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Thunder Good-Oil said:
When Bruce had a #2 seed in his first year do you think that TN would be favored over 56-59 of the other 63 seeds?
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Lol

I think when we lost that year it was considered an upset. Yep

Feel free to check out the vegas lines if you want. I know some Bigtime gamblers and i know they like to bet against bad NCAA tourney coaches and likely moved the line in the direction you want for your thinking here
 
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BruinVol said:
Lol

I think when we lost that year it was considered an upset. Yep

Feel free to check out the vegas lines if you want. I know some Bigtime gamblers and i know they like to bet against bad NCAA tourney coaches and likely moved the line in the direction you want for your thinking here
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I'm pointing out that you incorrectly said that Texas was upset in 9 of 14 NCAATs. They lost to lower seeds 9 times which is something different. L.O.L.
 
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Nothing you can tell this ignoramus about Barnes to make him change his mind.

Don't worry, though, I've got it screen shotted where he said he'd be thrilled with an NIT appearance.
 
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Are we lost in the semantics of this argument?
If the argument is that he under achieves with his level of talent, that's the main knock on him by most experts in the sport.
More than other coaches? How would you determine that?

The AP (Pre and final) would suggest he fits the profile of an under achiever.
Do we need another list of his NBA talent?
 
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calban said:
Are we lost in the semantics of this argument?
If the argument is that he under achieves with his level of talent, that's the main knock on him by most experts in the sport.
More than other coaches? How would you determine that?

The AP (Pre and final) would suggest he fits the profile of an under achiever.
Do we need another list of his NBA talent?
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Man, I'm sure there are a lot of coaches that wish they could underachieve their way to 600+ wins..
 
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jcv0010 said:
Man, I'm sure there are a lot of coaches that wish they could underachieve their way to 600+ wins..
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I think the question is can he win at the same pace or just under with the kind of players he will get at tenn.

If he does he will be a rock star hire
 
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BruinVol said:
I think the question is can he win at the same pace or just under with the kind of players he will get at tenn.

If he does he will be a rock star hire
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That's the main reason I see a sub 500 season again this year.
He doesn't have the talent or the type of players he had during his early run at Texas.
He needs high percentage 3 pt shooters, ball handlers who don't turn it over and big guys that control the boards.
Does he have one of those ingredients this season?
 
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calban said:
True, but it is still what history says about him.
For the talent he had, he should have done much more.
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Yes, he had some talent to work with, but you act as though they were all on the same team at the same time.

If you look at his tourney history you could argue that he didn't underachieve. As we all know anything can happen during March Madness.

His best regular season teams were as follows:
2002-2003- 26-7 (Final 4)
2005-2006- 30-7(Elite 8)
2007-2008- 31-7 (Elite 8)
2010-2011- 28-8 (3rd round)

In 2002 they lost to Syracuse (Carmelo Anthony)
In 2005 they lost to Memphis who went on to play for the title.
In 2007 they lost to a very good LSU team (Glen Davis, Tyrus Thomas, Garrett Temple).
In 2010 they lost to Arizona.

Also, if you look at his recruiting the majority of the talent came from Texas probably (80-90%).
He had a couple of big name guys (Tristan Thompson, Cory Joseph, and Kabongo) all come from Henderson, NV.

Yes, he had some NBA guys but they weren't all together and apart from 3-4 of them they aren't big name guys. Everyone acts as if he is Cal and pulling in tons of 1st rounders that are all actually playing with one another.

I'm sure everyone would take Cal as coach, but if you want to talk about Underachieving look at the guys he has had on the same team too.
 
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jcv0010 said:
Yes, he had some talent to work with, but you act as though they were all on the same team at the same time.

If you look at his tourney history you could argue that he didn't underachieve. As we all know anything can happen during March Madness.

His best regular season teams were as follows:
2002-2003- 26-7 (Final 4)
2005-2006- 30-7(Elite 8)
2007-2008- 31-7 (Elite 8)
2010-2011- 28-8 (3rd round)

In 2002 they lost to Syracuse (Carmelo Anthony)
In 2005 they lost to Memphis who went on to play for the title.
In 2007 they lost to a very good LSU team (Glen Davis, Tyrus Thomas, Garrett Temple).
In 2010 they lost to Arizona.

Also, if you look at his recruiting the majority of the talent came from Texas probably (80-90%).
He had a couple of big name guys (Tristan Thompson, Cory Joseph, and Kabongo) all come from Henderson, NV.

Yes, he had some NBA guys but they weren't all together and apart from 3-4 of them they aren't big name guys. Everyone acts as if he is Cal and pulling in tons of 1st rounders that are all actually playing with one another.

I'm sure everyone would take Cal as coach, but if you want to talk about Underachieving look at the guys he has had on the same team too.
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Why do you think Texas fired him?
75% of the fanbase supported his departure. why?
 
