5 star recruits

#27
#27
Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Hurd
Kamara
Malone
Preston Williams
Richmond
McKenzie
Phillips
Kongbo
Warrior

All were 5 stars according to at least one service.
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True. But the idea of only one came from the question about 247 COMPOSITE rated 5* players. That's hard to do because the composite takes 4 different services and averages them. If just one rates these player a 4*, then said player would be a composite 4.75, of 4*.
Translation ... we're splitting hairs over junk science.
 
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#28
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08Vol said:
Just 1, K Mac is the only player on our team that was a 247 composite 5 star on signing day.
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I don't know why people take the 247 composite rankings as gospel. All it takes is for one service to torpedo a players ranking.

Look no further than Trey Smith of the 2017 class. He's rated as a top 3 player overall by 247, ESPN, and Scout. And yet he's not a composite 5 star.

Why?

Because according to Rivals he's not a top 250 player. And thus he's only considered a composite 4 star recruit.

I think using the composite rankings as a true consensus is bogus because it's too easily influenced by outliers. All it takes is one site to shift a players rankings one way or another.

I think a player is a 5 star recruit if more than 1 website says he's a 5 star. And according to that metric we have 7 five star players on our roster.

5 stars on at least 2 sites

RB Jalen Hurd - 5 star on 247 and Rivals
RB Alvin Kamara - 5 star on 247 and Rivals
WR Josh Malone - 5 star on 247 and Rivals
WR Preston Williams - 5 star on 247 and Scout
DE Kyle Phillips - 5 star on 247 and Rivals
DE Jonathan Kongbo - 5 star on Rivals and Scout
DT Kahlil McKenzie - 5 star on 247, Rivals, and Scout

5 stars on only one site

OT Drew Richmond - 5 star on Rivals
DB Nigel Warrior - 5 star on Scout
 
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livefaith said:
True. But the idea of only one came from the question about 247 COMPOSITE rated 5* players. That's hard to do because the composite takes 4 different services and averages them. If just one rates these player a 4*, then said player would be a composite 4.75, of 4*.
Translation ... we're splitting hairs over junk science.
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See my last post. All it takes is for one site to rate a guy too low to torpedo his composite ranking.

For example, if we land Trey Smith in the 2017 class, he won't be a composite 5 star eventhough he would be a top 3 player overall according to 247, ESPN, and Scout.

Right now he's rated as the:

#1 overall on ESPN
#3 overall on 247
#3 overall on Scout

And yet he's only a 4 star composite player rated in the 50s. All because Mike Farrell is mad Trey doesn't go to the Rivals camps.
 
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#31
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chargervol said:
So you were happy and excited that we are in the conversation for the NC.
Pumped because our talent looks amazing on the field.
Then deflated because someone told you they had less stars than you thought?

If so, I'll just never understand.
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At this time last year Auburn was also in the conversation for the NC. Stop acting like we've won anything yet. Maybe this team improves and maybe we play our way into the top 4, but right now we are going into at least 3 games with a lower recruiting average.
 
#32
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08Vol said:
At this time last year Auburn was also in the conversation for the NC. Stop acting like we've won anything yet. Maybe this team improves and maybe we play our way into the top 4, but right now we are going into at least 3 games with a lower recruiting average.
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As usual, you completely missed the point.

The point was, if he was happy with the players before, finding out there ranking shouldn't change that.
 
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livefaith said:
True. But the idea of only one came from the question about 247 COMPOSITE rated 5* players. That's hard to do because the composite takes 4 different services and averages them. If just one rates these player a 4*, then said player would be a composite 4.75, of 4*.
Translation ... we're splitting hairs over junk science.
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That's not how the star ranking system works. Players are rated from 0 - 1, the 5 stars are normally around .98 and up. Each service wants to keep their number of 5 stars low, around 25 a year so the points it takes to reach a 5 star ranking will vary based on the talent that year. 247 averages all those scores together and hands out their composite 5 stars to the top 25 players.

Do they miss? Yes, sometimes, but as Bama has shown it isn't a coincidence they have had the #1 recruiting class for the past 6 years and have won 4 of the last 7 national championships.
 
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majorvol said:
Stars are great for judging natural talent... But work ethic and accountability makes up a lot of ground.
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Actually, major, it isn't. All it really measures is the opinion of a sportswriter. Guys who know just enough about football to be dangerous. If these guys were that good at evaluating talent, they would not have a chair shaped like their ass. They would be hired as scouts.

Looking at just Tennessee's list of recruits, I saw several busts. And if you were to find a list of all recruits, the number of bust would break your jaw as it smacked the floor. Either these guys passing out stars are dumb, or a whole lotta players don't transition well from HS or JUCO to D1.

Work ethic and accountability don't just make up alot of ground. Along with heart, drive, resilience, and leadership, these are the basic traits of champions. And any coach building a team should know that about all his recruits. If he doesn't, he needs to coach wide outs for Dallas.
 
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08Vol said:
That's not how the star ranking system works. Players are rated from 0 - 1, the 5 stars are normally around .98 and up. Each service wants to keep their number of 5 stars low, around 25 a year so the points it takes to reach a 5 star ranking will vary based on the talent that year. 247 averages all those scores together and hands out their composite 5 stars to the top 25 players.

