The one rule in football I hate

#103
#103
I despise the most inconsistent rule in college football - HOLDING. Week in and week out, most fans, most coaches, most players, and evidently most officials, are clueless as to what constitutes HOLDING. I think all to often, HOLDING is predetermined (rightly or wrongly), by the color of uniform or who's the head coach or what's reported in the media or which team is the 'home' team or the team's regional or national rating - and not by the actions or inactions of the players. I hate seeing an obvious HOLDING at the point of attack not being called, while a HOLD that doesn't remotely affect the play is called. Just give us clarity as to what constitutes HOLDING and call it CONSISTENTLY. Consistently means if it's not a HOLD in the 1st quarter, don't call HOLDING in the 4th quarter when the exact identical action occurs!
 
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KingtUT said:
If hes close enough to tackle him, id say the coverage isnt blown. Just sayin
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If he's tackling him to keep him from catching the ball? He got beat. Just sayin. :)
 
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#107
Agree with the OP 100%. If the ball is fumbled 1/2 yard earlier, the offensive team keeps the ball at the spot it went out. It just doesn't seem logical. I would be in favor of spotting the ball at the 2 or something.
 
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kiddiedoc said:
Agree with the OP 100%. If the ball is fumbled 1/2 yard earlier, the offensive team keeps the ball at the spot it went out. It just doesn't seem logical. I would be in favor of spotting the ball at the 2 or something.
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Yeah, same here.

It is not (usually) a penalized offense to fumble the ball, even if it then rolls out of bounds. The risk of losing possession is its own penalty.

So it shouldn't be penalized to fumble into the end zone, either. Just spot the ball where the fumble occurred with loss of down, if the offense recovers it or it rolls out. If the defense recovers the ball, of course it's a touchback and goes out to the 20.
 
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nirwin said:
Change overtime to where it's not stupid. Both teams can have the ball, but have it be actual football (with kickoffs and punts and the full field and whatnot) instead of a glorified soccer penalty kick shootout.
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I've been to a 5 OT win. Don't change the format, it is very exciting the way it is.
 
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VFL-82-JP said:
Yeah, same here.

It is not (usually) a penalized offense to fumble the ball, even if it then rolls out of bounds. The risk of losing possession is its own penalty.

So it shouldn't be penalized to fumble into the end zone, either. Just spot the ball where the fumble occurred with loss of down, if the offense recovers it or it rolls out. If the defense recovers the ball, of course it's a touchback and goes out to the 20.
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The only change I would make, it would be a safety rather than a touchback. It would make it costly to just recover a fumble, some may try to pick it up and run, rather than take a safety.
 
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kiddiedoc said:
Agree with the OP 100%. If the ball is fumbled 1/2 yard earlier, the offensive team keeps the ball at the spot it went out. It just doesn't seem logical. I would be in favor of spotting the ball at the 2 or something.
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5 yards from the spot of the fumble, loss of down. To fumble around the goal line is amateur. And the team deserves to pay a stiff penalty.
 
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MustafaRasta said:
I'm talking about a difference of 45 yards.

maf much?
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Oh I'm sorry, thought you were talking about reviewing it on video to determine if it is actually a pi.

like to make something you said mean whatever you want much?

Plus the difference between 50 and 15 is 35. :crazy:
 
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kiddiedoc said:
Agree with the OP 100%. If the ball is fumbled 1/2 yard earlier, the offensive team keeps the ball at the spot it went out. It just doesn't seem logical. I would be in favor of spotting the ball at the 2 or something.
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So if Tennessee's defense causes a fumble that goes back through the endzone, the offense should get the ball back at their 2?

Awesome job.
 
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Wylo said:
So if Tennessee's defense causes a fumble that goes back through the endzone, the offense should get the ball back at their 2?

Awesome job.
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"cause of fumble" is irrelevant, and for good reason: it can be impossible to ascertain with certainty. Was it 30% the guy's fellow player jostling him? 42% the defender hitting him on the elbow at the same time? 28% because of the rain making the ball slick? Or are those percentages switched around?

Nah, let's don't bring "who caused it" into the refs' decisions, that's way too subjective. If the ball is fumbled from the field of play into the end zone, and then rolls out of the end zone (out of the end our out either side), then treat it like a fumble rolling out of bounds anywhere else on the field: offense retains the ball with loss of down at the spot of the fumble.

Simple. Straight-forward.
 
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#119
The fumble thru the endzone rule comes from a similar rule in rugby. It has been a part of the game since the beginning. The endzone is treated differently than the rest of the field in many circumstances, including that one.
 
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bamawriter said:
The fumble thru the endzone rule comes from a similar rule in rugby. It has been a part of the game since the beginning. The endzone is treated differently than the rest of the field in many circumstances, including that one.
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doesnt make it right.
 
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SmartVolFan said:
I despise the most inconsistent rule in college football - HOLDING. Week in and week out, most fans, most coaches, most players, and evidently most officials, are clueless as to what constitutes HOLDING. I think all to often, HOLDING is predetermined (rightly or wrongly), by the color of uniform or who's the head coach or what's reported in the media or which team is the 'home' team or the team's regional or national rating - and not by the actions or inactions of the players. I hate seeing an obvious HOLDING at the point of attack not being called, while a HOLD that doesn't remotely affect the play is called. Just give us clarity as to what constitutes HOLDING and call it CONSISTENTLY. Consistently means if it's not a HOLD in the 1st quarter, don't call HOLDING in the 4th quarter when the exact identical action occurs!
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We can all agree with this.
 
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VFL-82-JP said:
"cause of fumble" is irrelevant, and for good reason: it can be impossible to ascertain with certainty. Was it 30% the guy's fellow player jostling him? 42% the defender hitting him on the elbow at the same time? 28% because of the rain making the ball slick? Or are those percentages switched around?

Nah, let's don't bring "who caused it" into the refs' decisions, that's way too subjective. If the ball is fumbled from the field of play into the end zone, and then rolls out of the end zone (out of the end our out either side), then treat it like a fumble rolling out of bounds anywhere else on the field: offense retains the ball with loss of down at the spot of the fumble.

Simple. Straight-forward.
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You put way too much into that. I was saying that crying about losing the ball is dumb. It doesn't matter who, what, when, or where.
 
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Wylo said:
You put way too much into that. I was saying that crying about losing the ball is dumb. It doesn't matter who, what, when, or where.
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You were actually saying the opposite. That causing a fumble should give the Vols the ball, even if we didn't actually recover it before it went out of bounds. In essence, that we should be crying about not winning the ball.

Don't believe me? Go back and read what you wrote again. Post #116.

You're all over the map with your logic.
 
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KoachKrab127 said:
The offensive team fumbles the football into the end zone and the football goes out of bounds. So what happens? The ball is rewarded to the other team at the 20 yard line. It's so stupid. Why should the defense be awarded possession without actually recovering the football?

If a team fumbles on the 30 yard line, and the ball rolls forward to the 32 yard line and then rolls out of bounds, the offense retains possession at the 30 yard line where the ball was fumbled. The defense has to recover the ball to earn possession on the field, so why does the end zone have to be different? If a player fumbles at the 1 yard line, and the ball rolls into the end zone and out of bounds, the offense should be given possession back for the next down where the ball was fumbled.

Yes, I was thinking about Pig vs. UGA in 2013, and Anderson vs. Bama in 2005.

:banghead2:
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Nix excessive celebration - I hate that rule more than anything. Flag 'em when it's taunting, and otherwise, let'em celebrate. If you go back and watch football before prime time ESPN 7 days a week TV, there was plenty of celebrating. Didn't hurt the game. So let 'em celebrate.
 
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