Opening Saturday

#51
#51
Two schools I always hope lose are ND and USoCal. Hate them more than bama!! So unfortunately I gotta pull for bama that day. Hope my heart can take it.
 
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#52
#52
VFL-82-JP said:
Guys, you are short-sighted. There was a time, not that long ago, when the B10 was widely seen as the power conference in college football (in the eyes of the nation as a whole), with the PAC not far behind. Some of us are too young to remember those days...but some of us aren't.

The SEC was considered okay, but not all that and a bag of chips. We were one of the conferences who would've gotten left out of the conversation some years, if there were a 4-team playoff back then.

Thing is, fortunes ebb and flow. There will one day be another period where the SEC is not king of the hill. I hope it is decades away. In the meantime, don't take our dominance for granted.

It is hella cool being among the best, being associated with the best. And the only way we stay here, in our coveted seat atop the pile, is by collectively winning a WHOLE lot more than we lose, out of conference, against good teams and bad.

So yeah, I remember. And I'm always going to cheer for the SEC team to win OOC.
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It's NOT short-sightedness. The glory days of the B1G getting national titles based on TV exposure in the Rose Bowl are gone. National titles are played out on the field now. The SEC has PROVEN it's worth over and over again. We win on Saturdays and we win on National Signing Day. I will not EVER pull for Alabama to win a big game just to maintain a status quo. Same goes for UGA, UF and on and on.

If you feel comfortable cheering for an SEC foe, by all means, go ahead. I'll tell you right now though, that line of thinking isn't what keeps the SEC filling 100,000 seat stadiums every week. I'll keep my healthy hatred for our rivals alive, you go ahead and keep hoping they thrive. To each their own
 
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#53
#53
If you look back through the century-plus of college football, you'll find plenty of periods when the SEC was not considered the dominant conference, not even among the top two. Most recently, the nearly two decades between the death of Bear Bryant and the arrival of the Spurrier-Fulmer competition was such a window.

<depart Bear Bryant, RIP>
  • Penn State
  • Miami
  • BYU
  • Oklahoma
  • Penn State
  • Miami
  • Notre Dame
  • Miami
  • Colorado (AP) / Ga Tech (UPI)
  • Miami (AP) / Washington (UPI)
  • Alabama
  • FSU
  • Nebraska
  • Nebraska
<arrive the Fulmer-Spurrier duel>

Only one national champ from the SEC in that 16-year window between Georgia's title in 1980 with Herschel Walker, and Spurrier's championship in 1996 with the Gators.

That's the most recent time the SEC hasn't been at or near the top. It's far from the only time.

Down periods will come again; they always do. May be before this decade ends, or may be more than a generation from now. No way of knowing.

Only thing that's sure, is this: you only stay on top by winning OOC games, against both the easy opponents you're expected to beat, and the tough peer competitors. And it takes the entire conference doing well to pull it off; three or five teams can't carry 14.

To repeat: I like being in the best conference in college football, the undisputed king of the hill. I'd like to see it stay that way, though there are no guarantees it will.

You do whatever you wish, but if you think the SEC is just naturally destined to always be #1, you are short-sighted.
 
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#54
#54
VFL-82-JP said:
Guys, you are short-sighted. There was a time, not that long ago, when the B10 was widely seen as the power conference in college football (in the eyes of the nation as a whole), with the PAC not far behind. Some of us are too young to remember those days...but some of us aren't.

The SEC was considered okay, but not all that and a bag of chips. We were one of the conferences who would've gotten left out of the conversation some years, if there were a 4-team playoff back then.

Thing is, fortunes ebb and flow. There will one day be another period where the SEC is not king of the hill. I hope it is decades away. In the meantime, don't take our dominance for granted.

It is hella cool being among the best, being associated with the best. And the only way we stay here, in our coveted seat atop the pile, is by collectively winning a WHOLE lot more than we lose, out of conference, against good teams and bad.

So yeah, I remember. And I'm always going to cheer for the SEC team to win OOC.
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Yes, an undefeated Auburn was left out not too many years ago. Auburn went undefeated in 2010 and in 2004, but was denied the opportunity by the Bowl Championship Series (BCS) to play in the 2004 2005 National Championship game
 
#55
#55
Vol865 said:
Not fine by me because now I have to take a vacation day to watch us beat App. State. Then potentially still have to work while all of the other games are on lol.
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Bummer having to waste a vacation day mid week.
 