Do they miss? Yes, sometimes, but as Bama has shown it isn't a coincidence they have had the #1 recruiting class for the past 6 years and have won 4 of the last 7 national championships.
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Actually, it is top 32. It is who sportswriters project to be first round draft picks 4 years down the road.
 
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TNnative said:
Actually, it is top 32. It is who sportswriters project to be first round draft picks 4 years down the road.
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No it's not.

That's only 247s criteria.

Some sites like ESPN rarely have more than 10-15 five stars. Others like Rivals fluctuates between 25-35 depending on the strength of the class.

There is no standard. Its just whatever someone decides.
 
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#37
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majorvol said:
Stars are great for judging natural talent... But work ethic and accountability makes up a lot of ground.
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That is true, but I would rather have a roster full of 4 and 5* recruits than not. There are exceptions (Sutton , for example), but they are correct more often than not.:loco:
 
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#38
#38
The reality is, we have to start doing two things before 5 star players start knocking at our door. A) Compete for conference and national championships and B) Show that we're putting players in the NFL. We start doing those two things year after year and we'll get a lot more 5* players.
 
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#39
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Brave Volunteer said:
The reality is, we have to start doing two things before 5 star players start knocking at our door. A) Compete for conference and national championships and B) Show that we're putting players in the NFL. We start doing those two things year after year and we'll get a lot more 5* players.
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Very true. If we do well on the field then recruiting success will follow. This is the year to prove to everyone that the Vols are for real.

Right now, our 2017 class is ranked where a Kentucky class is generally ranked. It would end up being about a number 25 ranked class, and that doesn't cut it. I'm sure Butch will be doing some culling, a star average that is below 3.5 is a bad thing for sure. Teams that recruit like that DON'T will championships in the modern era. You can survive one sub par recruiting class, but that is about it. Florida's last two recruiting classes had a star average below 3.5. Just watch the next couple of years, they will struggle.

They're not all diamonds in the rough, and those that recruit the most 4 and 5 star players ALWAYS have the best chance for a championship run. Anyone who thinks otherwise is delusional.
 
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norrislakevol said:
Very true. If we do well on the field then recruiting success will follow. This is the year to prove to everyone that the Vols are for real.

Right now, our 2017 class is ranked where a Kentucky class is generally ranked. It would end up being about a number 25 ranked class, and that doesn't cut it. I'm sure Butch will be doing some culling, a star average that is below 3.5 is a bad thing for sure. Teams that recruit like that DON'T will championships in the modern era. You can survive one sub par recruiting class, but that is about it. Florida's last two recruiting classes had a star average below 3.5. Just watch the next couple of years, they will struggle.

They're not all diamonds in the rough, and those that recruit the most 4 and 5 star players ALWAYS have the best chance for a championship run. Anyone who thinks otherwise is delusional.
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Really? I wasn't aware that Kentucky generally recruits top 10 classes...

2017 Football Team Rankings
 
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Brave Volunteer said:
The reality is, we have to start doing two things before 5 star players start knocking at our door. A) Compete for conference and national championships and B) Show that we're putting players in the NFL. We start doing those two things year after year and we'll get a lot more 5* players.
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We have 9 five stars already on our team. 2 top 5 recruiting classes on campus.

We're already championship ready.

Our starting 22 is as talented as any starting 22 in the country. Alabama has us when it comes to depth at certain positions. But in terms of top line talent we're as good as anyone.

Butch needs to win this year to prove to other big time recruits that he can coach up talent. He's already proven he can recruit.
 
#43
#43
I'm probably guilty of star gazing but it's proven that the best classes have the best teams. I mean look at Bama they have like 18, 5 stars.
 
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#45
#45
The season really needs to start. I was about to say there aren't any more pointless conversations to bicker about, but I'm sure someone out there is creative enough ;)
 
#47
#47
All of the recruits Butch has been getting. ALL of them. even a 2* will be 5* talent by the time they are upperclassmen. Most of those high star players mistaken leave early anyway. So much happens in their time at school. It's night and day between the time they enter and the time they leave. Also consider this.

If stars are that important they can be bought.
 
#48
#48
You need a mix of players. The highly touted recruits get pampered a bit and have their minds on the pros. The lower ranked guys may not be as talented, but they work hard and buy into the team concept. Blending them both together is what makes a winner.
 
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#49
#49
Star ratings certainly gets a player on the radar. However, you have got to have faith that CBJ and his staff have the vision to see what a player will become. That is to judge his playing character, his desire to be the best he can be, the willingness to be team player, and his desire to win.

Another perspective is if you put all your eggs in one basket and tell potential 3 star recruits you are holding out for all the 5 stars and you (might) get 1 or 2 late in the process ... you'll end up with maybe a couple of 5 stars teamed up with a bunch of 2 stars and walk-ons.
 
#50
#50
basspond said:
Star ratings certainly gets a player on the radar. However, you have got to have faith that CBJ and his staff have the vision to see what a player will become. That is to judge his playing character, his desire to be the best he can be, the willingness to be team player, and his desire to win.

Another perspective is if you put all your eggs in one basket and tell potential 3 star recruits you are holding out for all the 5 stars and you (might) get 1 or 2 late in the process ... you'll end up with maybe a couple of 5 stars teamed up with a bunch of 2 stars and walk-ons.
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Not possible. We are UT. The University of Three.....:) Just kidding. This class will be good when it is all said and done.
 
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