This is how you know Dobbs is ready for the season

#76
#76
KBVol said:
Touché. I'm not saying there weren't drops or that there were only 6 all season. What I'm saying is people drop the line very cavalierly about how we dropped all these well-thrown balls all season, yet, when pressed to help me recall them, generally can't. No, our WR corps wasn't particularly good last year despite a lot of talent. But to try and write off the passing game as being poor because of these dropped passes is wrong to me. We've uncovered/recalled a handful thus far and that's about it.
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So let me get this straight.

Because homo sapiens have poor memories, that means that past didn't happen?

You reaching like hell in this thread bruh.
 
#77
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KBVol said:
Touché. I'm not saying there weren't drops or that there were only 6 all season. What I'm saying is people drop the line very cavalierly about how we dropped all these well-thrown balls all season, yet, when pressed to help me recall them, generally can't. No, our WR corps wasn't particularly good last year despite a lot of talent. But to try and write off the passing game as being poor because of these dropped passes is wrong to me. We've uncovered/recalled a handful thus far and that's about it.
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Have you regaled every poor pass? To anyone with three brain cells, one shouldn't have to have eery bad pass or every dropped pass relived tonadmit there was room to grow in each area. And for the record, since no one listed very dropped pass, you did say that there were only 6 on the year. I'm on mkobile s can't mutliquote. But you did.
 
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Orange_Crush said:
I actually agree that Josh needs to improve on accuracy. But I also think you have selective amnesia per the problem with dropped passes, which would allow you to oversell his accury problems.

USCe follow-up:

"Miscellaneous repeat failures. Pick something that has irritated you about the 2015 Vols. Most likely, it happened again Saturday. Punting inside the opponents' 40? Jones' standard conservatism was back this week. Dropped passes? Josh Malone dropped a perfectly-thrown ball that would've put the Vols up seven in the fourth quarter."

The above should jog the average fan's memory about what an irritating problem dropped passes were last year--enough that the article author rightly listed it as 'repeat failure'. As in, it's been a problem all season and is still a problem.

Or the article describing how Clemson has taken our the moniker of wide receiver u. Talks about the problems with receivers last year. Mentions Dobbs' accuracy issues while also describing receiver drops and other receiver issues.

Tennessee Vols Should Surrender Wide Receiver U Title

After 2-3 start, Tennessee Vols must manage frustration | Times Free Press

You could also search the thread here on VN tiled 'drops' dated 11-7-15.

http://www.volnation.com/forum/tennessee-vols-football/248940-drops.html

Drops were a major problem last year. To deny that is either ignorance or dishonesty.
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As matter of fact. I just watched a game on YouTube and the guy said " when Dobbs is accurate, he gets no help from wrs, or he has to scramble, because of the o line. "
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
You are still ignoring my post on his 3rd down passing stats which you always conveniently ignore.

Since you're so into stats, doesn't that prove Josh is consistently accurate on the most important passing down in football?

Or will you find a way to discount his SEC leading 3rd down passing stats?
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I'm fairly certain that to reach the status or receive the reward you claim he already deserves, he is supposed to perform to a certain level on every down.
Not to mention, the SEC has had a worse than usual couple of years at the qb position.
Why would being the best on one down in a weak division, lead you to make so many insane claims?

Once again, his qbr ranges between 16th and 25th?
Why don't you address how 20th = 1st?
 
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k-town_king said:
Yes he will follow his backup year this year by backing up Jarrett next year and in the future. :)
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Or vice versa or versa versa. :). Key is "will" you accept any verdict other than what you've ordered? :) Tryin to help you partner, you've morphed from racial injustice warrior to PSYCHIC racial injustice warrior. Somebody needs to swat your nose with a newspaper before you try to get a show on TLC. :w00t:
 
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Here is what D4H fails to consider....

1) On 3rd down, most D coordinators will play a zone i.e. not pressing the receiver. What this means is the DB is playing off the WR, not giving up the big play and keeping the ball in front of him. This makes it easier for the QB to complete a shorter pass to a WR, thus Dobbs 3rd down completion % looks REALLY good, which helps the WR convert a third down on foot.

