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#76
#76
Here's my opinion for what it's worth. U.T. Is a unique situation. There is no other place like it. It takes a certain kind of individual to pull this off. They have to be centered, well raised, experienced, focused individuals that know a little bit about what's going on and they have to want to be here. Any lesser individual, anyone wanting to use this as a stop to greener grass is going to be eaten alive. Butch is the kind of individual that sets goals and sees them through and he has set a goal of returning U.T. to the top of college ball. After he does that he may very well set himself a new goal in life and rightfully so but he's not going to go anywhere until he sees this thing through to completion. That's what makes him the right man for the job.
 
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#77
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IluvdoubleD's said:
Here's my opinion for what it's worth. U.T. Is a unique situation. There is no other place like it. It takes a certain kind of individual to pull this off. They have to be centered, well raised, experienced, focused individuals that know a little bit about what's going on and they have to want to be here. Any lesser individual, anyone wanting to use this as a stop to greener grass is going to be eaten alive. Butch is the kind of individual that sets goals and sees them through and he has set a goal of returning U.T. to the top of college ball. After he does that he may very well set himself a new goal in life and rightfully so but he's not going to go anywhere until he sees this thing through to completion. That's what makes him the right man for the job.
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I agree. I think anyone whose been paying attention knows this is the year for Butch and Tennessee. If UT isn't at least in the SEC title game, it was a failure.
 
#78
#78
CrunchingTheVolz said:
Butch had it set up nicely IMO. Tradition rich school, rabid fan base, huge amount of playing time to offer recruits. I think it was set up to succeed if a guy was willing to put in the work. The man did. Now can he sustain recruiting TOP recruits like that without the playing time angle? Can he continue getting recruits and families to buy into the family atmosphere while cutting guys loose? Possibly. That's the only thing I'm not sold on just yet. Where I'm sitting, it looks like recruiting has changed a bit for Butch.
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I often find that watching someone else do all the work, makes people more confident in deciding that it wasn't that hard.

As far as recruiting, all yesterday did was guarantee a medium/decent class. Where each player will end up ranked or if any are over-recruited later, is not yet known BY ANYONE.

So basically, we are making projections of the future based on some info but mostly our own personalities.
That's why we are seeing the spectrum range from "it's happening" to "I'm a miserable s.o.b. and this is proof everything sucks".
 
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CrunchingTheVolz said:
Tough to say. A guys college coaching style and NFL style could be very different. I could actually see him being a guy who would gel in the NFL way of doing things.
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You predicted Strip would retire two years ago...lost faith in you. :sad:
 
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Fred Weary said:
Top 5 (or 10 for that matter) classes in February aren't comprised with 14+ 3 stars. That's just the plain truth. No reason not to be pleased with this class, but no reason to blindly spin it, either. It is what it is.
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To test your theory, I had to go all the way back to last year to see that Michigan had a top 5 class with 14 3 stars. That's just the plain truth. It is what is. FWIW
 
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chargervol said:
I often find that watching someone else do all the work, makes people more confident in deciding that it wasn't that hard.
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Yea, the internet has given a forum to the "fans and commmon folk" who usually had to bend the ear of somebody else in conversation who couldn't wait to walk away from their bloviating. Now they get to write out their opinion like a real boy, lends credence...

The thing is, the crtique even though it ranges from you suck to you are king never really bothers who the critique is centered around.

Butch sucks - he still gets hired.
This movies sucks - you still watch


yet you can't coach or write a movive.

There are a lot of sad angry and frustrated people out there that have a relationship with what they love where they find the need to be critical to extreme measures when they are dissapointed, it shows they care. They should try that with their wife...

Funny enough I had this discussion last week with one of my friends in the BIZ who was getting blasted on the twitter. He was laughing at guys who can't spell and type out things with 42 exclamation points telling him he was bad. The irony.
 
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Really good point Mustafa.



I get confused by people that focus on negative aspects I guess.
Even when I debate details here, I'm still happy with where UT is and headed. Never got the endless fretting as long as things have been going well.
 
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butchna said:
And when it's wrong for them to do it and it happens anyway? Round and round we go. :loco: You don't have to enjoy it but it's happening.
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When Bobby Dodd pulled Ga Tech out of the SEC in the early 60s, one of his primary issues was over recruiting (especially by Alabama). His big issue was that it denied players to other teams. There's been some headway, but not real resolution in creative recruiting.
 
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#87
A lot of these three stars will probably get bumped up to four stars. I don't put too much stock in star ratings though. Just look at a guy's offer list; if they've got offers from the likes of Michigan, USC, Auburn, Florida, then that's all you need to know
 
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Kristy* said:
To test your theory, I had to go all the way back to last year to see that Michigan had a top 5 class with 14 3 stars. That's just the plain truth. It is what is. FWIW
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And in 2017 Michigan is also lopsided, like Tennessee with 3*, with 8 of them.
 
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Kristy* said:
To test your theory, I had to go all the way back to last year to see that Michigan had a top 5 class with 14 3 stars. That's just the plain truth. It is what is. FWIW
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I do understand the importance of having those immediate impact 5* and 4* players. The way I look at it, most of the 5* players and the top 4* players are only going to stay 3 years max - then unless they are a complete bust, they are heading to the NFL. The lower rated 4* and the 3* players ultimately make up the composition of players that stay with the system, learn it inside out and while they may never make the "visible" impact that a really great 5* makes - they end up being the heart and soul of the team.

