2016 Election Thread Part Deux

[Grand Vol]

Which is the entire reason why we shouldn't allow terrorist watch lists to determine ones ability to invoke their 2nd amendment rights

To which I partially agree. However, I don't think Trump fully comprehends who gets put on that list and why. I don't think anyone outside of the government does for that matter.

The root problem is the fact nobody seems to know the criteria for being placed on said list. But all they know is "terrorist watch list" = "probably a bad person." If the rationale for putting said individuals on the list was made known, one could probably understand why or even fight against it.

This is why I've never taken issue with what Trump had to say about the 2A and the watch list. He very likely is like the vast majority of Americans and just doesn't know who or what or why people get tossed onto that watch list.

 

[InVOLuntary]

To which I partially agree. However, I don't think Trump fully comprehends who gets put on that list and why. I don't think anyone outside of the government does for that matter.

The root problem is the fact nobody seems to know the criteria for being placed on said list. But all they know is "terrorist watch list" = "probably a bad person." If the rationale for putting said individuals on the list was made known, one could probably understand why or even fight against it.

This is why I've never taken issue with what Trump had to say about the 2A and the watch list. He very likely is like the vast majority of Americans and just doesn't know who or what or why people get tossed onto that watch list.

Gv, I left a couple of questions for you in the Armory thread in the pub. :hi:

 

[Vol8188]

I want you to prove the majority of those on the terrorism watch list are white anti-government males.

This is for hog and obsessed since they believe Obama is the source of terrorist watch lists focusing on white conservatives. from the 1999 FBI Terrorism in the United States report: "by the mid 1980s this emerging brand of extremism-often espousing racial supremacy, but primarily focused on opposition of the federal government- would come to pose the most menacing domestic terrorist threat in the United States.

Here's a list of articles from the last decade talking about how many on these terrorists lists are white male conservatives:

Napolitano stands by controversial report - Washington Times

Report: White Americans Are Biggest Threat For Terrorism In U.S.


This is an interesting chart, that actually shows left wing terrorism being more frequent (Animal Liberation Front being the most frequent offender).

 

[Grand Vol]

This is for hog and obsessed since they believe Obama is the source of terrorist watch lists focusing on white conservatives. from the 1999 FBI Terrorism in the United States report: "by the mid 1980s this emerging brand of extremism-often espousing racial supremacy, but primarily focused on opposition of the federal government- would come to pose the most menacing domestic terrorist threat in the United States.

Here's a list of articles from the last decade talking about how many on these terrorists lists are white male conservatives:

Napolitano stands by controversial report - Washington Times

Report: White Americans Are Biggest Threat For Terrorism In U.S.


This is an interesting chart, that actually shows left wing terrorism being more frequent (Animal Liberation Front being the most frequent offender).

You keep using the same data that I've debunked before. I don't think you want to go down this road again.

 

[Vol8188]

Consider our own revolution - our revolutionaries attacked the ruling government's military to defeat them.

They didn't go to England and terrorize civilians to get policy changed.

Using your definition any act of aggression against a ruling government qualifies as terrorism - even if it comes from another government.

Terrorism is generally associated with direct attacks against civilian populations; not governments.

Insurgency is not the same as terrorism. Terrorism is an approach.

Iraqi's defending their country against us isn't an example of terrorism per se

When the government is in charge of defining terrorism (like they are here), then yes. Any act of aggression will be labeled as terrorism. Which is why we shouldn't allow the government to take away the second amendment rights of "terrorist".

 

[Vol8188]

You keep using the same data that I've debunked before. I don't think you want to go down this road again.

I don't recall you and I having this conversation.but the point still remains that if you take gun rights of terrorist, a whole lot of white conservatives will be effected.

 

[Vol8188]

To which I partially agree. However, I don't think Trump fully comprehends who gets put on that list and why. I don't think anyone outside of the government does for that matter.

The root problem is the fact nobody seems to know the criteria for being placed on said list. But all they know is "terrorist watch list" = "probably a bad person." If the rationale for putting said individuals on the list was made known, one could probably understand why or even fight against it.

This is why I've never taken issue with what Trump had to say about the 2A and the watch list. He very likely is like the vast majority of Americans and just doesn't know who or what or why people get tossed onto that watch list.

I prefer my presidential candidates due some research before they immediately jump to the notion that taking away the second amendment is the best option

 

[volinbham]

When the government is in charge of defining terrorism (like they are here), then yes. Any act of aggression will be labeled as terrorism. Which is why we shouldn't allow the government to take away the second amendment rights of "terrorist".

Different issue entirely. Doesn't mean you have to change the meaning of the word.

 

[Grand Vol]

I don't recall you and I having this conversation.but the point still remains that if you take gun rights of terrorist, a whole lot of white conservatives will be effected.

I'm referring to the BS article about how the non-radical Islamic "terrorists" outnumber the attacks carried out in the name of Islam.

 

[volinbham]

This is for hog and obsessed since they believe Obama is the source of terrorist watch lists focusing on white conservatives. from the 1999 FBI Terrorism in the United States report: "by the mid 1980s this emerging brand of extremism-often espousing racial supremacy, but primarily focused on opposition of the federal government- would come to pose the most menacing domestic terrorist threat in the United States.

Here's a list of articles from the last decade talking about how many on these terrorists lists are white male conservatives:

Napolitano stands by controversial report - Washington Times

Report: White Americans Are Biggest Threat For Terrorism In U.S.


This is an interesting chart, that actually shows left wing terrorism being more frequent (Animal Liberation Front being the most frequent offender).