2) Dobbs has been our QB for more-or-less 3 years right? His career completion % is 60.8. If he was so ACCURATE, don't you think he would have shown how accurate he was over those THREE years of being our QB? Maybe even showing an up-slope in percentage?

3) Dobbs' yards per attempt is a paltry 6.4 yards over his entire career at UT. EXTREMELY low for a 1st rounder as D4H hammers into all of our brains.

4) D4H obviously gets major woody over Dobbs, and will pull the race card if ANYONE says ANYTHING negative about him, blaming it on race, when there are obvious other factors to consider that his accuracy may need to improve, as well as the OL and WR's. But no, we are all racists for calling out Dobbs on his NATIONALLY KNOWN inaccurate passes on the football field.

Are there other factors to consider for why a QB isn't accurate? Well duh, of course there are. But D4H ALWAYS blames EVERYONE ELSE for the QB's struggles, instead of even considering that Dobbs needs to improve, yet he blatantly calls us all racists when we don't take HIS POINTS as gospel....
 
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VOL 4 Life 83 said:
Here is what D4H fails to consider....

1) On 3rd down, most D coordinators will play a zone i.e. not pressing the receiver. What this means is the DB is playing off the WR, not giving up the big play and keeping the ball in front of him. This makes it easier for the QB to complete a shorter pass to a WR, thus Dobbs 3rd down completion % looks REALLY good, which helps the WR convert a third down on foot.

2) Dobbs has been our QB for more-or-less 3 years right? His career completion % is 60.8. If he was so ACCURATE, don't you think he would have shown how accurate he was over those THREE years of being our QB? Maybe even showing an up-slope in percentage?

3) Dobbs' yards per attempt is a paltry 6.4 yards over his entire career at UT. EXTREMELY low for a 1st rounder as D4H hammers into all of our brains.

4) D4H obviously gets major woody over Dobbs, and will pull the race card if ANYONE says ANYTHING negative about him, blaming it on race, when there are obvious other factors to consider that his accuracy may need to improve, as well as the OL and WR's. But no, we are all racists for calling out Dobbs on his NATIONALLY KNOWN inaccurate passes on the football field.

Are there other factors to consider for why a QB isn't accurate? Well duh, of course there are. But D4H ALWAYS blames EVERYONE ELSE for the QB's struggles, instead of even considering that Dobbs needs to improve, yet he blatantly calls us all racists when we don't take HIS POINTS as gospel....
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Nice post.
The thing is, I know that posters like KB and myself, like Dobbs. I feel really lucky to have him as a qb.
That doesn't mean that I will just blatantly lie and say he's a better passer than everyone with a better passer rating.???
For most, that's called common sense. For those conspiracy theorists, it's either racist or everyone else's fault.
 
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butchna said:
Or vice versa or versa versa. :). Key is "will" you accept any verdict other than what you've ordered? :) Tryin to help you partner, you've morphed from racial injustice warrior to PSYCHIC racial injustice warrior. Somebody needs to swat your nose with a newspaper before you try to get a show on TLC. :w00t:
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You are a funny guy. Pointing out something that is happening is not being a warrior. It is just being honest. I have always said JG will start is an opinion. My other opinions have been right so I guess you can take it as a fact. Not psychic. I just can see talent and look at the big picture. You just have a very myopic viewpoint.
 
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chargervol said:
I'm fairly certain that to reach the status or receive the reward you claim he already deserves, he is supposed to perform to a certain level on every down.
Not to mention, the SEC has had a worse than usual couple of years at the qb position.
Why would being the best on one down in a weak division, lead you to make so many insane claims?

Once again, his qbr ranges between 16th and 25th?
Why don't you address how 20th = 1st?
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"Because Dobbs."
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
You are still ignoring my post on his 3rd down passing stats which you always conveniently ignore.

Since you're so into stats, doesn't that prove Josh is consistently accurate on the most important passing down in football?

Or will you find a way to discount his SEC leading 3rd down passing stats?
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Where does he rank on 1st and 2nd downs? Combined, they are more important then 3rd down, because there is a hell of a lot more of them in a season.
 
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VOL 4 Life 83 said:
Here is what D4H fails to consider....

