Second-Year Surge: Quinten Dormady

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butchna said:
So Dormady throws 2 interceptions, how does Dobbs get injured in that scenario? :blink:
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i am saying that if Dormady plays early and throws 2 int, and then Dobbs gets hurt down the road that could be a weakness shown on tape. Butch didn't let him throw against SEC defenses for a reason!!!
 
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johnrlansford said:
So your entire arguement is very general and Dormady had one good drive in a game against a 3rd team defense. If Dormady was outperforming Dobbs then why isn't he starting, that would be Dormady earning the job, correct? THe fact is that Dormady got one drive of free range and then he was canned the rest of the year to handoff duty. I am not saying that he won't be a good QB, i am saying that we just don't know after only seeing him throw 22(Estimate) passes last year? And yes Guarantano does have a stronger arm just watch the tapes. I think that you are as bais as all of the other Dormady fans and not wanting to see any other player being able to unseat him, because Dormady hasn't earned anything!!!! yet!!!
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And yet you are coming across here as a biased JG fan. Don't get me wrong, I am a huge JG fan, you just contradict yourself in the exact same post.

Also, yeah QD only threw a handful of passes last year. Thus the point about wanting Butch to let him throw more makes sense.

More passes = More Experience

It's not a hard concept to comprehend. And being afraid that he will be exposed is just a dumb way to look at things. Ya know, why play Kongbo this year? He has a lot of talent but we haven't seen him play in Division I yet. What if he gets exposed and everyone just runs right at him?
 
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johnrlansford said:
i am saying that if Dormady plays early and throws 2 int, and then Dobbs gets hurt down the road that could be a weakness shown on tape. Butch didn't let him throw against SEC defenses for a reason!!!
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Is that how Oklahoma opponents prepared after Mayfield's performance against us? :)

Why didn't he let Sheriron throw last year? :)

Your crap's too convoluted sometimes. Always looking for an ulterior motive.
 
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VersaceButch said:
And yet you are coming across here as a biased JG fan. Don't get me wrong, I am a huge JG fan, you just contradict yourself in the exact same post.

Also, yeah QD only threw a handful of passes last year. Thus the point about wanting Butch to let him throw more makes sense.

More passes = More Experience

It's not a hard concept to comprehend. And being afraid that he will be exposed is just a dumb way to look at things. Ya know, why play Kongbo this year? He has a lot of talent but we haven't seen him play in Division I yet. What if he gets exposed and everyone just runs right at him?
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I am simpley remarking on what he said about Dormady having a stronger arm, My point is that Butch didn't let Dormady loose against an SEC team for a reason, he simpley isn't ready for it yet. QB is completely different than other positions, a weak Back up QB can be hard to over come if the other teams already know hes weak when the starter gets hurt, I am not even sure that QD would be the full-time replacement if Dobbs got a season ending injury.
 
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k-town_king said:
First off its Dobbs and Dormady.

Second Dobbs is a Jr. He was always coming back.

Third. What about this spring? He looked very average and was thoroughly outplayed by Dobbs.

Dormady has been very average in the little we have seen of him.
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And Dobbs was VERY average the MORE THAN A LITTLE we saw of him his true freshman year. Posters and fans who had a little perspective knew not to make a final judgement...thankfully so did the coach.
 
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butchna said:
Is that how Oklahoma opponents prepared after Mayfield's performance against us? :)

Why didn't he let Sheriron throw last year? :)

Your crap's too convoluted sometimes. Always looking for an ulterior motive.
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Sheriron redshirted. Do you think Dormady was ready to throw the ball against SEC defenses? WHy didn't Butch let him at all? I am not throwing crap at a wall hoping it will stick, this is a real legitimate concern. He could have played against Ky and aired it out, or even Northwestern. Yet Butch let him hand off and that was about it?

Baker Mayfield was the starter in our game not the Backup...

