Not impressed with Justin Fuente

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My guess is that he was able to take advantage of a q.b. that had no business being at Memphis. Paxton is/was an S.E.C. caliber type q.b. Justin rode him as far as he could and it ended up getting him a better job. However; the defense did play their ass off in order to beat Ole Piss. So, the winning wasn't entirely due to Paxton.
Just as you are not impressed with Fuentes, I, myself, am not impress with Phil Jackson or Urban Crier. Notice that Jackson won in Chicago with H.O.F. M.J. & Scotty P. He also won in L.A. with Shaq & Kobe. Would Jackson ever take a job in Washington, with the roster that they have? Of course not! It is easier to win when you have H.O.F. players on the team.
Urban Crier won at Utah and I must admit that was due to his own hard work and his recruiting. However; he then went to Florida and recruiting players to Florida is easy. Also, recruiting players to T.O.S.U. is easy too. So, any decent coach could win under those situations.
Just wait for a couple of seasons from now when Michigan and Harbaugh start to win the BIG 10. You will see Urban make a quick exit even before his contract is completed. He will leave "to spend more time with his family" or "to pursue a job in the N.F.L." Once he starts losing, he will exit stage left.
 
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ArmyVol697 said:
In his first year at Memphis, he went 4-8. Then his second year, he went 3-9. Imagine what would happen here if we went 3-9 against the weak opponents like in he had in that joke of a conference. In his third year he went 10-3 and last year he went 9-3. Granted, such a feat at Memphis is remarkable, I just can't get over the fact that for three of those years he had an awesome qb who ended up as a first-round draft pick. He was a three star guy and maybe I should give him credit for coaching him up, but I can't because Memphis plays in a joke of a conference. Also, he is 1 out of 5 against ranked opponents with his sole victory in his last year. I'm just not impressed.

I guess there is an argument for the work he did under Patterson, but last year TCU was 11-2 and the year before that they were 12-1. Patterson, in 16 years is 143-47, so I give him most of the credit for the success during the years that Fuentes was there.

Granted, we shouldn't underestimate anyone, but those thinking he is some awesome coach and we need to be worried about the Battle in Bristol, need to get a grip. We are going to do to them what we did in our last game against that Yankee team in purple.

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"You are who your numbers say you are."
 
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KBVol said:
Temple was a pretty good football team last year. Top 20 defense, had narrow losses to #8 Houston and #11 Notre Dame. Poor cherry pick, try again.
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You call me out when he used the a team that beat a team argument? Nice agenda you got there

Temple should have been no problem for the team that beat the team that beat Alabama.
 
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I don't know how well his offense will translate to a power five week in and week out.

I don't think they will be able to handle the athleticism of our DBs, or having their tackles on an island against our best pass rushers all game.

But we will see.
 
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utvolpj said:
You call me out when he used the a team that beat a team argument? Nice agenda you got there

Temple should have been no problem for the team that beat the team that beat Alabama
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Just trying to match your weak transitive property example. No agenda here other than to point out the obvious....any coach that can win 19 games at an atrocious program like Memphis, including a win vs a 10-win top 10 team and rival like OleMiss, has done an outstanding job.
 
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KBVol said:
Just trying to match your weak transitive property example. No agenda here other than to point out the obvious....any coach that can win 19 games at an atrocious program like Memphis, including a win vs a 10-win top 10 team and rival like OleMiss, has done an outstanding job.
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You don't seem to understand the transitive property since memphis actually played temple. They did not play Alabama. National category rankings mean little without a comparable schedule yet you used that too

Stalk on kb, stalk on :eek:lol:
 
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TNnative said:
Both of them?

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Well Fuente is the only one of the 2 greatest up and comings left. It was Fuente and Franklin but we all know what's happened to Franklin. So now all the boot shines belong to the next GOAT, Justin Fuente.
Remember there were some on this very site wishing UT had Fuente.
 
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utvolpj said:
You don't seem to understand the transitive property since memphis actually played temple. They did not play Alabama. National category rankings mean little without a comparable schedule yet you used that too

Stalk on kb, stalk on :eek:lol:
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Shhhhhhhhhhhut your mouth! Fuente and Franklin are the greatest up and coming coaches ever and we'd be lucky to have either one... oh I mean Fuente is. LOL
 
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VT made a good hire. He will have them ready to play, but Vols are more ready. Tennessee wins by 20.
 