There are obviously other tangibles that determine whether a team wins or not. LSU, FSU, USC, Georgia, Auburn are some of the teams that have constantly been in the top ten the last few years. Based on what some folks on here have said, their record does NOT reflect what one would expect given their recruiting rankings.

Then there is Michigan State, who was in the playoffs last year and just missed the year before. They have for the most part over the last 4 years signed mostly those 3* that some on here seem to loaf. Their recruiting rankings 18, 16, 25 and 35. Michigan seems to be similar though they end up getting enough 4* to bounce them into the top 10 some years.

A team has to have the right composition of players and a team has to have players that buy into the philosophy of the team, coaching staff, etc. You don't recruit that 5* player if your offense / defense doesn't use that type of player unless of course the player can and is willing to convert to the type of player the team needs. I would dare say that 99% of the 5* are not willing to do that.

This has got to be the hardest thing for a coach to do. You have the top recruits who know they are good and are looking for a team that fits what they do best - their goal, their dream after all is 3 years then to the NFL. And you have the coach, who is looking for the best players to fit with their team, their offense, their defense, their philosophy, the atmosphere at their school, etc. Then you have the "coaches" among the "fan base" that get caught up with the numbers and complain.
 
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#90
Butch Jones and staff are once again recruiting well, I've been around a few years and it's always the same thing. Some will argue with a fence post. Butch Jones and staff are always going to have us in the top 10 most years and top 5 many years. Now every now and then we may have a smaller class in numbers that don't make top 10 but we will get quality players even in them years. This staff knows how to evaluate talent that is the key, look at how many have produced versus not producing. Now not everybody will be a hit but it's pretty clear this staff hits on more than it misses. But the doubters will always be there. Another thing is how players improve or regress, for the most part our players seem to improve under these coaches than regress. Again it's not a perfect science, but anyone that can't tell our improvement from the time Coach Jones got here to now needs to find another hobby. GO BIG ORANGE!!!!!
 
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My take on all the rankings of players is this.. Remember, I'm just a fan of the sport..

I believe you can have two players with the same athletic abilities and intangibles..

One player is well coached in techniques, attends the camps, becomes visible and on the radar..

The other player is not as well coached, does not get to attend camps and is off the radar so to speak.

A good evaluation of second player and a coach may see his potential and upside based off his film and natural abilities and instincts.. Also With personal evaluation.

Some high school coaches I have witness could not teach any more technique than me.. Some are phenomenal. If CBJ and staff sees a player they believe they can develop, he may be a 3* when he signs with the program, with 4-5* intangibles with proper coaching.. Second year in the college program and you may see this happen..

Just my opinion on all this.

Also, I think the more popular 4-5* players are waiting to commit based on wanting their day to shine with the hat chosing and all.. JMO
 
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Fred Weary said:
Top 5 (or 10 for that matter) classes in February aren't comprised with 14+ 3 stars. That's just the plain truth. No reason not to be pleased with this class, but no reason to blindly spin it, either. It is what it is.
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They're not?

2014 Tennessee final 247 recruiting rank: #7

16 3-stars
16 4-stars
0 5-stars

2015 Tennessee final 247 recruiting rank: #4

12 3-stars
15 4-stars
1 5-star

Could've easily dropped 2 4-star recruits and added 2 3-stars and remained firmly in the top10 in 2015.
 
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#96
#96
I think people forget this is the definition of a
3 star player - "Three-star prospect. These are the players who will develop into reliable starters for the college teams. They are among the best players in their region of the country, and are generally among the top 750 players in the nation."
 
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be happy about the momentum a day like htat can bring. it obviously made an impression, and while there weren't any "big names" that pledged, i'd wager that the majority of the attendees left Knoxville with a very good impression, and it will weigh on their decisions, whenever they make them.

if you want to be skeptical...it's because the names that got dropped aren't headlining any threads in the recruiting forum.

either way, or both, Saturday was a good day. spin or no spin, if the worst thing you can say is "we only got 1 4* in the 8 commits we got", well.....ok then.
 
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VoL The Impaler said:
My take on all the rankings of players is this.. Remember, I'm just a fan of the sport..

I believe you can have two players with the same athletic abilities and intangibles..

One player is well coached in techniques, attends the camps, becomes visible and on the radar..

The other player is not as well coached, does not get to attend camps and is off the radar so to speak.

A good evaluation of second player and a coach may see his potential and upside based off his film and natural abilities and instincts.. Also With personal evaluation.

Some high school coaches I have witness could not teach any more technique than me.. Some are phenomenal. If CBJ and staff sees a player they believe they can develop, he may be a 3* when he signs with the program, with 4-5* intangibles with proper coaching.. Second year in the college program and you may see this happen..

Just my opinion on all this.

Also, I think the more popular 4-5* players are waiting to commit based on wanting their day to shine with the hat chosing and all.. JMO
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Totally agree with this.

I will say that there is at least one player (... I will not name names ...) that is considered a very elite player but in the game I saw him play he was outplayed big time by "no star" players. Was it a bad night? Was it him not trying? Was it lack of coaching by his coach at the time? Or was it the presence of coaching on the other side coupled with "who wanted it the most"? Don't know so I personally feel it better to rely on coaches who look in depth at these players to determine ability with the understanding that the true ability may not equate to the number of 'stars'.
 
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