Here comes your bias again butchna...you had every opportunity to criticize the guy who claimed DOrmady would be the next Peyton Manning but you didn't you waited on me to say something about him not being.:)
 
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johnrlansford said:
I am simpley remarking on what he said about Dormady having a stronger arm, My point is that Butch didn't let Dormady loose against an SEC team for a reason, he simpley isn't ready for it yet. QB is completely different than other positions, a weak Back up QB can be hard to over come if the other teams already know hes weak when the starter gets hurt, I am not even sure that QD would be the full-time replacement if Dobbs got a season ending injury.
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Hopefully this means he has learned a lesson from the Peterman debacle. If a guy isn't ready to throw against top talent then don't give him the opportunity. Don't risk breaking his confidence this early
 
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johnrlansford said:
I am simpley remarking on what he said about Dormady having a stronger arm, My point is that Butch didn't let Dormady loose against an SEC team for a reason, he simpley isn't ready for it yet. QB is completely different than other positions, a weak Back up QB can be hard to over come if the other teams already know hes weak when the starter gets hurt, I am not even sure that QD would be the full-time replacement if Dobbs got a season ending injury.
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He was a true freshmen last year. Maybe it's understandable that he didn't turn him loose, and not because he doesn't believe in him.

QD is now a year older with a full spring practice underneath him and a second training camp on the way. There is no reason to not let him be turned loose in a game up 21 because you are afraid he might throw an interception. FYI, Dobbs threw plenty of interceptions during his first few games as a starter. You learn from your mistakes. No one is infallible. This notion that Dormady isn't ready is ridiculous.

And yes, if Dobbs went down Dormady would be the full time starter I can 100% guarantee you that. They aren't going to throw Sheriron Jones out there who has never even got in during garbage time, and they are not going to waste a JG redshirt. So that statement was ridiculous.
 
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butchna said:
And Dobbs was VERY average the MORE THAN A LITTLE we saw of him his true freshman year. Posters and fans who had a little perspective knew not to make a final judgement...thankfully so did the coach.
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The only ones who has made a final judgement on QD are the ones claiming he is a great qb who passes better than Dobbs, that will start next year.

I am making the very valid argument that he has not shown that. He has not shown he is a great passer like some claim. He has also not done enough to say he will start next year. He could. He hasn't so far.
 
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johnrlansford said:
Sheriron redshirted. Do you think Dormady was ready to throw the ball against SEC defenses? WHy didn't Butch let him at all? I am not throwing crap at a wall hoping it will stick, this is a real legitimate concern. He could have played against Ky and aired it out, or even Northwestern. Yet Butch let him hand off and that was about it?

Baker Mayfield was the starter in our game not the Backup...

Here comes your bias again butchna...you had every opportunity to criticize the guy who claimed DOrmady would be the next Peyton Manning but you didn't you waited on me to say something about him not being.:)
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"My" bias. :lol: By your reasoning, I have it by omission while you actually say the crap demonstrating yours. I was in the middle of a work project when the Peyton leap was issued and YOU put MY name in your post. :). Admit it, you love me smacking you around. As far as Dormady being ready to face SEC defenses? Hell, I don't know but I ain't going to pretend I do with weak half-ass pretend rationale. :yu: They were looking at Trevor Knight on the Oklahoma sideline after that SECOND interception. Who gives a flood if he was a starter or a backup? By your scouting methods, that second interception would have gotten the other QB injured and stamped Mayfield as weak...other opponents would've put it on their board! :scare:
Yes SJ redshirted, but if we follow your logic, Butch already wrote Dormady off...why not try your other option? Or MAYBE, he was bringing his true freshman along slow...like he would've preferred to do with Dobbs...but couldn't. :idea: As long as you keep making up signs of future moves, I'm going to make fun of them. Gotta state what a crock your statement about FILM proving JG's arm is stronger than Dormady's. :lol: I personally agree, but there's nothing you've seen on FILM that proves it...just more "look at me I see things on film" self-delusion. Keep em coming...you're the joke that keeps on tanking. :thumbsup:
 
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VersaceButch said:
He was a true freshmen last year. Maybe it's understandable that he didn't turn him loose, and not because he doesn't believe in him.

QD is now a year older with a full spring practice underneath him and a second training camp on the way. There is no reason to not let him be turned loose in a game up 21 because you are afraid he might throw an interception. FYI, Dobbs threw plenty of interceptions during his first few games as a starter. You learn from your mistakes. No one is infallible. This notion that Dormady isn't ready is ridiculous.

And yes, if Dobbs went down Dormady would be the full time starter I can 100% guarantee you that. They aren't going to throw Sheriron Jones out there who has never even got in during garbage time, and they are not going to waste a JG redshirt. So that statement was ridiculous.
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For what it Worth dormady now has two full springs underneath him as he was a ee last year
 
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k-town_king said:
The only ones who has made a final judgement on QD are the ones claiming he is a great qb who passes better than Dobbs, that will start next year.

