This is how you know Dobbs is ready for the season

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

No. It simply isn't false. Even many of his completed passes forced receivers to twist, dive, or otherwise contort their bodies to make the play. Just look at the pass to J Smith that turned the UGA game. Dobbs was off target badly. Smith bailed him out with a great catch and run.

Dobbs is a smart guy. He's a great running QB. He's a great leader and "gamer". But his accuracy issues have not only held the O back but also contributed to the injuries UT has experienced at WR.

Actually no. You couldn't be more wrong.

Maybe you should watch the film room on SEC Network when Greg McElroy was visiting Tennessee. He specifically showed that play and gushed about what a great throw that was. He said that Josh fit the ball PERFECTLY into the tightest of windows giving his WR a chance. I think he used the term "fitting a blue whale into a swimming pool" with regard to Dobbs accuracy on that throw.

Once again you are showing your lack of football knowledge if you think that was a bad throw or exhibited lack of accuracy.

That was arguably Dobbs best throw of the season. NFL QBs would be jealous. It was a Sunday throw.

 

[VOL 4 Life 83]

Knowing the type of people here, I'll bet they'll still find something to complain about when he's completing 65% of his passes and throws for 3,000 yards.

9 pages into this thread and the resounding argument is not how good Dobbs can be, or how bad he was, it's simply recognizing that he has ONE fault, YES ONE!!!! He has struggled with his accuracy.

Yet 9 pages into just this thread you continue to make excuses for a guy that has admitted, along with his own coaches, that he needs to improve his accuracy. Can you not, for once, put down your pride and realize that no one here hates Dobbs or wishes bad things on him. Or God knows (shhh, wants him off the field because he's black!?) come on man, this is the 21st century. We could care less what skin color our QB has.

Pretty sure everyone here cares only about the color PMS 151 Orange...

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

Pretty sure someone (KB maybe?) discounted that by showing how many yards rushing we average on 1st down. So, why would we need to throw on first down? The down to throw on is second when you have 3-5 yards to go because it opens up your playbook more.

Not discounting that we need to throw more on 1st and 2nd down, but Dobbs is to blame for some of it, as well as OL, WR's, coaches, etc.

As I have said before. It's not JUST Dobbs, but you have to recognize that it's also not just everyone else

Never said he was blameless. Just that he was last on the totem pole.

If I had to rank em, the blame for the struggles in the passing game go in this order:

1. Coaching - we need to to throw more on 1st down as well as 2nd and short when teams dont expect it.

2. O-line - we have to get much better protecting the QB

3. Receivers - must get more separation and catch the ball









4. Quarterback - Josh just improve his footwork and passing mechanics to be a more consistent passer.




Josh is the least of my worries in the pass game. I know he's got what it takes to be better. I'm concerned about the coaches, o-line, and receivers.

 

[VOL 4 Life 83]

Never said he was blameless. Just that he was last on the totem pole.

If I had to rank em, the blame for the struggles in the passing game go in this order:

1. Coaching - we need to to throw more on 1st down as well as 2nd and short when teams dont expect it.

2. O-line - we have to get much better protecting the QB

3. Receivers - must get more separation and catch the ball









4. Quarterback - Josh just improve his footwork and passing mechanics to be a more consistent passer.




Josh is the least of my worries in the pass game. I know he's got what it takes to be better. I'm concerned about the coaches, o-line, and receivers.

Actually the OL was much improved last year only allowing 23 sacks for 5th best in the SEC, a drastic improvement from the year prior where we were one of the worst teams in the country

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

Actually the OL was much improved last year only allowing 23 sacks for 5th best in the SEC, a drastic improvement from the year prior where we were one of the worst teams in the country

We still have up a lot of pressure. To be an elite passing team they too must take the next step.

 

[Grand Vol]

Never said he was blameless. Just that he was last on the totem pole.

BS, you absolve him of any blame, any time this subject comes up. And what you can't realize is it's a cooperative effort on the part of the entire team.

