Bleacher Report's lead NFL Draft analyst on Josh Dobbs

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So is this another thread by D4H pushing his Dobbs agenda? I lost count after 10
 
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Power T-Rev said:
So is this another thread by D4H pushing his Dobbs agenda? I lost count after 10
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You guys sure hate on D4H ahelluvalot just for having an opinion.

I've wanted a QB like Dobbs for a long time. Our offense will be extremely hard to defend with our improved passing game.

The folks that say Dobbs can't throw it deep, have not a clue what they are talking about.

The one SEC coach that said "that's not his bag" was assuredly The Swamp Donkey. I have no doubt.
 
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Bope said:
You guys sure hate on D4H ahelluvalot just for having an opinion.

I've wanted a QB like Dobbs for a long time. Our offense will be extremely hard to defend with our improved passing game.

The folks that say Dobbs can't throw it deep, have not a clue what they are talking about.

The one SEC coach that said "that's not his bag" was assuredly The Swamp Donkey. I have no doubt.
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Remy said:
Ya'll let me know when you have a direct quote from Josh indicating that he can't wait to get to the NFL. I've seen his name associated with Pratt & Whitney a whole lot, spending time with them as well. His dream may not be the NFL.
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Goodness. I don't know why people keep saying this. As if being serious about academics means you don't want to play pro sports.

Go look up his Twitter page. His NFL ambitions are obvious.

Just this week he retweeted a picture of Peyton Manning's super bowl ring with the Broncos with a caption saying "Goals." https://mobile.twitter.com/josh_dobbs1/status/742196857049206784

He also retweeted a fans tweet with a Photoshop of him in a 49ers Jersey.https://mobile.twitter.com/jerrysworld2/status/741418319010467841

Plus if Twitter is too subtle for you, he EXPLICITLY said during SEC media days last year that his goal was to play pro football for as long as he could. Then he would use the money he made playing football to start an aerospace engineering business.

The kid has told us his plans. If only you would listen.
 
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KBVol said:
I believe in Josh's arm, athletic ability, intelligence, leadership abilities, character, running ability, and his decision making.......it's only his throwing accuracy that I don't have full confidence in.
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I agree 100%. How well he has improved his accuracy will go a long way to helping determine how we play this year and also whether or not he has a future in the NFL or if he is putting that degree to very good use. Either way he will have a great career at something. He does have brain lapses at times on his decision making as far as trying to force things sometimes. He had at least 7 int's that were dropped and probably several more. There was 4 in the Ala game alone and he needs to have better ball security when it comes to fumbles. Think he put the ball on the ground 11 or 12 times but was very fortunate to only lose a few of them. I think a good bit of it comes from not having a true or really good QB coach. Look at what Kiffin did for Crompton,Sims,Comer,what Cut did for Since when he came back. A good QB Coach can be the difference in a QB reaching his potential vs not maximizing his full potential. I definitely believe Butch has upgraded his staff since his very first one here but still would love to see an upper level type QB coach come in. We have too much QB potential on this roster to not get their potential reached. Hoping everything comes together for Josh this year and our offense could be very hard to stop.
 
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vollygirl said:
Does he want to go to the NFL?
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I couldn't imagine him not wanting to. If he gets that opportunity he could always put his degree to work after hisfootball career is done. Not a bad fall back option for Josh. Too many football players have nothing to fall back on once football is done and then are broke a year or two after their career is over. Just a matter of him making good money with his degree or making great money in the NFL.
 
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gobraves101035 said:
I will be highly surprised if Dobbs is even drafted. I could see him being drafted as a WR over being drafted as an NFL quarterback.
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How well his accuracy has improved will go a long way in determining where or what he is. I could honestly see him being a good receiver. He is electric with the ball in his hands and does it so effortlessly. I haven't seen anywhere that WR is even an option but if that change was ever made I think he would do well at it. Accuracy and ball security are his 2 biggest areas to improve on and will go a long way in determining how potent our offense will be. I would love to see what an elite type QB coach could do with Josh. Honestly think that has been what has somewhat held him back from being an elite type QB. Coaching can make all the difference in the world.
 
