Comparing Josh Dobbs and Chad Kelly vs. SEC competition

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Had it not been for a leg injury to a certain individual about 3 years ago, we may not have ever seen Dobbs take a snap as a starter. Wonder where D4H would have fell had that scenario happen?
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Dobbs plays in a run first offense, Kelly plays in the air raid which is why the passing yards number is irrelevant. We would expect Kelly to throw for a lot more yards cause that's Ole Miss offense.

The point here is the gap between the two in terms of passing gets large mainly because Kelly pads his numbers against weak competition.

Against top competition Dobbs plays the same while Kelly declines.
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No. The point here is that Ole Miss throws more than UT because they have a QB who can run that kind of O. If Dobbs were more accurate, UT would throw more.

And no. It isn't because Jones has a run first offense per se. He STRONGLY prefers balance. In games where Dobbs didn't play the majority of the snaps, UT ran 53% of the time. In games where he played the majority of snaps, UT has run 61% of the time.

Jones has played to his strength with Dobbs. If Dobbs could have provided UT with offensive balance, it is Jones tendency to coach that way. Instead, UT throws at a pretty low rate AND often throws passes that protect Dobbs... swings, screens, et al

For reference sake, Cincy ran the ball 54% of the time when Jones was there.


All of us want a GREAT kid like Dobbs to see his hard work pay off with him becoming a GREAT passer.... but to date he simply isn't.
 
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sjt18 said:
No you haven't. You've claimed that he should win the Heisman and that Kelly is a piece of crap who will amount to nothing in the NFL.... in spite of his obvious skills.

In response to various arguments by various people, you have tried to white wash the FACT that even when Dobbs completes passes down field he often forces receivers to make difficult catches and prevents YAC's.

I don't know what it is. But it IS there. To me, Dobbs best accuracy comes in games like USCe '14 when he just plays and does have time to think. That seems to indicate that the problem is in his head.... and those are often the most difficult problems to overcome.
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1. I never claimed be deserved to win the heisman last year. I've only predicted he would win it this year. And that's all it was a prediction.

2. I don't think Kelly is good draft prospect. He plays in an air raid offense that produces inflated numbers that fool lay people. It's simply an opinion. I'm guessing it's still ok to have an opinion in America.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Really?

Cause all I've seen is you demeaning our QB.
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No. It only seems that some of us are anti-Dobbs because we have to answer your non-sense with facts that aren't flattering to Dobbs.

I love Dobbs. He is a great running QB. But he's only
"effective" passing the ball. He's a gamer. His passing is is a machete rather than a scalpel.... effective to an extent but not "precise" or at maximum effectiveness.

His accuracy is average. If he had thrown the ball downfield as often as Kelly, you'd probably see his completion % much closer to 50%.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
1. I never claimed be deserved to win the heisman last year. I've only predicted he would win it this year. And that's all it was a prediction.
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And you did so on the premise that he is ALREADY a great, accurate passer.

2. I don't think Kelly is good draft prospect. He plays in an air raid offense that produces inflated numbers that fool lay people. It's simply an opinion. I'm guessing it's still ok to have an opinion in America.
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You're not a "lay person"? :eek:lol:

You don't like Kelly because most people think he's the SEC's best QB entering the year and not Dobbs. Kelly has an excellent arm and good athleticism.

When DC's prepare for UT, they "account" for Dobbs' passing. When they prepare for Ole Miss, they GAME PLAN for Kelly's passing.
 
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sjt18 said:
And you did so on the premise that he is ALREADY a great, accurate passer.
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You guys are the ones who obsess over this accuracy word. I personally have never used it to describe Dobbs or any QB.

The only words I use to describe Josh is TALENTED. The only premise I have about Dobbs is he's a great player.

And because he's talented and great, he'll win the heisman.
 
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sjt18 said:
You're not a "lay person"? :eek:lol:
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I am. I'm just a little more gifted than the typical lay fan.

sjt18 said:
You don't like Kelly because most people think he's the SEC's best QB entering the year and not Dobbs. Kelly has an excellent arm and good athleticism.

When DC's prepare for UT, they "account" for Dobbs' passing. When they prepare for Ole Miss, they GAME PLAN for Kelly's passing.
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Actually no. I don't like him cause he ain't a vol. Something y'all don't seem to care much about.

You'd rather attack our own in favor of other QBs.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
You guys are the ones who obsess over this accuracy word. I personally have never used it to describe Dobbs or any QB.

The only words I use to describe Josh is TALENTED. The only premise I have about Dobbs is he's a great player.

And because he's talented and great, he'll win the heisman.
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Would you like to place a friendly wager on Dobbs winning the heisman?
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
I am. I'm just a little more gifted than the typical lay fan.



Actually no. I don't like him cause he ain't a vol. Something y'all don't seem to care much about.

You'd rather attack our own in favor of other QBs.
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No, you'd rather ONLY watch the Vols when they're good. A self admitted bandwagon fan who can't watch "losers."

I bet you like the Patriots, Yankees and Warriors huh?
 
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Back to the topic at hand, Chad Kelly has only played in the SEC 1 year, Dobbs a cumulative 2 roughly. We can sit here and argue about it but nothing will change until this season plays out and we see how well each QB does.

In my opinion, I could care the hell less about which QB is better, as long as WE win.
 