You are conflating issues. This information doesn't mean all these people are on the terror watch list that is often referred to in the gun debate. That list is a much more specific listing of individual names and not groups or group affiliation. The list is problematic but the proposals regarding banning people on the terror watch list from buying/owning guns is not the same as what you are posting.

 

[Vol8188]

Different issue entirely. Doesn't mean you have to change the meaning of the word.

You're not changing the definition of terrorism

 

[Vol8188]

I'm referring to the BS article about how the non-radical Islamic "terrorists" outnumber the attacks carried out in the name of Islam.

Which of the articles I posted are you referring to? I'm pretty sure these only mentioned watch lists

 

[Sin City Vol]

Terrorism: 1.the use of violence and intimidation in the pursuit of political aims.

domestic terrorism - terrorism practiced in your own country against your own people; "the 1995 bombing of a federal building in Oklahoma City was an instance of domestic terrorism"
act of terrorism, terrorism, terrorist act - the calculated use of violence (or the threat of violence) against civilians in order to attain goals that are political or religious or ideological in nature; this is done through intimidation or coercion or instilling fear

 

[hog88]

I disagree

I'm sure you're not shocked that I'm not surprised.

 

[joevol33]

I'm referring to the BS article about how the non-radical Islamic "terrorists" outnumber the attacks carried out in the name of Islam.

Lawrenceville, GA. Wednesday a muslim woman attacked a family in their own yard, with their own American flag. She was charged with a misdemeanor. Guaranteed if the white people had attacked her and her isis flag, Obama would've done give a press conference about hate crimes. Or if they had shot her in self dense, it'd be all over the news. That happened two days ago, just down the road from me, and today is the first I see it on the news.

 

[volinbham]

You're not changing the definition of terrorism

You are the one misusing it. Overthrowing the government by directly attacking it (it's enforcers) is not terrorism.

If it were then virtually every violent conflict would be considered terrorism and the word has no real meaning.

With your definition our entire involvement in the European Theater during WWII was terrorism on our part since we (and our allies) overthrew the governments of Italy and Germany.

 

[hog88]

Prove it. Who predominantly made up the terrorist watch list 10 years ago. Come on, just once back up what you say.

This is for hog and obsessed since they believe Obama is the source of terrorist watch lists focusing on white conservatives. from the 1999 FBI Terrorism in the United States report: "by the mid 1980s this emerging brand of extremism-often espousing racial supremacy, but primarily focused on opposition of the federal government- would come to pose the most menacing domestic terrorist threat in the United States.

Here's a list of articles from the last decade talking about how many on these terrorists lists are white male conservatives:

Napolitano stands by controversial report - Washington Times

Report: White Americans Are Biggest Threat For Terrorism In U.S.


This is an interesting chart, that actually shows left wing terrorism being more frequent (Animal Liberation Front being the most frequent offender).

Can't ****ing read can you?

 

[Sin City Vol]

Lawrenceville, GA. Wednesday a muslim woman attacked a family in their own yard, with their own American flag. She was charged with a misdemeanor. Guaranteed if the white people had attacked her and her isis flag, Obama would've done give a press conference about hate crimes. Or if they had shot her in self dense, it'd be all over the news. That happened two days ago, just down the road from me, and today is the first I see it on the news.

This story was awful, this lady emerged from the woods and attacked them. The mother fought with her and then the 17 year old daughter jumped in while the son grabbed a gun. They said the woman never spoke a word to them and not even when they held her down while waiting for police. The only thing they know about her is she's from Africa....that's just freaky.

 

[Vol8188]

You are the one misusing it. Overthrowing the government by directly attacking it (it's enforcers) is not terrorism.

If it were then virtually every violent conflict would be considered terrorism and the word has no real meaning.

With your definition our entire involvement in the European Theater during WWII was terrorism on our part since we (and our allies) overthrew the governments of Italy and Germany.

We've sponsored terrorism for years.

 

[Vol8188]

Can't ****ing read can you?

1999. Can you not count past ten?

 

[hog88]

1999. Can you not count past ten?

Nothing you posted indicates who made up the terror watch list in 1999.

 

[Vol8188]

Nothing you posted indicates who made up the terror watch list in 1999.

Direct quote from the fbi

 

[hog88]

Direct quote from the fbi

Talking about this?

by the mid 1980s this emerging brand of extremism-often espousing racial supremacy, but primarily focused on opposition of the federal government- would come to pose the most menacing domestic terrorist threat in the United States.

If so please point out any of these key words white, men, right wing extremist or ****ing watch-list?

 

[Obsessed]

Judge orders Obama administration to release new Clinton emails | TheHill


A federal judge has ordered the Obama administration to release new emails connected to Hillary Clinton before Democratic National Convention in July. In an order late on Wednesday, Judge Ketanji Brown Jackson told the U.S. Agency for International Development (USAID) to hand over to the Republican National Committee (RNC) whatever records it could as part of an RNC’s open-records lawsuit on July 11.




The RNC sued the aid agency in March, seeking two sets of communications: those between USAID officials and former aides at the State Department, as well as those between USAID and private domain names associated with Clinton, former President Bill Clinton and others including the Clinton Foundation. The effort appeared to be related to allegations that the former secretary of State’s family foundation had undue influence on USAID.

 

[Vol8188]

Talking about this?



If so please point out any of these key words white, men, right wing extremist or ****ing watch-list?

Yes. The full context of the passage is about the threat from right wing conservative groups. P