Title IX lawsuit settled for $2.48 million

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chargervol said:
If I were seeking justice, I would want the trial to happen in the public's attention. Settling for some money where the school has to admit no wrong would not interest me.

I get what you're trying to say but man, that's just not the case.
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Some of the women still are seeking justice from the court system. This does nothing to affect the status of AJ Johnson or Michael Williams case. They both may still spend 20+ years in prison even tho their accuser got $180,000 from UT
 
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Done deal. Now lets put this lawsuit in the rearview, and look foward to a hell of a football season! Go Vols!
 
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2.5M to get this out of the papers, out of the topic rotation during televised games, out of opponent recruiting toolbox, no admission of guilt. Money well spent.
 
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vollygirl said:
I'm not arguing. I'm saying if you or I were a plaintiff and we were raped, that is ALL the lawsuit would be about to us. If we were only interested in a money payout, then, there you go.
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It would also be in criminal court not civil.
 
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BaldBiker said:
Around $180,000 before taxes is my guess. 40% of that 2.4 million will be gone before they even begin to split it up. Lawyers and courts will get theirs first.
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There should be no taxes to the plaintiffs since there is obviously no confidentiality agreement.
 
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08Vol said:
Some of the women still are seeking justice from the court system. This does nothing to affect the status of AJ Johnson or Michael Williams case. They both may still spend 20+ years in prison even tho their accuser got $180,000 from UT
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No doubt. But whatever happened in those situations, I have seen nothing suggesting UT was responsible for any wrong doing. The University lawsuit will never be anything but a money grab to me.
 
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08Vol said:
Some of the women still are seeking justice from the court system. This does nothing to affect the status of AJ Johnson or Michael Williams case. They both may still spend 20+ years in prison even tho their accuser got $180,000 from UT
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Dropping those cases should have been a stipulation of being on the other case as a defendant. But this payout by UT could damage the criminal case.
 
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82_VOL_83 said:
No, my daughter would not have been a plaintiff. If she was truly raped a rape kit would be available and the evidence of rape would be there. We would go to criminal court. How you see any outcome from this as more than a payout is beyond me.
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My guess is the girls that were raped felt their attackers were at fault and also they were enabled by the culture of the UT athletic dept. Some of these girls are taking their attackers to criminal court ALONG with joining in this lawsuit. Settling one case doesn't weaken or strengthen the other
 
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chargervol said:
No doubt. But whatever happened in those situations, I have seen nothing suggesting UT was responsible for any wrong doing. The University lawsuit will never be anything but a money grab to me.
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UT plans to review and modify their processes which is what the suit was about. that was part of the announcement.
 
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08Vol said:
My guess is the girls that were raped felt their attackers were at fault and also they were enabled by the culture of the UT athletic dept. Some of these girls are taking their attackers to criminal court ALONG with joining in this lawsuit. Settling one case doesn't weaken or strengthen the other
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Sure it does.
 
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LWSVOL said:
UT plans to review and modify their processes which is what the suit was about. that was part of the announcement.
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Yeah, but I guess it's a matter of opinion. I don't truly believe they feel they created any problem, they are just playing the new culture PC game for public perception.
 
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overit said:
Most of you idiots are so full of crap it's fascinating to me that it's not spewing out of your ears. Don't you realize that your arguments, "people just have it out for football players" and "you can't judge all off of one" are so contradictory. You also can't say that just because 95% of the team isn't committing assault and rape doesn't mean that the other 5% isn't. You seriously have deluded yourself into believing that with that big of a group, there haven't been any crimes committed???? When in fact, 1 in 5 women get raped on college campuses. You are telling me that it is not at all possible, that these boys did in fact, commit brutal crimes?
The ludicrous lengths that people will go to convince themselves that college rapes aren't happening is, quite frankly, appalling. I cannot fathom how masses and masses of people have been brainwashed into thinking that these young athletes could not possibly do any wrong doing. Most of these people and fans have never spoken to these athletes in their lives. Hell, most probably haven't even spoken to someone who knows these boys on any kind of legitimate level. Yet, people begin obsessing over these boys when they're still in high school. As a society, we have made them idols. People don't know much about their habits, individual personalities, or shortcomings. What they do know is stats: height, weight, wing span, how fast they can run, how far they can throw or kick a ball, how many points they've scored, or in the case of universities, how much money can be made off of them. College football is a multimillion dollar business after all.
I'm not here to condemn every football player. I am fully aware that the majority of the players are probably just good guys who love the game. That's cool with me. What is not cool with me, is that fact that for whatever reason we have been convinced that every single last one of these athletes is a saint. There's an expression out there, you might of heard it before, that there's always a few bad apples in every bunch. So can someone please explain to me how everyone can believe that there are no bad apples in the hundreds of student athletes at any given university? Sure, they might not start off on any bad paths, but it has been proven time and time again, that when people are idolized at a young age they are often treated with insane amounts of privilege. And often times, cannot deal with it.
For athletes, privelege means they often receive free dining on campus, additional help in classes and private tutors (I believe schools have even gone down for creating entirely new, lighter courses specifically just for athletes to pass), social media coaching, later deadlines, and recently, UT has also allotted nearly $6,000 stipends to go to student athletes who already receive full scholarships. I would also like to add that thats currently the largest stipend amount out of the other universities offering stipends to student athletes. That's $6,000 worth of spending money to a kid who is already eating, sleeping, and attending a university for free with additional added benefits that other students don't get to benefit from. So to say that people are making up that these are very privileged kids is just bull****.
So what do we have here? A fan base convinced that every single one of their athletes is 100% innocent. Who then also have the notion that all of these girls are asking for it and falsely accusing (which btw, rape has the same exact false reporting statistics that every other crime in America has-around 2%, but they must all just be lying and in it for the money, huh?), coaches and police departments discussing crimes BEFORE they are ever investigated, a Vol team comprised of solely attractive young women to "entertain" young recruits, and the largest stipend amount to student athletes nationwide. But no, no, no there's no student athlete entitlement problem or rape culture at UT, right?
THANK GOD we can all finally move on and focus on what really matters here which is football and recruiting despite the fact that this will never be over for those girls. They will live with what happened to them for the rest of their lives, but thank god that the rest of us get to focus on the important things in life again now. You all should be ashamed.
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82_VOL_83 said:
Dropping those cases should have been a stipulation of being on the other case as a defendant. But this payout by UT could damage the criminal case.
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the cases are different..

