This is how you know Dobbs is ready for the season

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k-town_king said:
That is a huge underestimation. We dropped 5 in the Ark game alone. Where did you get your stats from? We dropped passes in every single game.
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Didnt we go to the Florida game together a few years ago when Patterson dropped a easy TD catch? We sat behind the goal post? If so it's comical these people call you a racist.
 
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AM64 said:
Sure would have been nice if they had put Dormady in in place of Dobbs a few times last year to see how he worked with the first team. It's hard to evaluate one effect when you change everything. For example, with Hurd and Kamara out, the defense probably keys more on the pass, and the offensive line may be fresh but they aren't starters for a reason, so you naturally expect a drop off in performance. If you don't evaluate correctly, then you get surprised when a Peterman doesn't turn out to be even the second best if you have to replace an injured QB.
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Dormady would make us one dimensionalast like Worley did. The play fakes would be useless
 
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Our passing game has not been solid or even good under CBJ's tenure. We have seen thread after thread discussion after discussion about why that is. We've had different QBs and different receivers yet our passing game is not what it should be. It's just too simplistic to lay the issue all on QB inaccuracy or WR separation which seems to be the top two I've seen over time. I heard a very good coach once lay out the passing game along the following lines.

When you put the ball in the air as an offense only a few good things can happen. The first is it gets caught. Another is a defensive penalty can be called but that's about it.

But there are more bad things can happen when the ball goes up. It gets dropped. It gets overthrown. It gets underthrown. It gets tipped. It gets intercepted. The QB gets sacked. An offensive penalty is called.

Whatever our strengths and weaknesses are in the passing game the staff needs to scheme to the former and avoid the latter because it is inherent in the game there's much more risk of failure when you pass. I've got to think CBJ and Debord know and understand that and expect the situation to be improved for team 120.
 
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Berry4Heisman14 said:
If his accuracy doesn't improve this season he won't get drafted early. Everyone on this board wants Dobbs to be a first round draft pick hell I want him to go #1 overall it's not like everyone wants him to fail.
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No sh#t. You guys seem to believe I'm saying something I never have. I've never for once said Dobbs was already a first rounder.

All I've ever said is that Dobbs has the TALENT. And I believe he lives up to his potential and has a monster senior season.

So saying he needs to improve his accuracy isn't something I disagree with. I'm just telling yall he can do it cause he's that talented.
 
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LittleDTO said:
This is complete and total BULL. You have said several times that Dobbs is a top 10 pick.
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IMO.

I would take him top 10 right now. However, I know enough about how NFL teams operate that Dobbs would need a monster senior year to go top 10. I've never said he's already a top 10 pick given his current body of work.

I simply believe he'll have that huge senior year that propels him to being a first round pick because that's how talented he is.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
No sh#t. You guys seem to believe I'm saying something I never have. I've never for once said Dobbs was already a first rounder.

All I've ever said is that Dobbs has the TALENT. And I believe he lives up to his potential and has a monster senior season.

So saying he needs to improve his accuracy isn't something I disagree with. I'm just telling yall he can do it cause he's that talented.
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I think he can as well and I hope that he does.
 
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sjt18 said:
Dude. You are so stupid and full of yourself it hurts.

I know plenty about football and have watched that replay dozens of times. I've watched most of the games Dobbs has played in multiple times.

He's a great kid. He's a terrific running threat. He's a great leader. He has a reasonably strong arm. He even has accuracy in drills and often when pressure makes him "forget" about everything and just play. But he is off by a little to a lot on most throws. Only a fool cannot see that if they've watched him play.

I hope he improves greatly and gets drafted. Couldn't happen to a better guy. But you are absolutely delusional for ignoring his inaccuracy.

Next thing you'll be telling us that the pass to Pearson who had fallen down to complete a critical 3rd down was intentional..... when the truth is that if Pearson hadn't slipped.... the pass would have been incomplete.
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The difference between me and yall is I don't focus on his few misses. I focus on the entire body of work.

In terms of TALENT, we have the most talented QB in the country. He'll win the SEC and national title next season. He'll be a first round pick.

Appreciate what you got rather than complaining.
 
