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I'm currently re-reading the books and I remember that the 4th and 5th books (which were intended to be one book) are split by geography instead of chronologically. Has anyone read any attempts to merge the two chronologically that are well done? It wasn't that bad, but I did struggle at times to keep up with what had and hadn't happened already when I read the 5th one.
 
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utvols88 said:
Because shes awesome and ruthless. Most love a revenge story
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I just can't get behind bringing back one of the most annoying characters in a move that cheapens both death and the most memorable event of the story.

I think GRRM's inability to let concluded plot lines rest is part of why he's struggling to finish this series, and I see this character as a clear example of that.
 
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volinbham said:
So without spoilers - what would explain why the Brotherhood came back and slaughtered some hippies?

Anything from the show that would explain it?
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I have this question too. Unless they are simply desperate but it didn't look like they took much... there was an axe just sitting there ffs
 
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volinbham said:
So without spoilers - what would explain why the Brotherhood came back and slaughtered some hippies?

Anything from the show that would explain it?
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My guess is that they feel the devout followers of the Seven are detrimental to the people. Remember, the BWB are defenders of the people, and with the Sparrows preying on the weak, it wouldn't surprise me for the Brotherhood to wage war against them.
 
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Well we now know what Sansa's raven to Littlefinger said.

“[…] You promised to protect me. Now you have a chance to fulfill your promise. […] the Knights of the Vale are under your command. Ride north for Winterfell. Lend us your aid and I shall see to it that you are [well/properly] rewarded."
 
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volinbham said:
So without spoilers - what would explain why the Brotherhood came back and slaughtered some hippies?

Anything from the show that would explain it?
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I think they were selling themselves too much as the Brotherhood...in other words IMPOSTERS.
 
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I got the impression that the hound is being baited. The horse guys seemed to recognize him the first time they showed up and left because of he was there. I think they came back specifically because he was there, they just waited till he was away from camp to do so. Baited into what, though, I have no idea.
 
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tvolsfan said:
I really hope this isn't true. I know I'm in the minority, but I have a hard time understanding why people want this character.
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tvolsfan said:
I just can't get behind bringing back one of the most annoying characters in a move that cheapens both death and the most memorable event of the story.

I think GRRM's inability to let concluded plot lines rest is part of why he's struggling to finish this series, and I see this character as a clear example of that.
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I'm literally the exact opposite. I ca't for the life of me understand why people don't want the character and consider said character stupid.

In regards to why I like LSH, it's probably best to say that I like "terrifying" as well as shock. Her introduction in the epilogue of SoS, was absolutely that. One of those moments where I could actually hear/feel my jaw hit the floor, and just sat there gaping trying my best to think/visually imagine what the hell just happened. the image of a grotesque, disfigured, gaping slit in neck, Cat with those frecking HATEFUL eyes...man, absolute ****ing chills. THAT is **** that makes me enjoy reading/film. Such an incredible feeling for someone whole loves horror, tension, and supernatural. You talk about Cat being the most annoying character (which isn't quite true, though I'd agree she's top 5 in the category), well Stoneheart isn't ****ing Cat. I'll gladly take this monstrosity of death and cold vengeance over reg Cat or some of those other annoying characters.

I think you make a good point about GRRM's inability to let concluded plot lines rest and how part of that is why he's struggling to finish this series. Of course, you have to remember LSH is only the 2nd (1stish to a degree; we see Beric do it before, but then again he actually dies for good before we see LSH) character to actually come back from the dead. So if you're going to complain that she cheapens death and be a prime example of Martin struggling to finish his books, you better complain about Jon when he comes back (not to mention the others that have/may come back). I think there are much worse things/storylines/characters than LSH that are taking a toll on GRRM's writing.

and cheapen death? ****ing tons of people have been killed and have not/will not ever come back. in the show though, I guess you are correct/have a point only because LSH would be like the 3rd person brought back from the dead in like 5 episodes. that does annoy me a bit honestly.
 
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forgot to mention - that was an epic verbal smackdown from Grandma Tyrell on Cersei.

Ouch!

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HwjAcHfXvxY[/youtube]
 
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WarDamnVols said:
I'm literally the exact opposite. I ca't for the life of me understand why people don't want the character and consider said character stupid.

In regards to why I like LSH, it's probably best to say that I like "terrifying" as well as shock. Her introduction in the epilogue of SoS, was absolutely that. One of those moments where I could actually hear/feel my jaw hit the floor, and just sat there gaping trying my best to think/visually imagine what the hell just happened. the image of a grotesque, disfigured, gaping slit in neck, Cat with those frecking HATEFUL eyes...man, absolute ****ing chills. THAT is **** that makes me enjoy reading/film. Such an incredible feeling for someone whole loves horror, tension, and supernatural. You talk about Cat being the most annoying character (which isn't quite true, though I'd agree she's top 5 in the category), well Stoneheart isn't ****ing Cat. I'll gladly take this monstrosity of death and cold vengeance over reg Cat or some of those other annoying characters.

