Not impressed with Justin Fuente

#76
#76
holdemvol said:
I agree that he is done, but I will also give credit where it is due. He sold enough snake oil to land one of the best jobs in the country.
Click to expand...

He absolutely did that. But a quick look at his vandie resume and the side of the ball that he's always been responsible for, the offensive side, tells the story. His offenses at Maryland when he was an OC were awful....his offenses at vandie where he focused his attention and called the plays on gamedays were awful...and his offenses now at PSU are God-awful.

Now, juxtapose the awful national offense rankings under Franklin with the outstanding national defense rankings under his DC Bob Shoop......and add a dash of easy, very poor strength of schedule opponents.......then throw in an energetic, dynamic, if not abrasive attitude/personality of a full-throated used car salesman, and you get the full picture of how he was able to do it.
 
#77
#77
KBVol said:
Well said. Plenty of us pointed out that Franklin was a sham at Vandy.....never finished higher than 4th in a pathetic SECEast, lost to all the good teams, beat up on and narrowly defeated all the awful teams. No smoke and mirrors at PSU like at Vandy and Ol' Snakehead is now exposed.....and now that he's lost the real secret to any success he's ever actually had, Bob Shoop, it'll get even worse this year.
Click to expand...
I agree and Bob Shoop made him look good. Franklin has never been proficient on the offense side of the ball. Now that he won't be in the defense side either. I wonder how much longer Penn State will give him?
 
#78
#78
KBVol said:
He absolutely did that. But a quick look at his vandie resume and the side of the ball that he's always been responsible for, the offensive side, tells the story. His offenses at Maryland when he was an OC were awful....his offenses at vandie where he focused his attention and called the plays on gamedays were awful...and his offenses now at PSU are God-awful.

Now, juxtapose the awful national offense rankings under Franklin with the outstanding national defense rankings under his DC Bob Shoop......and add a dash of easy, very poor strength of schedule opponents.......then throw in an energetic, dynamic, if not abrasive attitude/personality of a full-throated used car salesman, and you get the full picture of how he was able to do it.
Click to expand...

Exactly what I was thinking. Good stuff
 
#80
#80
Titans4Vols said:
The problem with these arguments of "3-9 vs weak opponents" is you're not taking to account the talent he has at Memphis. It's not the same as coming to Tennessee and going 3-9 against weak opponents because Tennessee's talent level, even in it's worst years, is astronomically better than Memphis' talent level even at their best.

You're comparing apples to POTHOLES.

I haven't watched enough of Memphis to comment on Fuente, but felt the need to point out the flaw in your comparison.
Click to expand...

fyp
 
#81
#81
KBVol said:
He absolutely did that. But a quick look at his vandie resume and the side of the ball that he's always been responsible for, the offensive side, tells the story. His offenses at Maryland when he was an OC were awful....his offenses at vandie where he focused his attention and called the plays on gamedays were awful...and his offenses now at PSU are God-awful.

Now, juxtapose the awful national offense rankings under Franklin with the outstanding national defense rankings under his DC Bob Shoop......and add a dash of easy, very poor strength of schedule opponents.......then throw in an energetic, dynamic, if not abrasive attitude/personality of a full-throated used car salesman, and you get the full picture of how he was able to do it.
Click to expand...
Agree on all of this. There was a reason he went from HC in waiting at MD to MD praying he would take another job.
 
Last edited:
  • Like
Reactions: 1 person
#82
#82
QuickSmurf said:
I agree and Bob Shoop made him look good. Franklin has never been proficient on the offense side of the ball. Now that he won't be in the defense side either. I wonder how much longer Penn State will give him?
Click to expand...

Can't imagine it would be much longer Smurf. He started getting criticism in year one and it only amplified in year 2....then throw in Hackenburg and NFL GMs and scouts running his offensive philosophies and schemes through the mud....and furthermore, as you said, take away his stud DC that oftentimes single-handedly kept him games, and I gotta believe he's feeling some fairly significant heat coming into year 3.

Furthermore and just for good measure, Juxtapose that with where our program is in year 4 under Jones and all the momentum and expectations we now enjoy, and it's even all the better....and it puts the lie to all those in the media and elsewhere who a couple years ago said UT fans would take Snakehead as their headcoach in a heartbeat. I certainly hate the thought of pretty much anybody losing their job, but it certainly won't hurt my feelings when PSU calls the press conference one day soon to announce they're beginning a search for a new head football coach.
 