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calban said:
Why do you think Texas fired him?
75% of the fanbase supported his departure. why?
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Fans are unrealistic, they think their team is going to win the ship every year.

Look at Bama, the year they lost the iron bowl with the long FG attempt fans were calling for Saban to be fired and questioning if the game had passed him by.
 
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calban said:
That's the main reason I see a sub 500 season again this year.
He doesn't have the talent or the type of players he had during his early run at Texas.
He needs high percentage 3 pt shooters, ball handlers who don't turn it over and big guys that control the boards.
Does he have one of those ingredients this season?
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Turner could be a huge factor in part of that
 
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jcv0010 said:
Fans are unrealistic, they think their team is going to win the ship every year.

Look at Bama, the year they lost the iron bowl with the long FG attempt fans were calling for Saban to be fired and questioning if the game had passed him by.
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Agreed with this for sure
 
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jcv0010 said:
Fans are unrealistic, they think their team is going to win the ship every year.

Look at Bama, the year they lost the iron bowl with the long FG attempt fans were calling for Saban to be fired and questioning if the game had passed him by.
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One example of why they were turned off was the 9-10 season.
AP had them #1. Fans were expecting a FF run.
They were booted out in the first round.

Were the fans unrealistic?
 
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calban said:
One example of why they were turned off was the 9-10 season.
AP had them #1. Fans were expecting a FF run.
They were booted out in the first round.

Were the fans unrealistic?
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Not necessarily but it's possible that they got too caught up in preseason hype.

Similar to what is going on right now with UT football. Many think that it's a playoff run or bust. Is that realistic or hype?
 
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Of all of these great players that Barnes supposedly underachieved with, most were two year players, some of the best were one year players, and NONE were four year players. So he was supposed to steam roll through one of the best programs in college basketball history (Kansas), Oklahoma, Iowa State, Baylor, Kansas State, TX A&M, Missouri, OK State, and Texas Tech with TEENAGERS.
 
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Thunder Good-Oil said:
Of all of these great players that Barnes supposedly underachieved with, most were two year players, some of the best were one year players, and NONE were four year players. So he was supposed to steam roll through one of the best programs in college basketball history (Kansas), Oklahoma, Iowa State, Baylor, Kansas State, TX A&M, Missouri, OK State, and Texas Tech with TEENAGERS.
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You being the resident expert, I guess I would expect you to know more than the majority of media analysts who say that his teams consistently under achieved in the tourney.
Except for your own bloated opinion can you post a source that says otherwise?
 
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calban said:
You being the resident expert, I guess I would expect you to know more than the majority of media analysts who say that his teams consistently under achieved in the tourney.
Except for your own bloated opinion can you post a source that says otherwise?
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So the media is the be all end all? They are wrong more often than not. I wouldn't try to cite them as a credible source.

You can debate this until you're blue in the face, but at the end of the day we are all only pontificating.
 
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The tourney is a crap shoot every year. Unless you are a top 5 seed that is constantly being bounced in the 1st round it's hard to say you have underachieved.

In college hoops you just have to get in the tourney (regardless of seeding) and let the chips fall where they may. After the first round essentially everyone has a decent shot at making a run.
 
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jcv0010 said:
So the media is the be all end all? They are wrong more often than not. I wouldn't try to cite them as a credible source.

You can debate this until you're blue in the face, but at the end of the day we are all only pontificating.
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Well then. Join thunder as Legends in your own minds.
You obviously missed your life Callings.
 
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Thunder Good-Oil said:
Of all of these great players that Barnes supposedly underachieved with, most were two year players, some of the best were one year players, and NONE were four year players. So he was supposed to steam roll through one of the best programs in college basketball history (Kansas), Oklahoma, Iowa State, Baylor, Kansas State, TX A&M, Missouri, OK State, and Texas Tech with TEENAGERS.
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You bring up a Huge point in his post season lack of success. Not long ago I went back thru a number of rosters and discovered that players that don't turn pro very rarely stay all 4 years for Barnes. That a problem that must be fixed while here at tenn. Way too many players transferred out of his program
 
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jcv0010 said:
The tourney is a crap shoot every year. Unless you are a top 5 seed that is constantly being bounced in the 1st round it's hard to say you have underachieved.

In college hoops you just have to get in the tourney (regardless of seeding) and let the chips fall where they may. After the first round essentially everyone has a decent shot at making a run.
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If it's such a crap shoot why is it the same coaches year after year in the final 4?
 
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calban said:
Well then. Join thunder as Legends in your own minds.
You obviously missed your life Callings.
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So anyone can't have an opinion on sports?

Please tell me what makes their opinion better than any other educated viewer?

Are they not wrong a lot? How many preseason favorites go on to win it all? How many underdogs end up coming out on top?

No one can predict what's going to happen in sports. What did all of your expert media guys say about the Cavs/Warriors series?

Get real dude.
 
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