#56
#56
OHvol40 said:
It's NOT short-sightedness. The glory days of the B1G getting national titles based on TV exposure in the Rose Bowl are gone. National titles are played out on the field now. The SEC has PROVEN it's worth over and over again. We win on Saturdays and we win on National Signing Day. I will not EVER pull for Alabama to win a big game just to maintain a status quo. Same goes for UGA, UF and on and on.

If you feel comfortable cheering for an SEC foe, by all means, go ahead. I'll tell you right now though, that line of thinking isn't what keeps the SEC filling 100,000 seat stadiums every week. I'll keep my healthy hatred for our rivals alive, you go ahead and keep hoping they thrive. To each their own
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I'm not arguing your point but I prefer Tenn beat an undefeated Fl, Ga, Ala, etc. Not a gator team that gets beaten by everybody else. To beat a team everybody else beats is like beating Vandy.
 
#57
#57
a vol n tears said:
I'm not arguing your point but I prefer Tenn beat an undefeated Fl, Ga, Ala, etc. Not a gator team that gets beaten by everybody else. To beat a team everybody else beats is like beating Vandy.
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Then we are Ohio State and still get to the playoffs.
 
#58
#58
VFL-82-JP said:
If you look back through the century-plus of college football, you'll find plenty of periods when the SEC was not considered the dominant conference, not even among the top two. Most recently, the nearly two decades between the death of Bear Bryant and the arrival of the Spurrier-Fulmer competition was such a window.

<depart Bear Bryant, RIP>
  • Penn State
  • Miami
  • BYU
  • Oklahoma
  • Penn State
  • Miami
  • Notre Dame
  • Miami
  • Colorado (AP) / Ga Tech (UPI)
  • Miami (AP) / Washington (UPI)
  • Alabama
  • FSU
  • Nebraska
  • Nebraska
<arrive the Fulmer-Spurrier duel>

Only one national champ from the SEC in that 16-year window between Georgia's title in 1980 with Herschel Walker, and Spurrier's championship in 1996 with the Gators.

That's the most recent time the SEC hasn't been at or near the top. It's far from the only time.

Down periods will come again; they always do. May be before this decade ends, or may be more than a generation from now. No way of knowing.

Only thing that's sure, is this: you only stay on top by winning OOC games, against both the easy opponents you're expected to beat, and the tough peer competitors. And it takes the entire conference doing well to pull it off; three or five teams can't carry 14.

To repeat: I like being in the best conference in college football, the undisputed king of the hill. I'd like to see it stay that way, though there are no guarantees it will.

You do whatever you wish, but if you think the SEC is just naturally destined to always be #1, you are short-sighted.
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Again, The games are played on the field now. When the SEC doesn't have 10 of the top 20 recruiting classes every year, then your concerns are valid. Until then nothing is changing.

My allegiance is not to the south eastern conference or to the Southeast in general, it's to the University of Tennessee volunteers.
 
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#59
#59
chuckb1448 said:
Okay, I've done as most the last several months, log on and read, shake my head, force myself to Not say something due to the topics absurdity.

Alas, we are a few weeks away, I am as excited as most here and am hoping for a dominant season. We were moved to Thursday for our first game, at first it upset me, but looking at the first Saturday it seems many games are on which will be significant. So after thinking about it Thursday is fine by me.

I am rambling, my question here is: do most of us cheer for the SEC on that first Saturday, or will you do as I will do, become a PAC12 fan? I have made up my mind already, moan if needed but give reason;

-I am pulling for NC vs. GA.
-I am for Auburn vs Clemson
-I am for LSU vs Wisconsin
-I am for Ole Miss vs Fla St.
-I am pulling for A&M vs UCLA (for strength of schedule)
- and I am for the first time in my life a PAC 12 fan with Southern Cal. vs Alabama

What say you. also I want to say no matter what happens this year, let's all support our team..... and hope we kick ass!&#128514;
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For NC over GA
For Auburn over Clem&son
For LSWho over Wisconsin
For OM over FSU
For A&M over UCLA...but ok with UCLA win
For USC over bummer (would be for them even if Kiffin was still there)
 
#60
#60
fatal1 said:
to pull for another conference to beat an sec team is saying you don't think the sec is the best conference. I don't like Alabama,flordia, or vaderbilt either but I want them to beat any team in another conference. go to cbs sports or espn and see what others from their conference are say especially when a team of theirs beats a sec team.
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I will never pull for the likes of Florida or Alabama, no matter how much you wish I would. Wanting them to lose does not mean I think the SEC isn't any good, it means I would love to see UF and Bama get embarrassed. On top of that, I'm really surprised you wouldn't after all the comments from UF players this offseason.