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VOL 4 Life 83 said:
Would you like to place a friendly wager on Dobbs winning the heisman?
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I thought ban bets weren't allowed?

Either way why would you want to root for our QB to NOT win the heisman?

Bizarre issue to raise. Just look at my screen name. Me saying Dobbs will win the heisman shouldn't be a surprise.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
I thought ban bets weren't allowed?

Either way why would you want to root for our QB to not win the heisman?

Bizarre issue to raise. Just look at my screen name. Me saying Dobbs will win the heisman shouldn't be a surprise.
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Sarcasm. You can't see it?

And I'm not rooting for our QB to not win the Heisman. Honestly think the heisman doesn't really mean much anymore. I just can see that there are some ultra talented RB's that will probably all be in the top 4 this year with probably Deshaun Watson. Not saying Dobbs couldn't make it, but he's a serious dark horse.
 
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VOL 4 Life 83 said:
No, you'd rather ONLY watch the Vols when they're good. A self admitted bandwagon fan who can't watch "losers."

I bet you like the Patriots, Yankees and Warriors huh?
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No.

I like no NFL team currently since the Titans suck.

I don't follow baseball.

And in the NBA I never rooted for a team. Only liked certain players like Allen Iverson and Kobe Bryant. Right now I like LeBron and Russell Westbrook.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Really?

Cause all I've seen is you demeaning our QB.

If you don't like me that's fine. But your arguments always have a tinge of disrespect for Dobbs that others have noticed.

You claim I skew numbers to try and make Dobbs look better than he is. I'm sure you're just as guilty in the opposite. Skewing stats to make him look worse. Not acknowledging the difference in offenses between Ole Miss and Tennessee being the most glaring.
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Ha.
Yeah, it's everybody else that is causing the Dobbs debate.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
I am. I'm just a little more gifted than the typical lay fan.



Actually no. I don't like him cause he ain't a vol. Something y'all don't seem to care much about.

You'd rather attack our own in favor of other QBs.
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Funny, you didn't afford Mcneil, Randolph, O'Brien, among others the same Vol loyalty you afford Dobbs.
 
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VonVol said:
Funny, you didn't afford Mcneil, Randolph, O'Brien, among others the same Vol loyalty you afford Dobbs.
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I never said I didn't like them. Just thought we had better players behind them.

I've never tried to promote someone on another team above our own.
 
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Hey, D4H, hear me out for just 1 second.
Seriously, don't think about your rebuttal or search the web for a retort, just think about the message.
Times are good at UT. You have admitted that you wouldn't be here otherwise.
We are considered a contender, our roster is stacked and we are on the radar of all analysts.
Dobbs is incredibly popular and admired for his abilities and intelligence throughout the fb world AND the academic world.
Can we please just let the man (JD) and the fans, enjoy this?
He has more talent in many areas than most qb's can dream of.
Yet, you seem disturbingly focused on drawing attention to his only questionable skill.
WHY???
Let the man enjoy his success. Let the fans enjoy their admiration of that success.


For god's sake man, nobody here has a Heisman vote.! Just stop and let Dobbs - Dobbs.





Unless of course you are a troll as many suspect.
Then, a tip of the hat sir, you do start thread after thread that guarantees the factual fans will disprove your Dobbs fantasies. Inadvertently bringing doubt about Dobbs in the quest for accuracy.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
1. I never claimed be deserved to win the heisman last year. I've only predicted he would win it this year. And that's all it was a prediction.

2. I don't think Kelly is good draft prospect. He plays in an air raid offense that produces inflated numbers that fool lay people. It's simply an opinion. I'm guessing it's still ok to have an opinion in America.
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"Fool lay people"......Jesus kid, get over yourself
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Yes.

But there are 3 players we have better than anybody in college football right now. Dobbs, Hurd, and Sutton.
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Sutton might very well be the best corner in the nation, but Hurd isn't even the best at his position in the conference and Dobbs arguably isn't. Hurd is one of the best in the country but he just so happens to play in the same conference as Leonard Fournette. And if Chubb returns to the same form he was in pre-injury, he'd be behind him too.

Dobbs has an argument as best QB in the conference I think. I agree that Kelly's stats are inflated but I also think Kelly is a good QB overall(just speaking on college terms, could care less about the NFL when regarding debates/discussions about college players). If there's a difference in overall ability between the two of them I think it's negligible.

With that said, Dobbs isn't anywhere near being the best QB in the country. He's a good QB, especially for our offense, and certainly good enough to win a lot of games with this year, but in terms of a list of QBs I'd take going in to next year, I don't see any possible way for him to be argued as #1.

And I think the only name you need to bring up to keep Dobbs from #1 is Deshaun Watson. Deshaun Watson is a next level talent. He's like Russell Wilson all over again, Donovan McNabb may be a better comparison. His accuracy is incredible in combination with his athleticism, he's as cool as it gets in the clutch, I'm honestly amazed each time I watch him.

I don't see how even the biggest Dobbs homer could claim he's better than Deshaun Watson(there's a few other QBs I'd certainly put above Dobbs too, but I think Watson is in an entirely different universe/level).

If you want 3 players that have an argument as the best in America at their position on the Vols, Dobbs and Hurd wouldn't be there. The list would be Barnett, Reeves-Maybin and Sutton.
 
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