Recruiting Forum Football Talk XXVI

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#2,426
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I think Butch is a great recruiter and can see talent. Stating the obvious, many of these guys may pull a Drew Richmond if we are shown to be winners in the fall.

For those people who remember the Gruden fiasco, Dr. Basketball (Chattanooga radio personality) has died. He was one who helped spur the fun along..

Edit: This was one of the last pictures he posted...

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We will be fine. Don't worry about recruiting until about December . It can change in a moment. We have a decent start. We will get some and lose some. Don't be surprised if things don't get crazy when it comes to Tee. And we will get other big time guys. I worry about butch on the field coaching because that's his biggest weakness so far. Why would I worry about his recruiting when he has always got the job done. I think we get a top eight class by winning the east.
 
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tmac5469 said:
We will be fine. Don't worry about recruiting until about December . It can change in a moment. We have a decent start. We will get some and lose some. Don't be surprised if things don't get crazy when it comes to Tee. And we will get other big time guys. I worry about butch on the field coaching because that's his biggest weakness so far. Why would I worry about his recruiting when he has always got the job done. I think we get a top eight class by winning the east.
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Talk to me about recruiting after ut wins the sec championship
 
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CrunchingTheVolz said:
I believe most felt winning 9 games and destroying Northwestern in the bowl would have shown the improvement recruits needed to see to know UT had turned that corner. Recruiting doesn't appear to be showing that at all.
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I think kids see the talent. They may not see a coach able to maximize it.

We should have been better than 9-4.

Those blown leads against Oklahoma and Florida were inexcusable.

Butch is paying for them now.
 
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BruinVol said:
Things were much worse on that side of things when guys like Hurd and Malone jumped on board.

Zero shot at a top 5 class imo. I am hoping for top 15 now
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Our 2017 class is directly tied to the 2016 season.

Our poll position when the final AP poll drops will coincide with what class we land in 2017.

- Win the East but lose the title game and top 15 it is.

- Win the SEC and we'll have a top 5 class.

- Win the natty and we coming for that #1 spot.
 
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BruinVol said:
Hopefully I am wrong but I would guess the top 5 is out of reach realistically at this point
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If Butch Jones coaches this team to it's potential, nothing is out of reach.

We have a national title contending roster.

Butch can salvage a top 5 class if he wins the SEC and makes the playoffs.
 
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BruinVol said:
Very little difference between top 15 and top 10.

I am fine with us finishing in top 15. Outside of that is where the drop off seems to be steeper
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Unless you land a top 5 class, they're all really the same anyways.

IMO it's a total failure for Butch of we don't land a top 5 class in 2017.

You don't win national titles without being in the top 5 CONSISTENTLY.
 
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BruinVol said:
OU got there last year and has been around that 10-15 range some
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Big 12 aint the SEC.

Look what happened to Oklahoma when they faced a team in Clemson that recruited better.

They got HAMMERED.

We aint winning national title without consistent top 5 recruiting classes. 2014 and 2015 must be the norm. Not aberrations.

If they are, then we're going back to being a laughing stock.
 
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nicksjuzunk said:
Recruiting is a mystery now, but 2017 recruits don't affect team 120.

Take a step back from recruiting for a while, and enjoy a great season. I'm betting, after NSD, no one will be freaking out about recruiting, even if we missed on some names we expected, the talent will be there.
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All the recruiting issues will go away when we prove we can close out games, with possibly the exception of WR. For that, we'll need to prove this offense/coaching staff won't let elite WR go to waste. Honestly after watching this team the last three years, I'd hesitate to sign up if I were an elite WR, and I'm a huge Vol fan. You know Clemson coaches were using that to recruit Tee. Hopefully PW has a monster year and puts all that to bed.
 
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nicksjuzunk said:
What really sucks is my attitude is affected by this today. I'm struggling to be positive around people, and that's taking this too far in my book.

It feels like a game lost, SMH
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It's like we lost a game, but they're letting us replay the game in late December, and the outcome of that one is all that matters. I still think if we win big this year and Malone or PW have a decent year we get Tee back.
 