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AM64 said:
Sure would have been nice if they had put Dormady in in place of Dobbs a few times last year to see how he worked with the first team. It's hard to evaluate one effect when you change everything. For example, with Hurd and Kamara out, the defense probably keys more on the pass, and the offensive line may be fresh but they aren't starters for a reason, so you naturally expect a drop off in performance. If you don't evaluate correctly, then you get surprised when a Peterman doesn't turn out to be even the second best if you have to replace an injured QB.
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I don't KNOW this, but I have a running theory that the only way Dormady was going to be able to run the full offense was injury to Dobbs. Butch needed to delicately balance showing his full hand with recruits getting a full view of what the backups had to offer. It also would have undermined Dobbs if Dormady had been given the reins and piled up any kind of numbers. Of course he could've fallen flat on his face and scared off future blockers and/or backfield mates. :dunno: I believe whoever gets garbage time this season, will get to drive the car a little bit more in preparation for the future.
 
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sjt18 said:
UT throws a higher % of short passes than most. I've seen the stat but it has been awhile.

Some times it is a wrong pattern. But I was watching a game replay just the other night when Dobbs turned Kamara around on a simple swing pass. Wide open. D completely fooled. Blocks set up down field. No big pressure on Dobbs. Just threw the ball behind Kamara and made him do a 360 to catch it. A lesser athlete can't do it. Kamara gained 25 yards or so.

There were times when North was visibly upset with Dobbs for throwing the ball in ways that left him vulnerable.

Again, this is not to take anything away from all of the great things you can accurately say about Dobbs. But he DOES have accuracy issues in live play.
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Maybe because I watch more football than just the University of Tennessee, but every QB makes inaccurate throws every now and then.

Watch more games than just Tennessee. You'll see stuff like that every Saturday and Sunday.
 
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Berry4Heisman14 said:
Didnt we go to the Florida game together a few years ago when Patterson dropped a easy TD catch? We sat behind the goal post? If so it's comical these people call you a racist.
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Was it segregated? He allowed you to sit with him? Hard to get your point.
 
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butchna said:
I don't KNOW this, but I have a running theory that the only way Dormady was going to be able to run the full offense was injury to Dobbs. Butch needed to delicately balance showing his full hand with recruits getting a full view of what the backups had to offer. It also would have undermined Dobbs if Dormady had been given the reins and piled up any kind of numbers. Of course he could've fallen flat on his face and scared off future blockers and/or backfield mates. :dunno: I believe whoever gets garbage time this season, will get to drive the car a little bit more in preparation for the future.
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LOL @ this.

Guarantano is the guy we'll be selling to future recruits not Dormady.

Guarantano is the future of this program.
 
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butchna said:
All pro-style passers are the same and all dual threat passers run great and are inconsistent passers. :idea:
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How many times have you seen Dormady keep the ball in those option runs? He's had enough in game time to where you can assume he'd have kept one if he could run well
 
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Berry4Heisman14 said:
He took me into his house introduced me to his family fed me and drove us to the game. Nice guy if that is him I don't remember his username it's been a while
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He forgive you for 200 years of oppression and Tony Dungy?
 
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k-town_king said:
What is high accuracy? 63%, 65%, 68%?

The top two NFL picks this year completed 64.5% in the PAC-12 and 62.5 in freakin FBS.

Take away the 4-5, at least, throw aways per game plus the several drops per game and Dobbs is easily at their numbers.

The All time NFL completion percentage record for career is 66% from the king of short throws Chad Pennington. Peyton is 65% and Brady 63%.
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Is Dobbs in the NFL? Look at the SEC QB stats and you'll see what I mean
 
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Berry4Heisman14 said:
How many times have you seen Dormady keep the ball in those option runs? He's had enough in game time to where you can assume he'd have kept one if he could run well
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I haven't seen him much at all. Would have been tragic if we had consigned Dobbs capabilities only to what he displayed in HIS abbreviated true freshman year. Dormady got way less of a display (in garbage time) so I quibble with your "enough in game time" throwaway statement. Also quibble with lumping him as a Worley based on said limited time. His primary duties in garbage time was to hand off. Doesn't matter if he's remotely like Dobbs in that department...Butch recruits these type QBs because HIS offense is more flexible than you guys pretend to know. If someone ends up better than Dormady? Play em. If he's the best option? It's really not that difficult people...quit pretending you know more than the coach. :hi:
 
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butchna said:
I haven't seen him much at all. Would have been tragic if we had consigned Dobbs capabilities only to what he displayed in HIS abbreviated true freshman year. Dormady got way less of a display (in garbage time) so I quibble with your "enough in game time" throwaway statement. Also quibble with lumping him as a Worley based on said limited time. His primary duties in garbage time was to hand off. Doesn't matter if he's remotely like Dobbs in that department...Butch recruits these type QBs because HIS offense is more flexible than you guys pretend to know. If someone ends up better than Dormady? Play em. If he's the best option? It's really not that difficult people...quit pretending you know more than the coach. :hi:
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Watch the replay of Tennessee vs North Texas. ;-)
 
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Remy said:
Our passing game has not been solid or even good under CBJ's tenure. We have seen thread after thread discussion after discussion about why that is. We've had different QBs and different receivers yet our passing game is not what it should be. It's just too simplistic to lay the issue all on QB inaccuracy or WR separation which seems to be the top two I've seen over time. I heard a very good coach once lay out the passing game along the following lines.

