Whats the learning curve

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I think that the learning curve will be a huge factor for this season , aside from getting injured players back healthy and avoiding a rash of injuries,
1. What will the learning curve be for Coach Shoops Defense to learn and understand.. Many Starters were held out during the spring, so how long will it take before we truly see his defense at 100%?
2. Kongbo. He has only played 2 years of football. one HS and one Juco I believe. The SEC is the big league and he will go against the best. Sheer talent is not enough, How long before he masters assignment, technique, fundamental and being in SEC football shape?
3 Fr WRs, How long before true freshmen WRs will truly understand and be able to play without hesitating or pausing to think?
4 LT, how many snaps will Richmond, (if its him) need to be what we all hope? How long is his learning curve?
5. New deep snapper and holder, they are both said to very good, but they have to get out there and get hit..
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I'm sure there are more ?s but these are a few I will be watching for
 
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I think Shoop has said publicly that his job is to shorten the learning curve for the defense and not throw too much at them. I think he understands this team has a chance to do something special and he's not going to derail that by turning into Clawson his first year.
 
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The learning curve will last 5 minutes. Anything less is not acceptable
 
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JRM said they sit and watch film and talk football and terminology. I got the impression that Shoop will learn our's. You can call the position what' ever you want mike or Sam, as long as the player knows where to line up and what to do when the ball is snapped. Learning curve is a non issue for a high octane defense, it's all about being aggressive and relentless.

See y'all in Tampa
 
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Volador said:
The learning curve will last 5 minutes. Anything less is not acceptable
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Five minutes? Tennessee will always be a backwater also-ran in the SEC as long as loser fans are willing to accept time (or any other aspect of reality) as an excuse. Real winners tell reality where to stick its stopwatch! :rock:
 
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Nocleats said:
I think that the learning curve will be a huge factor for this season , aside from getting injured players back healthy and avoiding a rash of injuries,

2. Kongbo. He has only played 2 years of football. one HS and one Juco I believe. The SEC is the big league and he will go against the best. Sheer talent is not enough, How long before he masters assignment,
technique, fundamental and being in SEC football shape?

3. Fr WRs, How long before true freshmen WRs will truly understand and be able to play without hesitating or pausing to think?

5. New deep snapper and holder, they are both said to very good, but they have to get out there and get hit..
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2. I think Kongbo's will be like an inverted Bell curve: success early, then less effective as our remaining opponents accumulate a book on him, then a big post-season performance after he gets what he's learned incorporated into his game.

3. Which new receivers enrolled in January? Those would be the smart bet. Even then, after 5-6 games would be wonderful.
But if there's a one-trick, deep-threat pony who can find success early, he'll be as valuable as a starter if his presence can dictate coverage to the defense.

5. If the new holder gets hit, hopefully it's a 15-yard roughing penalty rather than recovering a bad snap. I wonder how soon we see him run a fake FG? Ashford's TD pass against Mizzou in 2014(?) was such a beauty!
 
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FLVOL_79 said:
Playing D1 football and still having a "learning curve" is pretty sad.
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New system always takes time to learn. Also if any freshman are in the 2 deep, the game is much faster then they expect and it takes time for them to adjust.
 
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Nocleats said:
I think that the learning curve will be a huge factor for this season , aside from getting injured players back healthy and avoiding a rash of injuries,
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I wonder if Dave Lawson for fired due improper conduct or due to the rash of injuries the team has been hit with. I'm hoping there was something in his technique that was flawed and that we can greatly cut down on the amount of injuries going forward.

Of course we had several recruits that were injured prior to signing on with Tennessee as well. (D. Williams, Hurd, etc.).
 
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fade route said:
I think Shoop has said publicly that his job is to shorten the learning curve for the defense and not throw too much at them. I think he understands this team has a chance to do something special and he's not going to derail that by turning into Clawson his first year.
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This
 
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HuntlandVolinColo said:
I wonder if Dave Lawson for fired due improper conduct or due to the rash of injuries the team has been hit with. I'm hoping there was something in his technique that was flawed and that we can greatly cut down on the amount of injuries going forward.

Of course we had several recruits that were injured prior to signing on with Tennessee as well. (D. Williams, Hurd, etc.).
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An interesting observation from a friend who is a premier athletic trainer at the secondary school level:

He said the young athletes he's seeing today have no sense for avoiding injury-certain situations. He explained that they play all-out, but don't recognize or anticipate when they are about to put their body into a position, an angle, or under impact force that is more than their body parts will tolerate.