case 1 is girl versus football player who is accused of a criminal act.

this case was about the review process required by the title IX law that the university was to do not being as expedient as required by the law. The filing by the plaintiffs stated that the slow review process created the culture issue. But the point of the suit was UT was not following the law with their review procedures. Totally different than the criminal cases.
 
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08Vol said:
Some of the women still are seeking justice from the court system. This does nothing to affect the status of AJ Johnson or Michael Williams case. They both may still spend 20+ years in prison even tho their accuser got $180,000 from UT
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1 person and the other is the accuser's friend if I remember correctly.

I believe most understand this doesn't automatically acquit AJ Johnson and Michael Williams. I believe the point people are making is that if the plaintiffs' case was strong enough to make it through court, they would have seen this thing through to maximize UT's punishment (monetary) for allegedly promoting a rape culture. Just my opinion.
 
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chargervol said:
Yeah, but I guess it's a matter of opinion. I don't truly believe they feel they created any problem, they are just playing the new culture PC game for public perception.
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Maybe but with Alexis Johnson, it has been 6 months since his allegations were made known and he has still not a review with the student conduct board at UT. That sounds like a process issue to me.
 
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chargervol said:
If I were seeking justice, I would want the trial to happen in the public's attention. Settling for some money where the school has to admit no wrong would not interest me.

I get what you're trying to say but man, that's just not the case.
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You're also opening yourself up to being called a slut. Heck, it's the defense attorneys' job to call you a slut.
 
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LWSVOL said:
Maybe but with Alexis Johnson, it has been 6 months since his allegations were made known and he has still not a review with the student conduct board at UT. That sounds like a process issue to me.
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And the girl was on the lawsuit before any prolonged time frame could have been claimed. That seems odd also.
Like I said, opinions.
 
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chargervol said:
No doubt. But whatever happened in those situations, I have seen nothing suggesting UT was responsible for any wrong doing. The University lawsuit will never be anything but a money grab to me.
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I don't think the case was saying Butch or Hart told the players "At UT you can have any woman you want and she can't say no, so go out and do your worst". I think it was based around a lot of little things that when put together look bad.
Having your team captain on D either rape or sleep with a teammates GF behind his back then have teammates threaten that player.
Having the police call the coach about a rape accusation before they interview the players involved.
Having Kiffin's coeds that he paid to sleep with recruits.
Having your star WR take a girl home from the bar, hook up with her after your team mate does, then kick her out at 3am.
That just a few things they used to paint the culture of UT as turning a blind eye to rape and the threat of sexual assault. Also this was a money grab but that's normal, you can't put the university in jail so you punish it the only way you can, financially.
 
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LWSVOL said:
UT plans to review and modify their processes which is what the suit was about. that was part of the announcement.
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I would be curious as to what they plan to modify as IMO their process seems fair (from the outside looking in) to both the accuser and accused as it has been executed in the past.

Some who make the complaints would like for the one accused to be kicked out of school, but the university cannot do that unless there is a clear violation of the school's policy. Accusations are just accusations until they are proven by a criminal court of law.

At some point, some university is going to have to let this all play out in court so that folks can see how stupid parts of Title IX really is.
 
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LWSVOL said:
Maybe but with Alexis Johnson, it has been 6 months since his allegations were made known and he has still not a review with the student conduct board at UT. That sounds like a process issue to me.
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Does it take that long for non-athletes to go before the student conduct board? Serious question.
 
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