. It'll be unfair.

I have confidence in the guys we have right now holding it down till be gets 100% healthy.
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Dude, Alabama is in a rebuilding mode and they have a better, or at least as good, and deeper DL than we do, so does LSU. But maybe you were just speaking in hyperbole when you said that we had a better DL than some NFL teams. I appreciate the enthusiasm!
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
How many NFL defensive lines have 4 first rounders?

You'll be surprised by how few.

I think Barnett, Kongbo, Tuttle, and McKenzie will all be first round picks by the time they leave Knoxville. And all 4 should be very good NFL players.
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Does it matter what round they are drafted in? Or how they produce in the NFL against NFL offensive lineman. You're prone to hyperbole but this just isn't true
 
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Does anyone remember the idiot Alabama fans asking PF, "Paaawl, which NFEL team do you think we would have the best chance of beating..." What a freak show. See what you did D4h, don't do that again!
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Getting Tuttle back would make our d-line better than most in the NFL. It'll be unfair.

I have confidence in the guys we have right now holding it down till be gets 100% healthy.
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Pretty sure my eyes came out of my skull reading that :crazy:
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
How many NFL defensive lines have 4 first rounders?

You'll be surprised by how few.

I think Barnett, Kongbo, Tuttle, and McKenzie will all be first round picks by the time they leave Knoxville. And all 4 should be very good NFL players.
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And how many former all american 1st rounders arent worth a damn in the NFL? If youre in the nfl on a starting DL youre the best of the best of the last 10-12 years of college football, PERIOD. these guys arent competing against 3 stars and freshemen and sophmores and 5th year seniors, theyre competing against the best collection of grown men in the world in the last decade for a spot on the front four. I think we have a top 10 college defensive line with potential to be top 3. But lets not be so naive to forget that clemson, michigan, bama, lsu and others have recruited every bit as well and also have damn good coaches and schemes.
 
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Power T-Rev said:
D4H is probably the same guy that thinks the best college football team can beat an NFL team
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Idk man, 2001 miami may have given a couple crappy nfl teams fits lol probably the only team that can legit ever say that though.
 
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KBVol said:
Better than most d-lines in the NFL? Lol!! That is undoubtedly the stupidest thing you've ever posted on here. Congrats cause that's quite an accomplishment.
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2001 Miami had Clinton Portis, Frank Gore, and Willis McGahee as their RBs. All 3 ran for over 1,000 yards in the NFL for several seasons. That was probably a better RB corp than anybody in the NFL at that time.

Its not unusual for a college position group to have more concentrated talent than most NFL teams. I thought Jimbo Fisher said it best. He said "in the NFL they only allow you one 1st round pick a year. If I evaluate right, I can get 3-4 first rounders in a single year."

I think we'll look back in 5 years (when they're all in the NFL) and wonder how anybody blocked Barnett/Kongbo/McKenzie/Tuttle in college.
 
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Ertel said:
Idk man, 2001 miami may have given a couple crappy nfl teams fits lol probably the only team that can legit ever say that though.
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2001 Miami would've been a playoff team. Forget giving people fits. They produced a ton of pro bowlers.
 
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Power T-Rev said:
D4H is probably the same guy that thinks the best college football team can beat an NFL team
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Not every year. But every 10-15 years, there can be a team LOADED with special talent that could play and beat NFL teams.

2001 Miami being the best example.

2008 Florida would also give NFL teams fits if they started Cam Newton ahead of Tim Tebow. That team was LOADED.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
2001 Miami would've been a playoff team. Forget giving people fits. They produced a ton of pro bowlers.
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Just when I think you couldn't do or say anything more stupid than you already have...you go and totally redeem yourself. Playoff team? Get out of here with that garbage.
 
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LA vol7 said:
Dude, Alabama is in a rebuilding mode and they have a better, or at least as good, and deeper DL than we do, so does LSU. But maybe you were just speaking in hyperbole when you said that we had a better DL than some NFL teams. I appreciate the enthusiasm!
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LSU does not have a deeper nor better DL than we do. If you want to single out DT you could argue they're better, but even then I would probably disagree with you.
 