1) On 3rd down, most D coordinators will play a zone i.e. not pressing the receiver. What this means is the DB is playing off the WR, not giving up the big play and keeping the ball in front of him. This makes it easier for the QB to complete a shorter pass to a WR, thus Dobbs 3rd down completion % looks REALLY good, which helps the WR convert a third down on foot.

2) Dobbs has been our QB for more-or-less 3 years right? His career completion % is 60.8. If he was so ACCURATE, don't you think he would have shown how accurate he was over those THREE years of being our QB? Maybe even showing an up-slope in percentage?

3) Dobbs' yards per attempt is a paltry 6.4 yards over his entire career at UT. EXTREMELY low for a 1st rounder as D4H hammers into all of our brains.

4) D4H obviously gets major woody over Dobbs, and will pull the race card if ANYONE says ANYTHING negative about him, blaming it on race, when there are obvious other factors to consider that his accuracy may need to improve, as well as the OL and WR's. But no, we are all racists for calling out Dobbs on his NATIONALLY KNOWN inaccurate passes on the football field.

Are there other factors to consider for why a QB isn't accurate? Well duh, of course there are. But D4H ALWAYS blames EVERYONE ELSE for the QB's struggles, instead of even considering that Dobbs needs to improve, yet he blatantly calls us all racists when we don't take HIS POINTS as gospel....
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You make very good points. The problem is that the D4H hate group (I an personally ambivalent about him. I think he has some troll tendencies, but nonetheless...) Whereas he goes too far on the Dobbs is great bandwagon, there seems to be a group here so inten on countering D4H that they err on the other end of the spectrum. They blame Dobbs while denying any other blame.

Personally, I think these conversations would be much more produive and intellectually honest if you guys would shelve your hate for d4h and just be honest to the conversation. Dobbs has had accury problems. The receivers have had problems getting separation and catching passes. Hopefully they all get their problems resolved and we win it all this year.

See how easy that is? If d4h wants to act the fool. Fine. Let him. Doesn' t mean anyone else has to be a reverse-fool. Reverse-fools don't counter the fools. They just double the number of fools the rest of us have to put up with.
 
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chargervol said:
Nice post.
The thing is, I know that posters like KB and myself, like Dobbs. I feel really lucky to have him as a qb.
That doesn't mean that I will just blatantly lie and say he's a better passer than everyone with a better passer rating.???
For most, that's called common sense. For those conspiracy theorists, it's either racist or everyone else's fault.
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Agreed. I love Dobbs, and thankful we've had, and still have him. He's a great player, and even better representative/role model for Tennessee. That said, he's not perfect, nor the best qb out there.
 
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VOL 4 Life 83 said:
Here is what D4H fails to consider....

1) On 3rd down, most D coordinators will play a zone i.e. not pressing the receiver. What this means is the DB is playing off the WR, not giving up the big play and keeping the ball in front of him. This makes it easier for the QB to complete a shorter pass to a WR, thus Dobbs 3rd down completion % looks REALLY good, which helps the WR convert a third down on foot.
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First of all, that's why I focus on 1st downs converted rather than simply 3rd down completion %. Dobbs led the SEC in 1st downs converted through the air on 3rd down.

So unless you are suggesting opposing defensive coordinators don't mind letting us convert 3rd downs through the air, I don't get your point.

And on the statement that it was wide receivers converting the 1st downs on their feet, wouldn't that also be true for other teams?

Or is it only Josh that can't complete a first down on 3rd and long without his receivers running for most of the yardage?

Statements like this is why I believe there is an agenda beyond football against Dobbs. What other fanbase dismisses their QBs league leading stats?
 
#94
#94
Orange_Crush said:
I actually agree that Josh needs to improve on accuracy. But I also think you have selective amnesia per the problem with dropped passes, which would allow you to oversell his accury problems.

USCe follow-up:

"Miscellaneous repeat failures. Pick something that has irritated you about the 2015 Vols. Most likely, it happened again Saturday. Punting inside the opponents' 40? Jones' standard conservatism was back this week. Dropped passes? Josh Malone dropped a perfectly-thrown ball that would've put the Vols up seven in the fourth quarter."

The above should jog the average fan's memory about what an irritating problem dropped passes were last year--enough that the article author rightly listed it as 'repeat failure'. As in, it's been a problem all season and is still a problem.