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swchandler1988 said:
Joshua Dobbs Stats | College Football at Sports-Reference.com

Russell Wilson Stats | College Football at Sports-Reference.com


These are Josh Dobbs' college stats and Russell Wilson's college stats. Look at them side by side and tell me why Dobbs wouldn't be a legit NFL quarterback. Not to mention Dobbs is 6'3 207 and Wilson is 5'11 206.
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The passing stats comparison isn't even close. The TD to Int radio isn't even on the same planet and neither is the yardage. Comparing both of their passing stats against the other would not make a good argument for Josh. Those stats are on opposite ends of the spectrum. Just like height hasn't hurt Wilson or Brees and didn't help Jarmarcus Russell or Tim Tebow. Wilson is a great passer and is accurate down field and so far Josh isn't. The yardage,TD/Into ratio and rating's arent even comparable right now.
 
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jasonvol18 said:
The passing stats comparison isn't even close. The TD to Int radio isn't even on the same planet and neither is the yardage. Comparing both of their passing stats against the other would not make a good argument for Josh. Those stats are on opposite ends of the spectrum. Just like height hasn't hurt Wilson or Brees and didn't help Jarmarcus Russell or Tim Tebow. Wilson is a great passer and is accurate down field and so far Josh isn't. The yardage,TD/Into ratio and rating's arent even comparable right now.
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My apologies, I was mainly focusing on the completion percentage comparison since that seems to be the main negative about Dobbs.

Also I don't think you looked at the number of games played. Dobbs had 5 games that he played in as a freshman, 6 games (starting with Alabama obviously) as a sophomore, and a whole season as a junior where the majority of the offense was focused on our 2 former 5 star RBs. Wilson played a full season each of his first 3 years.

The 6 games Dobbs had as a sophomore, completed 63% percent of his passes for 1200 yards. Wilson had 59.3% completed for 3000 yards...in 12 games.

This is actually a very fair comparison if you break down the amount of playing time each QB has had. Most definitely in the same conversation.

EDIT: The full season Dobbs has had compared to Wilson's full season junior year..

58% to Dobbs' 59%
3563 yards to Dobbs' 2291 yards
15 INTs to Dobbs' 5 INTS
***total rushing NC State: 1603 UT: 2908
 
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swchandler1988 said:
Joshua Dobbs Stats | College Football at Sports-Reference.com

Russell Wilson Stats | College Football at Sports-Reference.com


These are Josh Dobbs' college stats and Russell Wilson's college stats. Look at them side by side and tell me why Dobbs wouldn't be a legit NFL quarterback. Not to mention Dobbs is 6'3 207 and Wilson is 5'11 206.
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If Dobbs can even sniff the completion %, yards per attempt, TD to int ratio and passer rating this year that Wilson did as a senior, then you're right, there's no argument. Until then however, very little from Dobbs' body of work as a collegiate passer suggests he's gonna be a "legit NFL quarterback" IMHO.
 
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KBVol said:
If Dobbs can even sniff the completion %, yards per attempt, TD to int ratio and passer rating this year that Wilson did as a senior, then you're right, there's no argument. Until then however, very little from Dobbs' body of work as a collegiate passer suggests he's gonna be a "legit NFL quarterback" IMHO.
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I agree, this will be stating the obvious but yes the senior year will be the difference maker. Hopefully since any talk out of Knoxville about Dobbs this spring has been about him getting more accurate, and knowing that he's a hard worker and dedicated (and all the receiving tools at his disposal) He can make the same jump from junior to senior year.
 
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swchandler1988 said:
I agree, this will be stating the obvious but yes the senior year will be the difference maker. Hopefully since any talk out of Knoxville about Dobbs this spring has been about him getting more accurate, and knowing that he's a hard worker and dedicated (and all the receiving tools at his disposal) He can make the same jump from junior to senior year.
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This point has been agreed upon by just about everyone. Some think he can make the jump, and others aren't yet convinced.
 