Yes, Dobbs DOES make some bad throws.

Yes, the receivers don't catch some they should.

Yes, the emphasis has not been as much on the passing game as it could be.

Now the sooner you actually warm up to the idea that your Dobbs God isn't infallible, the quicker you might actually learn something about the game of football.

 

[Berry4Heisman14]

BS, you absolve him of any blame, any time this subject comes up. And what you can't realize is it's a cooperative effort on the part of the entire team.

Yes, Dobbs DOES make some bad throws.

Yes, the receivers don't catch some they should.

Yes, the emphasis has not been as much on the passing game as it could be.

Now the sooner you actually warm up to the idea that your Dobbs God isn't infallible, the quicker you might actually learn something about the game of football.

Dobbs is perfect and if you disagree you are racist. D4H acts like we all want Dobbs to fail. Everyone wants Dobbs to succeed we just don't think he's flawless like you do.

 

[VolFan4Life87]

You sure about that? Brady has been a horrible deep ball passer most of his career. He excels in the short to intermediate throws just like Manning.

Scout: Tom Brady Throws Worst Deep Ball In NFL But Is Best Under 15 Yards | New England Patriots | NESN.com

https://www.profootballfocus.com/qbs-in-focus-deep-passing-2/

The Mike Wallace Effect, Deep Ball Accuracy and Ryan Tannehill ? Pre Snap Reads

Brady has had a year or two where he did well on the deep ball. He and Manning are generally in the bottom half of the league when it comes to deep passing.


Most good qbs live off short to intermediate passes.

I guess the difference is Dobbs isn't just throwing "short passes" a quarter of the time, they're so short that if they were dropped they might be ruled a fumble. He literally hits the WR at the LOS or the HB swinging to the outside behind the LOS 25% of his throws. I'm not knocking it, it's working for the most part. But it is definitely padding his completion %. Dobbs certainly makes up for his accuracy issues with his mobility though. He can scramble for a first down in almost any situation it seems

 

[VFL-82-JP]

D4H's problem isn't that he's wrong. It's that he's looking for the simplest possible answer (without that answer being negative about Dobbs). Lately, he has seized hold of the "it's the coaches fault" simple answer to the question of our passing game woes.

Trouble is, in team sports, the simple answer is almost always too simple. It's almost always a combination of several things. Like protection + accuracy + hands + coaching.

You put 22 young men on the field, with about 140 more on the sidelines waiting for a chance to join them, plus another 20 coaches and 8 referees, all focused on a patch of land maybe 25 square meters in size centered on an inflated leather ball, and ANY action is going to involve multiple factors. Any trend, like a team's repeated inability to complete passes for gain, is going to be complicated with several equally important elements.

That's just football.

Anyone looking for an isolated, single cause for any such trend is just going to be wrong because incomplete. Simplistic.

Aside from seeing racism where none exists and not being a loyal fan through the lean years, that is D4H's only real fault in most of these threads. He's trying to find the simple answer where there isn't one.

 

[SteelerVol]

Thank God I finally found a thread where we can discuss Josh Dobbs passing accuracy. It's been like looking for Sasquatch... I've heard of it but never really seen one before...

 

[Titan&Volfan4life]

Lighten up folks.

Every smart person knows that Dobbs is a very good QB and we're lucky to have him on the hill.

I think we all expect that our O line will be much improved this season and that includes at pass protection.

I think we all expect our WRs and TE's to improve lots on pass production.

With the serious talent and competition we have now it's really simple...catch the ball or enjoy watching from the sidelines.

With our beastly run game the D has to focus on trying to stop our run attack and that opens up passing options.

The only thing Dobbs really needs to improve on is to hit just 1 or 2 long passes per half to scare the DC into backing a guy out of the box.

Just 2 to 4 long passes per game completed will change the entire flow of our O attack.

Dobbs knows better than anyone that this is his last season to shine and try to WIN it all in college so you can bet he's focused and working hard.