We wondered if this is more fallout from time playing video games, and less time having played backyard football at an early age when bodies are younger, more flexible, and weigh less at impact.

A lot of valuable kinesiological lessons are learned at a young age while yelling, "Ow-ow-ow! Get off! Get OFF! You're 'bout to break my leg!"
 
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BruisedOrange said:
An interesting observation from a friend who is a premier athletic trainer at the secondary school level:

He said the young athletes he's seeing today have no sense for avoiding injury-certain situations. He explained that they play all-out, but don't recognize or anticipate when they are about to put their body into a position, an angle, or under impact force that is more than their body parts will tolerate.

We wondered if this is more fallout from time playing video games, and less time having played backyard football at an early age when bodies are younger, more flexible, and weigh less at impact.

A lot of valuable kinesiological lessons are learned at a young age while yelling, "Ow-ow-ow! Get off! Get OFF! You're 'bout to break my leg!"
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You or your friend is absolutely on to something
 
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Stoops stated that during Spring Practice this year that he was the only one learning a new system because it was much easier for him to learn UT's terminology than it was for the players to learn his system.
 
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gunner said:
Stoops stated that during Spring Practice this year that he was the only one learning a new system because it was much easier for him to learn UT's terminology than it was for the players to learn his system.
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That's good news.

I would like to see Shoop have a good rotation to keep them fresh and to gain significant game experience. Seems like back in the day we would rotate in blitz specialists and they would get a sack. PWillie will be better by playing against Cam in practice. Our defense is special and will be considered elite during our NC run.

There is a lot of excitement for this team, I don't think we'll be disappointed.
 
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HoptownVol said:
OK, I'll bite. Why>?
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You know how some of our fans are. Some are already building him up to be the greatest thing since sliced bread. So what will happen if Shoop doesn't completely transform the D and perform significantly better than Jancek this season? It just seems like some have totally unrealistic expectations for him.

I hope and think he will do good. But what if he is just average? Will people be calling for his head?
 
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I don't understand the Shoop concern at all? His biggest problem is going to be dividing up playing time for all the DE's.

Other than possibly Kongbo, we aren't planning on having any newcomers to the program in the defense 2 deep. Uber talented Kirkland and KMac are no longer freshmen. JRM and Sutton passed on the draft to return. If we don't have the best pair of corner backs in the league then they're certainly in the discussion. Tons of experience and competition for safety. DT's a bit thin unless Tuttle returns but by no means are we without talent there also.

This D is loaded! Shoop just has to make the right coverage calls. He's always been successful and he's never approached this level of talent to work with in the past.
 
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Those are all fair questions IMO. I'm wondering if Shoop will be able to meet the expectations most have for him in year 1. He could have had top 25 defenses at 30 diff stops before coming here and it still don't mean he will here for sure. With fans already knowing Kongbo will be all SEC, that's still yet to be seen and it's quite a task to ask any player to come into this conference 1st year and immediately dominate. Lots of unknowns still about this team. DT depth has been repeated but it's a fair concern and I'll add Medley too. Shoop is a smart guy and i figure he will come in and do great things but it's a fair question.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
I kind of feel bad for Shoop.
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BigOrangeTrain said:
You know how some of our fans are. Some are already building him up to be the greatest thing since sliced bread. So what will happen if Shoop doesn't completely transform the D and perform significantly better than Jancek this season? It just seems like some have totally unrealistic expectations for him.

I hope and think he will do good. But what if he is just average? Will people be calling for his head?
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You are ignoring his track record with talent that was inferior to ours.

I kind of feel bad for You. :p
 
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BruisedOrange said:
2. I think Kongbo's will be like an inverted Bell curve: success early, then less effective as our remaining opponents accumulate a book on him, then a big post-season performance after he gets what he's learned incorporated into his game.

3. Which new receivers enrolled in January? Those would be the smart bet. Even then, after 5-6 games would be wonderful.
But if there's a one-trick, deep-threat pony who can find success early, he'll be as valuable as a starter if his presence can dictate coverage to the defense.

5. If the new holder gets hit, hopefully it's a 15-yard roughing penalty rather than recovering a bad snap. I wonder how soon we see him run a fake FG? Ashford's TD pass against Mizzou in 2014(?) was such a beauty!
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When reading this paragraph for some reason my mind went immediately to Jeff George. While he may take a little while to gain some weight and grasp the playbook, its obvious he has talent. Looks like one of those players who can really help out a QB by going up and high-pointing a ball.
 
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