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swchandler1988 said:
Tough crowd, new poster here. Just bored in the off season like everyone else :cray:
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Wasn't saying anything negative to you. The bottom line is that at this point, what Dobbs has shown doesn't equal to a great career in the NFL......or drafted in the top rounds like D4H has been babbling about. He's not there yet, but he could get there and he has this season to show it.
 
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swchandler1988 said:
My apologies, I was mainly focusing on the completion percentage comparison since that seems to be the main negative about Dobbs.

Also I don't think you looked at the number of games played. Dobbs had 5 games that he played in as a freshman, 6 games (starting with Alabama obviously) as a sophomore, and a whole season as a junior where the majority of the offense was focused on our 2 former 5 star RBs. Wilson played a full season each of his first 3 years.

The 6 games Dobbs had as a sophomore, completed 63% percent of his passes for 1200 yards. Wilson had 59.3% completed for 3000 yards...in 12 games.

This is actually a very fair comparison if you break down the amount of playing time each QB has had. Most definitely in the same conversation.

EDIT: The full season Dobbs has had compared to Wilson's full season junior year..

58% to Dobbs' 59%
3563 yards to Dobbs' 2291 yards
154 INTs to Dobbs' 5 INTS
***total rushing NC State: 1603 UT: 2908
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I do see where your argument is valid. But will say with Dobb's his % is only that high because about 75-80% of his passes are less than 10 yards. Even on those jet sweeps where he just tosses it forward to the guy in motion counts as a completion and all of the screen,swing and passes to the RB out of the backfield consists of the majority of our passes. I know a lot of that is supposed to be an extension of our run game but would be willing to bet less than 20-25% of his passes are actually in the air more than 10-15 yards. A lot of that is they know he has accuracy issues and just don't call as many. Last year our passing game became so predictable secondary's could play up and rarely worried about getting beat over the top. If he can start hitting those intermediate and deep passes it would do wonders for the run and short passing game. Honestly I'm shocked we ran as well as we did last year because teams could play up. That just shows how good our running game really is. But I do see your side of the argument. Our offense could go to that next level if Josh can start hitting those middle and deeper passes. We won't consistently beat the better teams on our schedule if we become as predictable as we were last year. Teams have this decade film on Debord's play calling and how predictable he can be. I'm sure a lot of that is him being limited on what he calls knowing there is a better chance of an incompletion or int than a completion when those passes go over 15 yards. I truly believe that will be the determining factor on us going 7-5 and getting a lower tier bowl vs going 10-2 or better and winning the East and hopefully even more.
 
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swchandler1988 said:
Tough crowd, new poster here. Just bored in the off season like everyone else :cray:
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Oh man, it's not about Dobbs.
He is one of the most popular quarterbacks Tennessee has had.

It's about him constantly pushing fantasy and getting everybody buying stock in something that isn't real.

There is no such thing as a cake walk to the National Championship which is his ultimate sale. And most of people who argue with him are regulars. We just don't want to sit and listen to the whining after the season.
When it turns out the D4H and the Nigerian prince they helped on the internet both mislead them.
That doesn't mean we can't win a National Championship, it just means there's no such thing as easily and "no excuse not to"
 
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k-town_king said:
Dobbs doesn't throw anymore short passes than any other qb. Peyton and Brady throw nothing but short passes.

But there is a great comparison to Dobbs. Tyrod Taylor

Tyrod Taylor Stats | College Football at Sports-Reference.com

Joshua Dobbs Stats | College Football at Sports-Reference.com
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Short passes for Peyton and Brady is around 10 yards. The majority of our passing game is screen,swing,RB out of the backfield and jet sweep when it gets tossed forward that we love to run at least 5 times a game. And as Debord and Butch has said we do throw A lot of short passes because it is used as an extension of the run game and they like to use both RB's as receivers out of the backfield. No matter how anyone twists it they don't trust Josh enough to throw more of the intermediate and deeper passes unless they just have to. But I guarantee if he gets those issues fixed we will see more of a vertical passing game.
 
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