We don't need great improvement to reach our goals, just minor improvements at the right times and we'll all celebrate in Tampa at the end of this season.

We have a great TEAM!

TEAM =

Together
Everyone
Achieves
More

Building a Champion play by play, game by game and WIN by WIN...VFL...GBO!!!

 

[VOLINVONORE]

BS, you absolve him of any blame, any time this subject comes up. And what you can't realize is it's a cooperative effort on the part of the entire team.

Yes, Dobbs DOES make some bad throws.

Yes, the receivers don't catch some they should.

Yes, the emphasis has not been as much on the passing game as it could be.

Now the sooner you actually warm up to the idea that your Dobbs God isn't infallible, the quicker you might actually learn something about the game of football.

It seems that many of the NFL's scouts and independent QB raters still rate Dobbs down the the list of QB in next years draft because of his inability to accurately throw the deep ball.These are professionals who, if inaccurate in their evaluation of football players lose their jobs. I think I agree with them instead of some love sick poster on this and maybe other boards.

 

[KBVol]

You are still ignoring my post on his 3rd down passing stats which you always conveniently ignore.

Since you're so into stats, doesn't that prove Josh is consistently accurate on the most important passing down in football?

Or will you find a way to discount his SEC leading 3rd down passing stats?

I'm haven't ignored your suddenly, out of nowhere post referencing Dobbs' 3rd down passing. I responded to that weeks ago when you first brought it up by showing several stats that showed that yes, Josh was very good on third down in several games. But also was much better vs the lesser pass defenses thsn vs the better ones, which is to be somewhat expected.

See, what you continually do is get in your feelings about Josh if anyone doesn't share your belief that he's the best QB in the country, is on the verge of almost single-handed my leading his team to a 15-0 national championship season and absolutely, no doubt gonna win the heisman trophy.

Josh is an outstanding SEC QB, and even better human being and an incredibly positive face of our program.....a program that you rarely even support by the way. But no matter how much you incoherently and irrationally argue otherwise, he still needs to improve his throwing accuracy. Period.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

It seems that many of the NFL's scouts and independent QB raters still rate Dobbs down the the list of QB in next years draft because of his inability to accurately throw the deep ball.These are professionals who, if inaccurate in their evaluation of football players lose their jobs. I think I agree with them instead of some love sick poster on this and maybe other boards.

Interesting. Can you please cite your evidence?

Because from what I've seen, NFL draft analysts seem to hold a higher opinion of Dobbs than most around here. I remember arguing a few weeks after the season with people who said Dobbs had ZERO chance of being drafted. Then the early 2017 QB rankings come out showing Dobbs as a unanimous top 5-10 QB prospect for the 2017 draft.

He's been rated as high as the 3rd best NFL QB prospect in college football (just behind Deshaun Watson and Josh Rosen) by an NFL draft analyst on NFL.com. Next men up: Top QB talents in the CFB pipeline - NFL.com


Remember all you need is ONE team to fall in love with you to be a high draft pick.

 

[Darth_Shiveman]

Against Oklahoma, the incompletions were largely throw aways because of the relentless pressure by the Sooners defense. They blitzed nearly every play in the second half and DeBord failed the team by not adjusting.

And as was stated earlier, the Arkansas game had like 5 drops by wide receivers. Preston Williams also fumbled in the redzone. If his receivers helped him out any that game, we win easily.

This isn't exactly true on the Arkansas game. I researched that one recently. Dobbs was 20/36 passing and 11/16 incompletions were just bad throws on his part. 3-4 of them were just him missing wide open guys. He had help on a few bad passes that game as well. He did have some drops (Malone) and Willims did have a key fumble, but it doesn't change the fact that he was BAD that game.

I know you don't like to consider the possibility that you could be wrong about something or that Dobbs has flaws in his game that held the team back a bit in 2015, but the Arkansas game is a perfect example of both of those things.