I think you make a good point about GRRM's inability to let concluded plot lines rest and how part of that is why he's struggling to finish this series. Of course, you have to remember LSH is only the 2nd (1stish to a degree; we see Beric do it before, but then again he actually dies for good before we see LSH) character to actually come back from the dead. So if you're going to complain that she cheapens death and be a prime example of Martin struggling to finish his books, you better complain about Jon when he comes back (not to mention the others that have/may come back). I think there are much worse things/storylines/characters than LSH that are taking a toll on GRRM's writing.

and cheapen death? ****ing tons of people have been killed and have not/will not ever come back. in the show though, I guess you are correct/have a point only because LSH would be like the 3rd person brought back from the dead in like 5 episodes. that does annoy me a bit honestly.
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Jon's death and resurrection gets him out of his vows.
Cat's resurrection has changed nothing. And yes, it's a quantity thing as well.
 
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tvolsfan said:
Jon's death and resurrection gets him out of his vows.
Cat's resurrection has changed nothing. And yes, it's a quantity thing as well.
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you're right. Besides Beric being dead, the Brotherhood completely transformed, a bunch of Freys being slaughtered, and most importantly, putting Brienne into a conflict of decisions that will heavily impact her, Jaime, and the relationship they've developed, Cats resurrection has changed absolutely nothing
 
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Do the White Walkers only pose a threat to Westeros? I read somewhere that if they take over Westeros/"win" the battle there, they could freeze the oceans and cross over to other continents/islands. Did someone just make that up or is it ever referenced in the books that they can do that?
 
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WarDamnVols said:
you're right. Besides Beric being dead, the Brotherhood completely transformed, a bunch of Freys being slaughtered, and most importantly, putting Brienne into a conflict of decisions that will heavily impact her, Jaime, and the relationship they've developed, Cats resurrection has changed absolutely nothing
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Very little of that has any impact on the end game, and they all could have been achieved in less ridiculous ways. Also, Beric sacrificing himself for her is nonsensical.
 
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tvolsfan said:
Very little of that has any impact on the end game, and they all could have been achieved in less ridiculous ways. Also, Beric sacrificing himself for her is nonsensical.
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You can't say it's nonsensical. The end hasn't even been released yet.
 
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tvolsfan said:
Very little of that has any impact on the end game, and they all could have been achieved in less ridiculous ways. Also, Beric sacrificing himself for her is nonsensical.
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wait, you have copies of Winds of Winter and Dream of Spring?! Holy hell that's awesome! You happen to be related to George or something?

So uh...would you mind slipping me those copies? I'll keep it between us, i promise.
 
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Aesius said:
Do the White Walkers only pose a threat to Westeros? I read somewhere that if they take over Westeros/"win" the battle there, they could freeze the oceans and cross over to other continents/islands. Did someone just make that up or is it ever referenced in the books that they can do that?
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I don't recall any mention of that in the books, but I flew through them the first time and just started my second time through. If the White Walkers do have that power, I would've expected them to use it at Hardhome when Jon and the Wildlings were fleeing by boat, but I suppose it could be something they can only do when everyone in Westeros is dead.
 
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tvolsfan said:
Of course it's nonsensical. Why would Beric give up his own life for her?
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most of this is just assumption, but I'd say it's because he was tired of living/being brought back over and over. He tells Arya how harder it gets for him after every resurrection. He also promised Arya to reunite her with her mother, and resurrecting her would obviously be a step in that direction. Could also add in that Harwin argued for her to be revived, and that Beric, who believes in justice, believes a victim of the RW deserves some, plus doing it out of honor with it being Ned's wife on top of it. Pretty much a combination of all of this
 
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WarDamnVols said:
most of this is just assumption, but I'd say it's because he was tired of living/being brought back over and over. He tells Arya how harder it gets for him after every resurrection. He also promised Arya to reunite her with her mother, and resurrecting her would obviously be a step in that direction. Could also add in that Harwin argued for her to be revived, and that Beric, who believes in justice, believes a victim of the RW deserves some, plus doing it out of honor with it being Ned's wife on top of it. Pretty much a combination of all of this
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Fair enough. I'm not sure I see eye to eye on this, but this is reasonable.

utvols88 said:
Maybe you'll find out. The end hasnt been released. You have NO IDEA what her character does in two more books. It's not hard to gather
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Again, fair enough, but this also makes me unsure as to why so many people act like it's a tragedy if she's cut.
 
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tvolsfan said:
Of course it's nonsensical. Why would Beric give up his own life for her?
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Well for one thing, maybe the biggest reason was because Beric was sick of it...Serious question, are you a reader, or do you just watch the show? His motivations are pretty clear in the books. It is not like LSH is a Tom Bombadil type character.
 
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I've read all the books. Two books after her introduction, I just don't find the character appealing or necessary. Especially not after GRRM gave his reasons for including her.
 
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