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InVOLuntary said:
I have to question your intelligence if you can justify literally millions of Muslims that want to kill anyone that doesn't belive their form of Islam even other Muslims. I know of zero Christians other than the occasional wacko nutjob that believes in anyway that killing innocent people in the name if God is acceptable. If you can dispute that then I'll be glad to engage a conversation with you. If not I'll simply let your comments speak for themselves.
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Don't expect a conversation of value. Ignorance of the truth knows no bounds. The argument they like to use usually goes back to the Crusades (like Obama did) or when they claim a Christian dominated country like the USA conducts a war. Since such a war may be against a nation(s) that are not Christian dominated, then that means Christians are evil. Illogic such as that. The last Christian dominated country of military significance in the world is fast disintegrating internally, so that argument no longer works either.

Since Christianity is under attack and being patriotic as a nation is under attack, I wonder who the detractors expect to protect them when evil knocks on their doors?
 
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InVOLuntary said:
I have to question your intelligence if you can justify literally millions of Muslims that want to kill anyone that doesn't belive their form of Islam even other Muslims. I know of zero Christians other than the occasional wacko nutjob that believes in anyway that killing innocent people in the name if God is acceptable. If you can dispute that then I'll be glad to engage a conversation with you. If not I'll simply let your comments speak for themselves.
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Protestants and Catholics killed each other for hundreds of years. Fanatiscism rears its ugly head at different times in different cultures. Radical Muslims want to kill the infidels mainly because of us being all up in their business since the birth of modern day Israel and it is not going to change until we leave, maybe not even then.
 
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bignewt said:
Protestants and Catholics killed each other for hundreds of years. Fanatiscism rears its ugly head at different times in different cultures. Radical Muslims want to kill the infidels mainly because of us being all up in their business since the birth of modern day Israel and it is not going to change until we leave, maybe not even then.
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It's totally redicuolus to compare modern day Christianity to Modern day Islam. It's been hundreds of years since any of that stuff by Christians happened. To try and justify what many Muslims stand for and do today by citing the crusades is comical.

As to us mucking in their business, maybe they shouldn't have attacked us. Prior to 9/11 our melding in their business was very limited. The first Gulf war was to eject Sadam from Kuwait as we did and promptly left. They started attacking us overseas and we did small measured responses until they attacked us on our homeland.

There is zero justification for what is taking place on a huge scale within the Muslim religion. To equate Christianity and Islam is at best laughable and at worst mentally retarded.
 
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Wow, the depths people go to apply moral equivolance is amazing. We're aware people of all faiths are capable of mass murder, but to not admit there's a current faith that currently has millions of people who want to kill or subjugate all infidels is dishonest or flat out nuts. Recognizing this does not make you a "hater". It's ok.
 
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I also want to say that although I've not been a Trump fan, what those protester/rioters did and were allowed to do to those innocent women,men, and elderly people is despicable.
 
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Skullbone said:
Wow, the depths people go to apply moral equivolance is amazing. We're aware people of all faiths are capable of mass murder, but to not admit there's a current faith that currently has millions of people who want to kill or subjugate all infidels is dishonest or flat out nuts. Recognizing this does not make you a "hater". It's ok.
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For me, I have no issues announcing my disgust for any form of terrorism or the terrorists responsible.
I jumped in because the overtone became 'being Muslim equaled being violent'. That is no different than "all black people are" or "all Christians are".
And that if you just read the words of Jesus, we can claim an absence of violence in the Bible. Not exactly a fair comparison.
I also don't believe modern Christians are as violent. Too many Muslims are indoctrinated into that lifestyle without proper education otherwise. I do believe when we were educated the same, we acted the same.
They are people, same as us. Some are ignorant, same as us. Some are violent, same as us. But I do agree their current numbers of religious violence are higher than ours. Anything beyond,I feel is just prejudice. I hate and would shoot any terrorist, I have zero hate for anyone for just being Muslim.
 