 

[GAVol]

I guess the difference is Dobbs isn't just throwing "short passes" a quarter of the time, they're so short that if they were dropped they might be ruled a fumble. He literally hits the WR at the LOS or the HB swinging to the outside behind the LOS 25% of his throws. I'm not knocking it, it's working for the most part. But it is definitely padding his completion %. Dobbs certainly makes up for his accuracy issues with his mobility though. He can scramble for a first down in almost any situation it seems

We do screen a ton, but, andI have nothing to back this up, I'd almost bet that a majority of the QBs out there are completing 25% of their throws around the LOS.

For a balanced team, that only equates to maybe 6 or 7 screens/swings/check downs/etc per game.

 

[The Artful Dodger]

This. Drops don't seem to be the issue.
The receivers seem pretty reliable when they get a chance.

As KB has stated, coaching of receivers is very questionable, but drops don't seem inordinately high.

Can't agree more. Azzanni is a really good recruiter but hasn't shown the ability to coach up the very good talent we have at WR. Don't think it gets mentioned enough when talking about the passing game deficiencies. Not the whole problem, by any means, but definitely part of the problem.

 

[VOL 4 Life 83]

Interesting. Can you please cite your evidence?

Because from what I've seen, NFL draft analysts seem to hold a higher opinion of Dobbs than most around here. I remember arguing a few weeks after the season with people who said Dobbs had ZERO chance of being drafted. Then the early 2017 QB rankings come out showing Dobbs as a unanimous top 5-10 QB prospect for the 2017 draft.

He's been rated as high as the 3rd best NFL QB prospect in college football (just behind Deshaun Watson and Josh Rosen) by an NFL draft analyst on NFL.com. Next men up: Top QB talents in the CFB pipeline - NFL.com


Remember all you need is ONE team to fall in love with you to be a high draft pick.

NFL Draft - 2017 NFL Draft Prospects - CBSSports.com - NFLDraftScout.com (Dobbs rated #3 best QB)

https://n.rivals.com/news/farrell-ranking-the-top-32-prospects-for-the-2017-nfl-draft (Dobbs not listed in top 32 prospects, 2 QB's are in Kaaya and Watson)

WalterFootball.com: 2017 NFL Draft: Quarterback Rankings (Dobbs #6 best QB)

https://n.rivals.com/news/2017-nfl-draft-ranking-the-top-five-quarterback-prospects (Dobbs not listed as a top 5 QB in 2017)

http://www.ninersnation.com/2016/5/...terbacks-deshaun-watson-brad-kaaya-davis-webb (Kiper doesn't seem to think Dobbs is a top prospect for next year, not even listed in top 5 seniors or top 10 QB's overall)

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...uarterbacks-who-could-emerge-as-top-prospects (Does not list Dobbs as an emerging top QB prospect)

http://www.si.com/nfl/2016/05/02/nfl-mock-draft-2017-top-prospects (SI has 4 QB's taken in first round, Dobbs is not one of them, doesn't show where he is rated)

http://247sports.com/Gallery/nfl-draft-2017-todd-mcshay-releases-way-too-early-2017-mock-45197049 (McShays too early 2017 mock draft has 3 QB's in the first round, Dobbs not one of them)



There are many, many others. The point here is yes, you may find one or two analysts that rate Dobbs high, but there are also others that rate him much lower. So, you cannot cherry pick the ones that consider him high but completely discount the others. You need some objectivity.

 

[VolFootballIsLife]

I already made a thread discussing this point. The only reason Dobbs passing on 3rd down is better than it is on 1st and 2nd down is because we throw it more on 3rd down.

Dobbs is a rhythm passer like most QBs and needs a few passes to get in rhythm. We rarely pass on first down. Thus on the rare times we do pass, we have less success.

This is just fabricated nonsense. Since the stats don't back up your presumptive notion that he doesn't have accuracy issues you resort to a hypothesis claiming he's a rhythm passer"??