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LA vol7 said:
Does anyone remember the idiot Alabama fans asking PF, "Paaawl, which NFEL team do you think we would have the best chance of beating..." What a freak show. See what you did D4h, don't do that again!
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Was the exact thing I thought of after reading what our resident special person brought to the forum today. So pathetic it actually makes you uncomfortable.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Not every year. But every 10-15 years, there can be a team LOADED with special talent that could play and beat NFL teams.

2001 Miami being the best example.

2008 Florida would also give NFL teams fits if they started Cam Newton ahead of Tim Tebow. That team was LOADED.
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Today has been rough, but you have totally turned that around for me, thanks for the laughs.
 
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VonVol said:
Just when I think you couldn't do or say anything more stupid than you already have...you go and totally redeem yourself. Playoff team? Get out of here with that garbage.
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As crazy as D4H's posts usually are.. this is actually not that outlandish. There probably are in fact some NFL teams that cannot field the amount of raw talent we have at DL. Same goes with the whole Bama vs the worst NFL team if they played the worst team in the NFL 10 times they might win 1 or 2.

What a lot of people do not get is this. The difference in NFL players and top college players often has a lot less to do with talent than whats inside the players heads.Work ethic, experience, filmstudy. Aaron Rodgers did an interview the other day where he stated he things that QB in the NFL is 20% talent and 80% intangibles. Look at all the supremely talented players that have went from college to the NFL and flamed out. It is rarely because they cant physically do it. It is because they can't make the transition.

In college its more like 70% talent 30% everything else. In the pros talent is pretty much even and the difference between the very best and the guy getting cut is a lot less physically than you'd think. Good examples would be Tom Brady who I honestly think fits that paradigm perfectly.. physically he has all the tools none of them impressive but mentally he is all time top 3. Then you take a Vince Young who had all the tools and none of the intangibles. Put Brady or Peytons brain in VY's body and he is hands down the best QB ever.
 
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pimo1 said:
As crazy as D4H's posts usually are.. this is actually not that outlandish. There probably are in fact some NFL teams that cannot field the amount of raw talent we have at DL. Same goes with the whole Bama vs the worst NFL team if they played the worst team in the NFL 10 times they might win 1 or 2.

What a lot of people do not get is this. The difference in NFL players and top college players often has a lot less to do with talent than whats inside the players heads.Work ethic, experience, filmstudy. Aaron Rodgers did an interview the other day where he stated he things that QB in the NFL is 20% talent and 80% intangibles. Look at all the supremely talented players that have went from college to the NFL and flamed out. It is rarely because they cant physically do it. It is because they can't make the transition.

In college its more like 70% talent 30% everything else. In the pros talent is pretty much even and the difference between the very best and the guy getting cut is a lot less physically than you'd think. Good examples would be Tom Brady who I honestly think fits that paradigm perfectly.. physically he has all the tools none of them impressive but mentally he is all time top 3. Then you take a Vince Young who had all the tools and none of the intangibles. Put Brady or Peytons brain in VY's body and he is hands down the best QB ever.
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Anybody who leaves a 10K tip on a $8 breakfast at Denny's deserves to go bankrupt
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
How many NFL defensive lines have 4 first rounders?

You'll be surprised by how few.

I think Barnett, Kongbo, Tuttle, and McKenzie will all be first round picks by the time they leave Knoxville. And all 4 should be very good NFL players.
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That doesn't equate unless they are leaving now.
 
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Vereen said Tuesday that Phillips, a sophomore defensive end, “is a gazelle,” and he has “never seen someone run to the ball faster” than the former five-star prospect from Hillsboro High School in Nashville, Tenn., who’s off to a good start more than a week into the Vols’ preseason camp.
Phillips having strong camp, Kongbo learning
 
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Do we have a name for this front? Orange Crush,Orange is the new D, The Vol locomotive, what?
 
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