  • Like
Reactions: 1 person
#83
#83
KBVol said:
Can't imagine it would be much longer Smurf. He started getting criticism in year one and it only amplified in year 2....then throw in Hackenburg and NFL GMs and scouts running his offensive philosophies and schemes through the mud....and furthermore, as you said, take away his stud DC that oftentimes single-handedly kept him games, and I gotta believe he's feeling some fairly significant heat coming into year 3.

Furthermore and just for good measure, Juxtapose that with where our program is in year 4 under Jones and all the momentum and expectations we now enjoy, and it's even all the better....and it puts the lie to all those in the media and elsewhere who a couple years ago said UT fans would take Snakehead as their headcoach in a heartbeat. I certainly hate the thought of pretty much anybody losing their job, but it certainly won't hurt my feelings when PSU calls the press conference one day soon to announce they're beginning a search for a new head football coach.
Click to expand...
Pick your poison...Dooley or Franklin?
 
Last edited:
#85
#85
KBVol said:
Dear GOD.....poison is the right way to phrase it. At least Dooley was somewhat entertaining and not a straight up d!ck 100% of the time?
Click to expand...

Actually, a friend of mine close to the program (then and now) said Dooley was, in fact, a d!ck about 100% of the time. Said neither the players nor the other coaches liked him. On the other hand, he said everyone loves Butch!
 
#86
#86
KBVol said:
Can't imagine it would be much longer Smurf. He started getting criticism in year one and it only amplified in year 2....then throw in Hackenburg and NFL GMs and scouts running his offensive philosophies and schemes through the mud....and furthermore, as you said, take away his stud DC that oftentimes single-handedly kept him games, and I gotta believe he's feeling some fairly significant heat coming into year 3.

Furthermore and just for good measure, Juxtapose that with where our program is in year 4 under Jones and all the momentum and expectations we now enjoy, and it's even all the better....and it puts the lie to all those in the media and elsewhere who a couple years ago said UT fans would take Snakehead as their headcoach in a heartbeat. I certainly hate the thought of pretty much anybody losing their job, but it certainly won't hurt my feelings when PSU calls the press conference one day soon to announce they're beginning a search for a new head football coach.
Click to expand...
When we were going through the process of hiring Shoop I would lurk on Penn State boards to see if I could find any information lol. Anyways it seems that alot of them are getting pretty discontent with how things have been since they hired Franklin. Like you said he turned their talented QB into a ball chucker. It seems that they knew or was aware if how important Shoop was to Franklin's success. Besides the defense there hasn't been any indication that Franklin is turning the Penn State program around. Their fans seem pretty passionate so I don't think Franklin has another year after this one. Franklin isn't showing them anything to be hopeful about. I watched them play Michigan last year. It was awful. Literally every other play was the QB throwing a bomb. It's easy to see that Franklin is really not all that offensively minded. Yeah he's not gonna make it in the Big 10 and I think Maryland's head coaching hire has no doubt made things even worse for Penn State. If there ever was a fake coach, it's Franklin.
 
  • Like
Reactions: 1 person
#88
#88
BigOrangeLoyalist said:
Actually, a friend of mine close to the program (then and now) said Dooley was, in fact, a d!ck about 100% of the time. Said neither the players nor the other coaches liked him. On the other hand, he said everyone loves Butch!
Click to expand...

Not trying to defend Dooley at all but I think that had he won here nobody would have cared how his personality was. Kind of like Nick Saban. I think that Dooley was sincere about who he was and wasn't a fake at least.
 
#90
#90
holdemvol said:
Are you going to tell us why you think Fuente is a farce? "Some people thought Franklin could coach" isn't really an argument.
Click to expand...

I think he lucked into a situation and got a good QB and took advantage. I think he's a farce.
Are you going to join in the ship jumpers and make excuses for Fuente when we stomp VPI? I mean there's a helluva lot more talent in Blacksburg than there ever was in Memphis. I mean all the Fuente boot shiners claimed the tiggers would have beaten UT. Thus VPI should mop the field with us.
 