Love me some Dobbs but why don't we all stop acting like he's an elite passer and at the same time agree he's is very good passer. Listen, if Dobbs didn't have some accuracy issues (that shows up on "film") then he'd be #1 on Kipers big board. He has all the other tools which is why he'll get drafted but the NFL is a throwing league and if they see you might not be an elite thrower then you are looked at as 2nd tier draft material.

Dobbs doesn't make Mel's top 5 Seniors not to mention Deshaun Watson ahead of the pack..

SENIORS
Davis Webb, Cal
Mitch Leidner, Minnesota
Chad Kelly, Ole Miss
C.J. Beathard, Iowa
Cooper Rush, Central Michigan

If Josh becomes a better passer he will climb the board. If not, he's still one of the best college QBs in America, period; plenty capable of winning a national title with his current skill set.

 

[joevol33]

I'm not gonna mention names so I don't get in trouble, but I haven't seen a poster with this much love for a qb since someone was declaring peterman the nfl mvp. I mean no harm D4H, but I don't think anyone means any harm, or racism when speaking of Dobbs passing game.

 

[VOL 4 Life 83]

This is just fabricated nonsense. Since the stats don't back up your presumptive notion that he doesn't have accuracy issues you resort to a hypothesis claiming he's a rhythm passer"??

Love me some Dobbs but why don't we all stop acting like he's an elite passer and at the same time agree he's is very good passer. Listen, if Dobbs didn't have some accuracy issues (that shows up on "film") then he'd be #1 on Kipers big board. He has all the other tools which is why he'll get drafted but the NFL is a throwing league and if they see you might not be an elite thrower then you are looked at as 2nd tier draft material.

Dobbs doesn't make Mel's top 5 Seniors not to mention Deshaun Watson ahead of the pack..

SENIORS
Davis Webb, Cal
Mitch Leidner, Minnesota
Chad Kelly, Ole Miss
C.J. Beathard, Iowa
Cooper Rush, Central Michigan

If Josh becomes a better passer he will climb the board. If not, he's still one of the best college QBs in America, period; plenty capable of winning a national title with his current skill set.

Exactly. I just posted that article and noticed the same thing. Dobbs could move up, and he should with a very good passing season, but many analysts show he needs to work on his accuracy.

 

[82_VOL_83]

He has a gift. Why hasn't Butch reached out to him yet?

He can't stop laughing long enough to dial the phone.

 

[KBVol]

Have you regaled every poor pass? To anyone with three brain cells, one shouldn't have to have eery bad pass or every dropped pass relived tonadmit there was room to grow in each area. And for the record, since no one listed very dropped pass, you did say that there were only 6 on the year. I'm on mkobile s can't mutliquote. But you did.

No, I never said there were "only 6 drops last year". Here's my give and take with D4H, the post that has you so irritated....

Originally Posted by Dobbs 4 Heisman:
Josh Smith had a couple early drops in the South Carolina game that the commentators talked about. Von Pearson dropped one on a big 3rd down versus Florida that Verne and Gary talked about.

There are many others. I just remember those cause I've been doing film study of those 2 games recently.

My response....

No there aren't. There aren't many others. And so what are we up to now? About 6.....over the course of 13 games and 344 pass attempts? Laugh...the hell....out loud.


Where exactly did I say "there were only 6 drops last year? Answer is, I didn't. I was referring to "all the examples" that had been given to date to that point....which was about 6. You either misunderstood my comment or deliberately miscontrued it.

 

[UT's#1Fan]

And you gotta work on your posting.

no, his post was more accurate than most of Dobbs' deep balls. :hi:

 

[wmcovol]

Dobbs has made some beautiful passes, but let's be real - his completion % is helped by the fact that probably 25% of his throws are WR screens or to the HB, which you almost can't mess up if you're a D1 football player.

Every QB, even the GOAT completes those passes to increase their %. No one completes 60%+ throwing 10+ yards downfield all the time.

Some of the "accuracy" issues were mistakes made on the pattern by the WR (continuing to run when they should have "sat down")