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chargervol said:
For me, I have no issues announcing my disgust for any form of terrorism or the terrorists responsible.
I jumped in because the overtone became 'being Muslim equaled being violent'. That is no different than "all black people are" or "all Christians are".
And that if you just read the words of Jesus, we can claim an absence of violence in the Bible. Not exactly a fair comparison.
I also don't believe modern Christians are as violent. Too many Muslims are indoctrinated into that lifestyle without proper education otherwise. I do believe when we were educated the same, we acted the same.
They are people, same as us. Some are ignorant, same as us. Some are violent, same as us. But I do agree their current numbers of religious violence are higher than ours. Anything beyond,I feel is just prejudice. I hate and would shoot any terrorist, I have zero hate for anyone for just being Muslim.
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I don't think anyone in this thread has condemned all Muslims as hate filled terrorist. But to say a huge percentage of Muslims are either terrorist, condone terrorism, or are at least ambivalent to it is not a false statement. We're talking milions of people that either want to kill any and all Americans or cheer when they do or at least couldn't care less.

We will never as a country be able to change them, they'll have to change from within their own faith. Frankly I don't see that happening anytime soon.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
I don't think anyone in this thread has condemned all Muslims as hate filled terrorist. But to say a huge percentage of Muslims are either terrorist, condone terrorism, or are at least ambivalent to it is not a false statement. We're talking milions of people that either want to kill any and all Americans or cheer when they do or at least couldn't care less.

We will never as a country be able to change them, they'll have to chang from within their own faith. Frankly I don't see that happening anytime soon.
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IMO the economic and political instability of the Middle East is a bigger issue than the Islamic faith itself. And that a lot of the higher ups in the terrorist organizations just use it to manipulate and control a lot of young people who are angry at what they see is a bleak situation.

Not to absolve them of their own choices, I just feel like if the region was more stable and there was more opportunities then the radical clerics preaching hate would have a hell of lot less influence like than they do now.
 
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Go Fight Win said:
@catbone

I am thinking about getting total war warhammer. Have you enjoyed it thus far?
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If you like any of the previous total war titles, you'll like this one. Warhammer makes it even better (if you're into LotR type fantasy)

Graphics and animations are very good. If you like warhammer, they certainly did a good job creating the game in its universe. Slightly easier and more simple to manage the campaign map now. Its a bit more difficult to play the actual battles now that we have magic spells to manage.

What kind of PC build do you have? It takes an extremely powerful machine to run on ultra, and it's tough to run on medium/high at times on my mid range rig.
 
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chargervol said:
How about I've read both but let's also include the much more fire and brimstone OT. And you don't tell which discussion I should join because you don't like descending views.
That suits the conversations at home with the "submissive" wife more than open internet discussions.
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The original comments if you can stay focus on topic were about Christianity and Jesus. I am sorry that you are having trouble processing the intent and comprehending of what was being directed from my statement. I agree about you have a descending view. It should be flushed down the toliet. Sorry but look up the word dissenting and it's meaning if that is what you meant to say.

Sorry but could not help but point that out.

If you loved your wife like Christ loved the church, she would submit to you but the original Greek is a military term of rank but not total submission to the whims of a man in dominion over the woman. You are both to submit to Christ and his peaceful way of love to all including each other. Then you will follow Christ as a servant to others including your wife and your wife to you as you both submit to Christ. Again, you have not read and studied to get a deeper meaning by looking at the original writings and what they mean. It is not about a wife being a doormat to a man to do what he wants with no identity. But, that doesn't fit your agenda to be nasty to anything Christian. I never said you could not be in a discussion but it might make more sense for you to actually read and study something more than just surface perusal before you step back into the discussion. But, you have every right to keep posting about decending opinions. That is very rich.
 
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BJHSVol said:
IMO the economic and political instability of the Middle East is a bigger issue than the Islamic faith itself. And that a lot of the higher ups in the terrorist organizations just use it to manipulate and control a lot of young people who are angry at what they see is a bleak situation.

Not to absolve them of their own choices, I just feel like if the region was more stable and there was more opportunities then the radical clerics preaching hate would have a hell of lot less influence like than they do now.
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I can agree with that. Prime industry is oil and not much of the proceeds trickle down to the common man.
 
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chargervol said:
For me, I have no issues announcing my disgust for any form of terrorism or the terrorists responsible.
I jumped in because the overtone became 'being Muslim equaled being violent'. That is no different than "all black people are" or "all Christians are".
And that if you just read the words of Jesus, we can claim an absence of violence in the Bible. Not exactly a fair comparison.
I also don't believe modern Christians are as violent. Too many Muslims are indoctrinated into that lifestyle without proper education otherwise. I do believe when we were educated the same, we acted the same.
They are people, same as us. Some are ignorant, same as us. Some are violent, same as us. But I do agree their current numbers of religious violence are higher than ours. Anything beyond,I feel is just prejudice. I hate and would shoot any terrorist, I have zero hate for anyone for just being Muslim.
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By the way, I agree with this. Actually, the zero hate should be for everyone Muslim and otherwise. That would be the way of Christ the way it was intended.
 