#92
#92
BigOrangeLoyalist said:
Actually, a friend of mine close to the program (then and now) said Dooley was, in fact, a d!ck about 100% of the time. Said neither the players nor the other coaches liked him. On the other hand, he said everyone loves Butch!
Click to expand...

Then that makes the decision even more difficult. I can't imagine ANY scenario, EVER, where if want Franklin anywhere near my beloved Vols football program. If he were to ever somehow become our headcoach I might actually have to pull a Dobbs4Heisman, go all fair-weathered fan, and just wander the SEC wilderness until he was gone or something.
 
  • Like
Reactions: 1 person
#94
#94
QuickSmurf said:
When we were going through the process of hiring Shoop I would lurk on Penn State boards to see if I could find any information lol. Anyways it seems that alot of them are getting pretty discontent with how things have been since they hired Franklin. Like you said he turned their talented QB into a ball chucker. It seems that they knew or was aware if how important Shoop was to Franklin's success. Besides the defense there hasn't been any indication that Franklin is turning the Penn State program around. Their fans seem pretty passionate so I don't think Franklin has another year after this one. Franklin isn't showing them anything to be hopeful about. I watched them play Michigan last year. It was awful. Literally every other play was the QB throwing a bomb. It's easy to see that Franklin is really not all that offensively minded. Yeah he's not gonna make it in the Big 10 and I think Maryland's head coaching hire has no doubt made things even worse for Penn State. If there ever was a fake coach, it's Franklin.
Click to expand...

Agree 100%. Sure looks like he caught lightning in a bottle at Vandie. Good on him for parlaying that into the gig at PSU, but I, like you, believe his days are numbered there.
 
  • Like
Reactions: 1 person
#95
#95
KBVol said:
The evidence sure seems to support that thought.
Click to expand...

Had Dooley not made the worst DC hire in the history of college football his time here would be very different. I'm not saying that he was a good head coach or trying to defend him or anything. I'm just saying that he knew more about X's and O's on the offensive side of the ball than Franklin ever has. To me Franklin seems little more than a cheerleader.
 
  • Like
Reactions: 1 person
#96
#96
ReaderVol said:
I think he lucked into a situation and got a good QB and took advantage. I think he's a farce.
Are you going to join in the ship jumpers and make excuses for Fuente when we stomp VPI? I mean there's a helluva lot more talent in Blacksburg than there ever was in Memphis. I mean all the Fuente boot shiners claimed the tiggers would have beaten UT. Thus VPI should mop the field with us.
Click to expand...
I don't think he needs an excuse for losing to a vastly more talented TN team. I am also not going to discount a coach's resume because he happened to have (or God forbid we allow that maybe he helped develop) a good quarterback. He may fail, but "people were wrong about some other dude" and "but he had a good qb" aren't very compelling arguments imo. I also don't remember a ton of posts claiming that Memphis would have beat UT last year. I am sure there were a few here and there, but I doubt it was an epidemic. That said, they beat a similarly talented OM team, so it's not like it would be out of the realm of possibility.
 
  • Like
Reactions: 2 people
#98
#98
holdemvol said:
You may be right, I just have a hard time with anything Dooley. This is coming from a guy that made excuses for him for a couple of years, and I dislike myself for it.
Click to expand...

There's nothing wrong with being patient, objective, fair minded, rational and thoughtful. I gave him a chance and I don't regret it. I love Vol football so what else could I do? Anyways I'm quit content now with how our program is evolving.
 
#99
#99
KBVol said:
Then that makes the decision even more difficult. I can't imagine ANY scenario, EVER, where if want Franklin anywhere near my beloved Vols football program. If he were to ever somehow become our headcoach I might actually have to pull a Dobbs4Heisman, go all fair-weathered fan, and just wander the SEC wilderness until he was gone or something.
Click to expand...
After he was fired alot of that stuff came out. DD treated support staff like garbage.
 
#100
#100
QuickSmurf said:
There's nothing wrong with being patient, objective, fair minded, rational and thoughtful. I gave him a chance and I don't regret it. I love Vol football so what else could I do? Anyways I'm quit content now with how our program is evolving.
Click to expand...
I am certainly happy with the programs current trajectory, and glad that I can now laugh at the past.
 
New posts
You must log in or register to reply here.
Advertisement



Back
Top