Or the article describing how Clemson has taken our the moniker of wide receiver u. Talks about the problems with receivers last year. Mentions Dobbs' accuracy issues while also describing receiver drops and other receiver issues.

Tennessee Vols Should Surrender Wide Receiver U Title

After 2-3 start, Tennessee Vols must manage frustration | Times Free Press

You could also search the thread here on VN tiled 'drops' dated 11-7-15.

http://www.volnation.com/forum/tennessee-vols-football/248940-drops.html

Drops were a major problem last year. To deny that is either ignorance or dishonesty.
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Wasted effort. Once his mind is made up, it's made up.
 
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#95
volfanhill said:
Where does he rank on 1st and 2nd downs? Combined, they are more important then 3rd down, because there is a hell of a lot more of them in a season.
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I already made a thread discussing this point. The only reason Dobbs passing on 3rd down is better than it is on 1st and 2nd down is because we throw it more on 3rd down.

Dobbs is a rhythm passer like most QBs and needs a few passes to get in rhythm. We rarely pass on first down. Thus on the rare times we do pass, we have less success.

Just look up Dobbs most prolific passing games. Their usually the games we trail by multiple TDs (South Carolina 2014 and Georgia 2015) and we need to throw our way back into those games.

Josh has shown he can win games for us through the air when we let him. The problem is Butch Jones only lets Dobbs free when he has no choice (see the Georgia and South Carolina games).
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
First of all, that's why I focus on 1st downs converted rather than simply 3rd down completion %. Dobbs led the SEC in 1st downs converted through the air on 3rd down.

So unless you are suggesting opposing defensive coordinators don't mind letting us convert 3rd downs through the air, I don't get your point.

And on the statement that it was wide receivers converting the 1st downs on their feet, wouldn't that also be true for other teams?

Or is it only Josh that can't complete a first down on 3rd and long without his receivers running for most of the yardage?

Statements like this is why I believe there is an agenda beyond football against Dobbs. What other fanbase dismisses their QBs league leading stats?
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No, I actually want Dobbs to succeed.

And why is it that you have NO OTHER ARGUMENT than 3rd down completion %??

I pointed out his YPA were ungodly low, yet you chose to ignore that statistic.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
I already made a thread discussing this point. The only reason Dobbs passing on 3rd down is better than it is on 1st and 2nd down is because we throw it more on 3rd down.

Dobbs is a rhythm passer like most QBs and needs a few passes to get in rhythm. We rarely pass on first down. Thus on the rare times we do pass, we have less success.

Just look up Dobbs most prolific passing games. Their usually the games we trail by multiple TDs (South Carolina 2014 and Georgia 2015) and we need to throw our way back into those games.

Josh has shown he can win games for us through the air when we let him. The problem is Butch Jones only lets Dobbs free when he has no choice (see the Georgia and South Carolina games).
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Actually, it was Dobbs' feet that won that game (USCe in 2014), rushing for 166 yards and 3 TD's. That's probably why his passing stats looked good. He made the defense honest.

And in all reality, he only completed 57.5% of his passes that game and only 7.5 YPA, so good, but not outstanding.
 
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VOL 4 Life 83 said:
Actually, it was Dobbs' feet that won that game (USCe in 2014), rushing for 166 yards and 3 TD's. That's probably why his passing stats looked good. He made the defense honest.

And in all reality, he only completed 57.5% of his passes that game and only 7.5 YPA, so good, but not outstanding.
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It also helped that he was facing a defense roughly equivalent to thin air.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
First of all, that's why I focus on 1st downs converted rather than simply 3rd down completion %. Dobbs led the SEC in 1st downs converted through the air on 3rd down.

So unless you are suggesting opposing defensive coordinators don't mind letting us convert 3rd downs through the air, I don't get your point.

And on the statement that it was wide receivers converting the 1st downs on their feet, wouldn't that also be true for other teams?

Or is it only Josh that can't complete a first down on 3rd and long without his receivers running for most of the yardage?

Statements like this is why I believe there is an agenda beyond football against Dobbs. What other fanbase dismisses their QBs league leading stats?
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No, you "focus" on the only stat he leads in because that kind of cherry picking is the only way to support your agenda.
 
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