Outside of those teams I generally always go for the SEC, but at the end of the day it makes absolutely no difference to me what fans in other conferences are saying because the only team I care about seeing succeed is the University of Tennessee's.
 
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#61
#61
fade route said:
Appreciate your condescending post but let's get one thing straight. There is no chance, ever, that the SEC would be the weakest of the power 5 conferences. Ever.
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Even if every SEC team (not named Tennessee) lost every game like some fans want?
 
#62
#62
I'm still pissed that our date changed to Thursday. My ticket will be up for sale as I cannot miss work. As far as the weekend goes, there will be a couple games that could change the frontrunners for the playoffs.
 
#67
#67
OHvol40 said:
Again, The games are played on the field now. When the SEC doesn't have 10 of the top 20 recruiting classes every year, then your concerns are valid. Until then nothing is changing.

My allegiance is not to the south eastern conference or to the Southeast in general, it's to the University of Tennessee volunteers.
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The games are only "played on the field now" if you can get into the games.

Fact: every single year, at least one Power 5 conference champion is left out of the playoffs as currently structured. Up until a couple of years ago, at least 3 of the 5 were left out.

Under those conditions, it's always best to be in the conference that is perceived as the strongest of them all.

You only get considered the strongest of them all if your collective win/loss ratio, during the season in OOC games, and during the bowls, is hugely in your favor.

When one conference is stronger than the rest, you can bet money that four-fifths of everyone in the country is hoping that they show weakness. 80% of everyone is hoping for the chance to say, "see? they're not that good."

So you gotta win. And win. And keep winning, in big games and small.

That's just how college football works today. You can ignore it, you can let your hate of Bama and Florida and Georgia make you short-sighted for the real goals (championships, and the guaranteed chance to play for them when we win in the conference). But that doesn't change the basic reality of how it all works today.

p.s. It is entirely possible to feel a sense of allegiance and belonging to more than one level of community at the same time. For example, I have 100% allegiance to the United States, and to the great state of Tennessee. Short of civil war, I would never have to choose between those allegiances. Saying you're loyal to the Volunteers does not preclude you from feeling other loyalties in life as well. I bleed orange, have since birth. But I'm also a fan of the SEC, love our traditions and love belonging to the strongest conference, where the best live. That doesn't mean I'm gonna go around hugging ugly gators or bulldogs. Nothing wrong with feeling a sense of belonging to both levels at the same time.
 
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#68
#68
VFL-82-JP said:
The games are only "played on the field now" if you can get into the games.

Fact: every single year, at least one Power 5 conference champion is left out of the playoffs as currently structured. Up until a couple of years ago, at least 3 of the 5 were left out.

Under those conditions, it's always best to be in the conference that is perceived as the strongest of them all.

You only get considered the strongest of them all if your collective win/loss ratio, during the season in OOC games, and during the bowls, is hugely in your favor.

When one conference is stronger than the rest, you can bet money that four-fifths of everyone in the country is hoping that they show weakness. 80% of everyone is hoping for the chance to say, "see? they're not that good."

So you gotta win. And win. And keep winning, in big games and small.

That's just how college football works today. You can ignore it, you can let your hate of Bama and Florida and Georgia make you short-sighted for the real goals (championships, and the guaranteed chance to play for them when we win in the conference). But that doesn't change the basic reality of how it all works today.

p.s. It is entirely possible to feel a sense of allegiance and belonging to more than one level of community at the same time. For example, I have 100% allegiance to the United States, and to the great state of Tennessee. Short of civil war, I would never have to choose between those allegiances. Saying you're loyal to the Volunteers does not preclude you from feeling other loyalties in life as well. I bleed orange, have since birth. But I'm also a fan of the SEC, love our traditions and love belonging to the strongest conference, where the best live. That doesn't mean I'm gonna go around hugging ugly gators or bulldogs. Nothing wrong with feeling a sense of belonging to both levels at the same time.
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Perfectly said.
 
#69
#69
If you pull against Bama then youre pulling for the rest of the West.
If youre pulling for UT, you pull against the East just enough that they dont do TOO well but make UT look better.

I think that sums up how it goes.
 