When you put the ball in the air as an offense only a few good things can happen. The first is it gets caught. Another is a defensive penalty can be called but that's about it.

But there are more bad things can happen when the ball goes up. It gets dropped. It gets overthrown. It gets underthrown. It gets tipped. It gets intercepted. The QB gets sacked. An offensive penalty is called.

Whatever our strengths and weaknesses are in the passing game the staff needs to scheme to the former and avoid the latter because it is inherent in the game there's much more risk of failure when you pass. I've got to think CBJ and Debord know and understand that and expect the situation to be improved for team 120.
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Worley played behind a horrible OL that finally ended his career. At the point when he went down for the last time, he was completing 62% which would have been at least 3rd in the SEC if he had been able to keep it up against the back/weaker half of UT's schedule. This includes the fact that Worley had to throw more balls away due to his relative lack of mobility. He was accurate with most of his throws and accurate "within the strike zone". In my estimation, the WR corps last year and this was at least as good as '14 or '13 and probably better. The OL is better by large margins.

My point is that starting out there were a lot more missing pieces than there are now or were last fall. Dobbs' inaccuracy showed up much more clearly for that reason.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Maybe because I watch more football than just the University of Tennessee, but every QB makes inaccurate throws every now and then.
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Once again, stop acting stupid by making assumptions on things you know absolutely nothing about. Got news for you. A LOT of smart, informed, knowledgeable people disagree with you. A LOT. Pretty much the rest of the college football universe understands that as great as Dobbs is in so many ways... he isn't consistently accurate.

Dobbs understands that. Jones does. The analysts do. Even the players do.

You stand virtually alone in not understanding it.


Watch more games than just Tennessee. You'll see stuff like that every Saturday and Sunday.
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I've been watching more games than just UT for decades. Every QB has bad throws. But relative to other top shelf QB's.... Dobbs simply has more and that includes passes completed that require the WR to make difficult catches unnecessarily.


Stop questioning people's "football knowledge" because they disagree with you and your silly, unfounded arguments. Prove your points with facts. Contrary to what you apparently think, you aren't the only person here with "football knowledge".

I'm a fan of Dobbs. A big fan. Who shouldn't be a fan of a guy like him? But frankly your cult like behavior that puts him on such a high pedestal is pretty creepy.
 
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Berry4Heisman14 said:
Jarrett has star written all over him. Incredible athlete with a great arm
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Agree but I think S Jones might have a say before it is over.

I'm sure Dormady is a great guy. He may take some steps forward and become the "future". But nothing I've seen so far makes me a believer.

The most impressive things I've seen him do are roll out throws. He looks good with those.
 
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Berry4Heisman14 said:
He took me into his house introduced me to his family fed me and drove us to the game. Nice guy if that is him I don't remember his username it's been a while
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Sounds like a nice guy but not me. But anyone who has worked for me or knows me, knows that I treat everyone the same.

butchna said:
Was it segregated? He allowed you to sit with him? Hard to get your point.
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Butchna you are a funny guy. I fail to see how me saying a small minority of posters disliked Dobbs and Zo due to racism means I hate all White people. You are really stretching their buddy. Once again you have a very narrow sighted view.

Let's please drop this Butchna. I really don't want to talk about this anymore. I have love for all Vol fans.:peace2:
 
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sjt18 said:
Agree but I think S Jones might have a say before it is over.

I'm sure Dormady is a great guy. He may take some steps forward and become the "future". But nothing I've seen so far makes me a believer.

The most impressive things I've seen him do are roll out throws. He looks good with those.
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The QB competition next year will certainly be interesting.
 
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k-town_king said:
That is a huge underestimation. We dropped 5 in the Ark game alone. Where did you get your stats from? We dropped passes in every single game.
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UT Sports game stats. On phone and couldn't link. Mine should be considered an at least, please feel free to add.
 
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