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RiseToTheTop said:
5 star DE to UGA. Good to see that under achieving doesnt affect them like it does us.
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And his quote:

"I love my state and want to bring a national championship back to Georgia."

Meanwhile, TN kids are like "Get me out of this hellhole! I'll go anywhere! Even some podunk town in South Carolina!"
 
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Aesius said:
If Butch can get the program rolling again, all the 7 year olds out there will want to be Vols circa 2026.
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if we have the yr many expect then recruiting will be fine by NSD. But if we have another 8-4 then its gonna get brutal around here trying to persuade kids to come. Thats the bottom line. Every yr theres been progress but this yr is huge. Thats what it boils down to
 
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Guys.

Breathe.

Damn.

It's like my wife when she misses a big sale or something. "They're out of stock! They'll probably NEVER have it again..."
 
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Surprised I havent seen it mentioned but there is little doubt the bad PR from the lawsuit is playing a role in this recruiting cycle.

How big that role is certainly is debatable but there is zero doubt it's been a factor at least in some small way
 
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This is a dooley class imo, looking like crap. Good news is that we have a LONG way to go before NSD. If we win the east the recruits will start flipping.
 
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I get why people are disappointed, but some
of the doom and gloom seems a little premature. I'm not trying to pump sunshine, but everything is still all out in front of us. We as Vol fans know we are turning the corner, but the team still has to show it. Tennessee has to prove that they can win the games that matter and do it consistently. The Georgia game last year was huge, and it was a great moment, but you have to look at all this from a high schooler's perspective. Tennessee had a nice win over a rival, but they also choked against UF and OU.

Meanwhile, Clemson is a favorite for a national title having just come off the title game and several years of really solid success. Clemson is already OVER the hump. If you're a high school kid and you want to win a national title, there's Clemson,
who was a hair away from doing it in a year they weren't expected to, and there's us, whose best season in nearly a decade was winning the Outback Bowl over a Big Ten team and finishing ranked 23rd.

As far as Georgia is concerned, there's ALWAYS hype with a new coach -- especially one who is held in good regard, as Kirby Smart is (whether it's warranted or not is yet to be determined). Everything is a clean slate. Georgia is running on Kool Aid right now, and things can quickly change if the hype doesn't translate. I mean, for goodness sake, remember when Stoops was tearing it up on the recruiting trail for Kentucky? Eventually you have to deliver results to keep that going.

So that's where we find ourselves. Tennessee has to DELIVER this year. They can't offer immediate playing time like they could a couple of cycles ago. They don't have that new coach smell anymore. Tennessee has to show they can be what Jones has been selling since 2013.

Do that, and this all takes care of itself. All of it. Tennessee doesn't need Tee Higgins to beat Florida THIS YEAR, or Bama, or to win the East, or win the conference. It's all out in front. The Vols can write their future. I have faith that they're going to write us a very bright one this year.
 
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jave36 said:
It's like we lost a game, but they're letting us replay the game in late December, and the outcome of that one is all that matters. I still think if we win big this year and Malone or PW have a decent year we get Tee back.
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No way.

Tee committed to Clemson on his visit (why their sources were confident) came to OCD, and either committed to Tennesee, or certainly led the coaches to believe he was about to commit, (why our "inside" sources were confident, as well as most TN media), then turns around and trolls the Vols.

He saw how Hunter Johnson did it, and followed like a puppy dog, as opposed to recognizing it as a dirty move (but all is fair in llove and recruiting, right? :angel:)

The only way I let Rodgers, Higgins or Johnson even sniff the TN facilities is with a public decommitment from Clemson. Those cats are thick as thieves, and their only goal on TN campus is to divide the TN program... period.

Tee has seen what he needs to see at TN, and decided to bounce.

Peace out.
 
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BruinVol said:
Surprised I havent seen it mentioned but there is little doubt the bad PR from the lawsuit is playing a role in this recruiting cycle.

How big that role is certainly is debatable but there is zero doubt it's been a factor at least in some small way
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Lawsuit has had zero effect.

- Its the 0 draft picks in 2 years.
- The 4th quarter collapses.
- And with WR recruits, the lack of a dynamic passing attack thats hurting us.
 
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