#70
#70
Escape Goat said:
LSU is the only SEC team not named Tennessee, that I have no issue with. The rest can go to Hell.

I hate Auburn, but hate Clemson worse. So those are the only wins I want to see that Saturday.
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I'm kind of with you there. I've had a helluva time any time I've partied with an LSU fan. Plus, they don't really hate us either, and we both hate UF and Bama...
 
#71
#71
chuckb1448 said:
Okay, I've done as most the last several months, log on and read, shake my head, force myself to Not say something due to the topics absurdity.

Alas, we are a few weeks away, I am as excited as most here and am hoping for a dominant season. We were moved to Thursday for our first game, at first it upset me, but looking at the first Saturday it seems many games are on which will be significant. So after thinking about it Thursday is fine by me.

I am rambling, my question here is: do most of us cheer for the SEC on that first Saturday, or will you do as I will do, become a PAC12 fan? I have made up my mind already, moan if needed but give reason;

-I am pulling for NC vs. GA.
-I am for Auburn vs Clemson
-I am for LSU vs Wisconsin
-I am for Ole Miss vs Fla St.
-I am pulling for A&M vs UCLA (for strength of schedule)
- and I am for the first time in my life a PAC 12 fan with Southern Cal. vs Alabama

What say you. also I want to say no matter what happens this year, let's all support our team..... and hope we kick ass!&#128514;
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I never pull for the SEC out of conference except for Tennessee.
 
#72
#72
VFL-82-JP said:
If you look back through the century-plus of college football, you'll find plenty of periods when the SEC was not considered the dominant conference, not even among the top two. Most recently, the nearly two decades between the death of Bear Bryant and the arrival of the Spurrier-Fulmer competition was such a window.

<depart Bear Bryant, RIP>
  • Penn State
  • Miami
  • BYU
  • Oklahoma
  • Penn State
  • Miami
  • Notre Dame
  • Miami
  • Colorado (AP) / Ga Tech (UPI)
  • Miami (AP) / Washington (UPI)
  • Alabama
  • FSU
  • Nebraska
  • Nebraska
<arrive the Fulmer-Spurrier duel>

Only one national champ from the SEC in that 16-year window between Georgia's title in 1980 with Herschel Walker, and Spurrier's championship in 1996 with the Gators.

That's the most recent time the SEC hasn't been at or near the top. It's far from the only time.

Down periods will come again; they always do. May be before this decade ends, or may be more than a generation from now. No way of knowing.

Only thing that's sure, is this: you only stay on top by winning OOC games, against both the easy opponents you're expected to beat, and the tough peer competitors. And it takes the entire conference doing well to pull it off; three or five teams can't carry 14.

To repeat: I like being in the best conference in college football, the undisputed king of the hill. I'd like to see it stay that way, though there are no guarantees it will.

You do whatever you wish, but if you think the SEC is just naturally destined to always be #1, you are short-sighted.
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Lot of data compiled before conference championship games and when human voters held almost exclusive sway. You got a BYU national championship out of that! Whole new ball game and with the best recruits wanting to play in the SEC...things ain't changing.
 
#73
#73
chuckb1448 said:
What say you?
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Well, fine sir, I say you could use a little editing to the first Saturday's line up. To whit

  • Hand-cut chicken-cheddar biscuits vs. Them's fightin' words Dawgs
  • Thieves of comely Georgia coeds vs. Pale-skinned my Daddy can afford to send me here (but no further)
  • Boudin vs. Bratwurst
  • Grove Belles vs. Slutty Cowgirls
  • Sheep Molesters vs. Baby Blue Teddy Bears
  • Sun tanned navel gazers vs Toilet paper roll atop Tide box on a plunger stick
 
#74
#74
For our By week in October I'm getting married (yes I scheduled my wedding around football, I'm the bride, I can do whatever I want)

But you could never get me to pull for Bama or Florida no matter what. Same goes for LSU, other than that I generally just pick underdogs, when underdogs win it can make for an interesting Saturday
 
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#75
#75
Nerwen Aldarion said:
For our By week in October I'm getting married (yes I scheduled my wedding around football, I'm the bride, I can do whatever I want)

But you could never get me to pull for Bama or Florida no matter what. Same goes for LSU, other than that I generally just pick underdogs, when underdogs win it can make for an interesting Saturday
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As long as a going to a game is considered a great way to spend your anniversary. If not, why?
 
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