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JacketVol said:
The original comments if you can stay focus on topic were about Christianity and Jesus. I am sorry that you are having trouble processing the intent and comprehending of what was being directed from my statement. I agree about you have a descending view. It should be flushed down the toliet. Sorry but look up the word dissenting and it's meaning if that is what you meant to say.


Sorry but could not help but point that out.

If you loved your wife like Christ loved the church, she would submit to you but the original Greek is a military term of rank but not total submission to the whims of a man in dominion over the woman. You are both to submit to Christ and his peaceful way of love to all including each other. Then you will follow Christ as a servant to others including your wife and your wife to you as you both submit to Christ. Again, you have not read and studied to get a deeper meaning by looking at the original writings and what they mean. It is not about a wife being a doormat to a man to do what he wants with no identity. But, that doesn't fit your agenda to be nasty to anything Christian. I never said you could not be in a discussion but it might make more sense for you to actually read and study something more than just surface perusal before you step back into the discussion. But, you have every right to keep posting about decending opinions. That is very rich.
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On mobile using text to speech. Didn't realize it used descending but glad it did. Your focus on a typo, "Nasty to anything Christian" and "should be submissive" comments actually saves me some time.
Btw, you responded to my original comment, not the other way around. Meaning you changed the context or failed to understand, not I.
I have never had the intent of being nasty to anything Christian. People using Christianity to pass judgement on others, that is a different story.

But I will take my Christian hating, non understanding self out of the discussion. After all, that is the Judgment you have passed, so it must be so.
 
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I was just having fun with the comment on the word. You do need to definitely lightened up. The original thing is you brought in OT ect when we were talking about Christianity. That is not OT so your point originally was not valid.
 
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chargervol said:
How about I've read both but let's also include the much more fire and brimstone OT. And you don't tell which discussion I should join because you don't like descending views.
That suits the conversations at home with the "submissive" wife more than open internet discussions.
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I was pointing out if you go to what others were saying when this started and as you can see above, you brought the OT into it and I was showing you the error in bringing that in when we were originally talking about Jesus and HIM teaching non violence. If you can't get that then we will just keep it to football. Go Vols
 
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InVOLuntary said:
It's totally redicuolus to compare modern day Christianity to Modern day Islam. It's been hundreds of years since any of that stuff by Christians happened. To try and justify what many Muslims stand for and do today by citing the crusades is comical.

As to us mucking in their business, maybe they shouldn't have attacked us. Prior to 9/11 our melding in their business was very limited. The first Gulf war was to eject Sadam from Kuwait as we did and promptly left. They started attacking us overseas and we did small measured responses until they attacked us on our homeland.

There is zero justification for what is taking place on a huge scale within the Muslim religion. To equate Christianity and Islam is at best laughable and at worst mentally retarded.
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Ok buddy...didnt mention the crusades...open a book once in a while.
 
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bignewt said:
Ok buddy...didnt mention the crusades...open a book once in a while.
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I wasn't specifically talking about you when it came to the Crusades. Others have brought it up. I've read quite a bit but I also have the common sense to come to my own conclusions by what's going on around the world today. There is nothing you can produce that can rationalize what is going on today in the Muslim religion. It's an insult to Christians to be compared to that. Like I've said, all Muslims are not bad people but there are millions that are and your attempt to rationalize or justify it stands on it's own IMO.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
I have to question your intelligence if you can justify literally millions of Muslims that want to kill anyone that doesn't belive their form of Islam even other Muslims. I know of zero Christians other than the occasional wacko nutjob that believes in anyway that killing innocent people in the name if God is acceptable. If you can dispute that then I'll be glad to engage a conversation with you. If not I'll simply let your comments speak for themselves.
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Well, thanks for setting the conditions of the conversation. Also, your rebuttal to my comment was completely unrelated. At no point was I "justify(ing) literally millions of Muslims that want to kill anyone that doesn't belive their form of Islam even other Muslims." That's type of argument is called a straw man and it's poor form in any discussion. I'm saying that there are similarities between Christianity and Islam.