I am making the very valid argument that he has not shown that. He has not shown he is a great passer like some claim. He has also not done enough to say he will start next year. He could. He hasn't so far.
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I don't disagree that nothing's been proven. I just don't agree with any narrative using his true freshman work as rationale for the opposite.
 
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k-town_king said:
The only ones who has made a final judgement on QD are the ones claiming he is a great qb who passes better than Dobbs, that will start next year.

I am making the very valid argument that he has not shown that. He has not shown he is a great passer like some claim. He has also not done enough to say he will start next year. He could. He hasn't so far.
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Dormady is at least still a QB. Not all the hyped up QBs in that class that were sure future Heisman winners and "clear" takes over QD even play QB today.

I think Dormady is WAY ahead of Jones and certainly Guarantano. I expect it to stay that way headed into game 1 of 2017.
 
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photovol said:
I agree with another poster, Butch needs to get Dormady as much experience as possible, just in case Dobb's is injured
Not just handing the ball off, but running the whole offense
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If thing's go well enough. the second half of the app st game. Should be the dormady show.
 
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CrunchingTheVolz said:
Dormady is at least still a QB. Not all the hyped up QBs in that class that were sure future Heisman winners and "clear" takes over QD even play QB today.

I think Dormady is WAY ahead of Jones and certainly Guarantano. I expect it to stay that way headed into game 1 of 2017.
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Who was aclear Heisman winner in that class? Jennings? S. Jones? NOt sure any were that highly thought of, not even Dormady...

Dormady should be way ahead of Guarantano and Jones but that doesn't guarantee him a starting job, 1 year is along time to get acclimated to the system. IT should be a good competition in the spring of 17. May the best man win!!!
 
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johnrlansford said:
Who was aclear Heisman winner in that class? Jennings? S. Jones? NOt sure any were that highly thought of, not even Dormady...

Dormady should be way ahead of Guarantano and Jones but that doesn't guarantee him a starting job, 1 year is along time to get acclimated to the system. IT should be a good competition in the spring of 17. May the best man win!!!
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I was just tossing in a jab about so many on the Torrance Gibson sure Heisman hype train. Good times.
 
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johnrlansford said:
Who was aclear Heisman winner in that class? Jennings? S. Jones? NOt sure any were that highly thought of, not even Dormady...

Dormady should be way ahead of Guarantano and Jones but that doesn't guarantee him a starting job, 1 year is along time to get acclimated to the system. IT should be a good competition in the spring of 17. May the best man win!!!
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No, the job in 2017 is QD's to lose. You're right, he isn't guaranteed the starting job but he will be the odds on favorite to win it. He will get more gametime this season, will have 3 full spring practices and 3 full training camps by the time 2017 hits, and JG will still be learning. For once, we have the ability to groom QB's and play experienced ones without having to baptize them by fire like our most recent situation has caused us to do.

Unless JG turns out to be a prodigy like Mariota or DeShaun Watson, then he won't be our starting QB as a redshirt freshmen.
 
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IluvdoubleD's said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CpWeHNHZrD4

"He is the most advanced passer, I don't think there is any debate about that".
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You are using a spring competition that he lost from two years ago. He missed the bucket on the bucket challenge by a mile where Dobbs hit it. You aren't making a real convincing argument.

Dormady may be the back up but he has a long way to go to be considered the favorite to win the starting job next year. He has just been here longer than the other two options. Jones throws the best spiral. JG has the best arm, most athleticism, and most potential. Dormady has been playing qb the longest with the best coaching. It will be a good battle to see who starts.
 
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k-town_king said:
You are using a spring competition that he lost from two years ago. He missed the bucket on the bucket challenge by a mile where Dobbs hit it. You aren't making a real convincing argument.

Dormady may be the back up but he has a long way to go to be considered the favorite to win the starting job next year. He has just been here longer than the other two options. Jones throws the best spiral. JG has the best arm, most athleticism, and most potential. Dormady has been playing qb the longest with the best coaching. It will be a good battle to see who starts.
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That dude has been screaming for Dormady since he arrived, there is no convincing him otherwise.

I just hope he as a soft pillow to land on if Dormady doesn't win the starting job in 2017.
 
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