Let's start with the basics:

Christianity and Islam are both religions (the first and second largest religions by recent count)
Both religions are monotheistic religions that believe in God
Both establish Abraham as the father of humanity
Both believe in heaven
Both believe in hell (though, I'd openly dispute the number of Christian references to Hell and I feel more like the version of Hell we present was originated in Pilgrim's Progress.)
Both believe in Judgement Day
Both believe in the immaculate conception of Jesus
Both believe in the Second Coming of Jesus

I get that a good part of the Muslim world does some truly backwards s#&! today but in the grand scheme of things it wasn't so long ago that a good part of the Christian world was doing the same. I do not attribute the follies of man to the principles they claim to follow. The hypocrisy, greed, and fear of man are far too powerful and will corrupt anything man touches. Men have corrupted both the teachings of Christianity and Islam and used them both to obtain whatever ends they desire.

To deny that fact, clearly demonstrated by a thousand or more years of recorded history, is willful ignorance.
 
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delfonic said:
Well, thanks for setting the conditions of the conversation. Also, your rebuttal to my comment was completely unrelated. At no point was I "justify(ing) literally millions of Muslims that want to kill anyone that doesn't belive their form of Islam even other Muslims." That's type of argument is called a straw man and it's poor form in any discussion. I'm saying that there are similarities between Christianity and Islam.

Let's start with the basics:

Christianity and Islam are both religions (the first and second largest religions by recent count)
Both religions are monotheistic religions that believe in God
Both establish Abraham as the father of humanity
Both believe in heaven
Both believe in hell (though, I'd openly dispute the number of Christian references to Hell and I feel more like the version of Hell we present was originated in Pilgrim's Progress.)
Both believe in Judgement Day
Both believe in the immaculate conception of Jesus
Both believe in the Second Coming of Jesus

I get that a good part of the Muslim world does some truly backwards s#&! today but in the grand scheme of things it wasn't so long ago that a good part of the Christian world was doing the same. I do not attribute the follies of man to the principles they claim to follow. The hypocrisy, greed, and fear of man are far too powerful and will corrupt anything man touches. Men have corrupted both the teachings of Christianity and Islam and used them both to obtain whatever ends they desire.

To deny that fact, clearly demonstrated by a thousand or more years of recorded history, is willful ignorance.
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That has to be the funniest thing I've ever read on this site and that's saying a lot. Thanks for pointing out those similarities. Man, I didn't realize that both believed all those things. You truly are quite the expert on religion. Yea, putting it like that I could hardly tell the difference in the two.

Oh yea and not so long ago is several hundred years. Talk about weak arguments. Like I said when you got something relative to the conversation come on back. Until. I'll just let your post stand on it's own. Just like the one above.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
That has to be the funniest thing I've ever read on this site and that's saying a lot. Thanks for pointing out those similarities. Man, I didn't realize that both believed all those things. You truly are quite the expert on religion. Yea, putting it like that I could hardly tell the difference in the two.

Oh yea and not so long ago is several hundred years. Talk about weak arguments. Like I said when you got something relative to the conversation come on back. Until. I'll just let your post stand on it's own. Just like the one above.
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As I said would happen. The 30,000 foot view with blinders on.

In the real world, if Christian sects did what some of the Islamic sects do, they would bring shame to Jesus Christ, taken to the woodshed, and dismantled by fellow Christians. There would be worldwide outrage and accusations flying everywhere. Yet, Islamic sects can spew their hate and violence around the world making unprovoked attacks with lies, fraud, and corruption at the forefront for centuries while the masses of their believers sit silent for fear of their own torture and deaths. They treat women and children as property, who do not have equal rights with men. They can make unprovoked attacks toward Israel, which then faces condemnation for responding in kind to protect their own citizens. Yet, the politicians persist in calling it a religion of "peace" out of fear that they would be next on their list or due to the lining of their pockets; i.e. - the Clinton Crime Family. Pathetic. As we know it will be dealt with in time by the Messiah.

Islam is lower than cow dung. It is filthy and a total distortion of the Torah (Tawrat in Islam). Muhammad taught that his Quran replaced it for the most part, with only minor references to the Tawrat. Just made it up as he went and they fell for it like good little sheep led to the slaughter.
 
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