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Bud Foster is a serious part of the equation this inaugural season. Given that VaTech has alway buttered their bread on the defensive side, having Fuente as the offensive schemer makes for an interesting matchup at the ole racetrack.
 
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utvolpj said:
You don't seem to understand the transitive property since memphis actually played temple. They did not play Alabama. National category rankings mean little without a comparable schedule yet you used that too

Stalk on kb, stalk on :eek:lol:
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Perhaps you're a little confused.....they beat the only team (OleMiss) that beat last year's National champ (Alabama).....that was the first example given.

Bottom line, I disagree with you or anybody else who says Fuente didn't do an excellent job at Memphis. They had won 22% of their games in the 4 seasons preceding his arrival there. In his 4 seasons he won 52% of his games and he developed a QB that literally no one else wanted coming out of highschool into a first round pick. So, continue on with your usual smarmy, condescending schtick if you want, but you're dead wrong about Fuente at Memphis if you think he didn't do an outstanding job at Memphis.
 
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KBVol said:
Perhaps you're a little confused.....they beat the only team (OleMiss) that beat last year's National champ (Alabama).....that was the first example given.

Bottom line, I disagree with you or anybody else who says Fuente didn't do an excellent job at Memphis. They had won 22% of their games in the 4 seasons preceding his arrival there. In his 4 seasons he won 52% of his games and he developed a QB that literally no one else wanted coming out of highschool into a first round pick. So, continue on with your usual smarmy, condescending schtick if you want, but you're dead wrong about Fuente at Memphis if you think he didn't do an outstanding job at Memphis.
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I never said he wasn't a good coach. I simply pointed out that ole miss beating Alabama is completely irrelevant to a discussion about his abilities. Clearly you seem to think it does and felt the need to call me out on the simple statement and then make up arguments I never made to fit your ridiculous agenda. Try replying to what is posted and not some fictional discussion you've created in your head. Evidently that's your shtick
 
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Without knocking Fuente, a more 'apples to apples' comparison would be Butch vs Oregon.

Now, it's pretty clear that UT is better than it was when Butch arrived. By far. But at game time in Eugene, UO outclassed our roster so severely that it didn't matter what the coaches did. I think Fuente will find himself in a similar situation at BMS. He may or may not be successful at VT in time, but not in time to prevent a total destruction at the hands of the Vols. Tennessee wins big, 3+ TDs.
 
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utvolpj said:
I never said he wasn't a good coach. I simply pointed out that ole miss beating Alabama is completely irrelevant to a discussion about his abilities. Clearly you seem to think it does and felt the need to call me out on the simple statement and then make up arguments I never made to fit your ridiculous agenda. Try replying to what is posted and not some fictional discussion you've created in your head. Evidently that's your shtick
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Well, see we got under your very thin skin here

No, you just implied it by trying to discount the job he did last year by stating "he lost to Temple". Also, his win over OleMiss certainly wasn't irrelevant to the discussion of the job he did, it was a very quality win vs a top 10 team........and the fact that OleMiss beat Bama serves to buttress how quality a win it actually was by helping define how good OleMiss was....which was very good.

Finally, how is saying that "Fuente did an outstanding job" at a perennial atrocious program at Memphis a "ridiculous agenda"? Yeah, that's wayyyy out there with no basis in fact.
 
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TUSKtimes said:
Bud Foster is a serious part of the equation this inaugural season. Given that VaTech has alway buttered their bread on the defensive side, having Fuente as the offensive schemer makes for an interesting matchup at the ole racetrack.
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Perhaps if this game was in 2017 or 2018... but for now, VT is rebuilding and (obviously) has new coaching.. As others have stated, Bud Foster will have a good defensive game plan, but our talent this year will just be too overwhelming.. especially by Game 2. Our defense should shut their offense down, and our offense will slowly grind them to exhaustion. Tennessee 34 - 17 VT.
 
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utvolpj said:
You don't seem to understand the transitive property since memphis actually played temple. They did not play Alabama. National category rankings mean little without a comparable schedule yet you used that too

Stalk on kb, stalk on :eek:lol:
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smdh
 
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KBVol said:
and the fact that OleMiss beat Bama serves to buttress how quality a win it actually was by helping define how good OleMiss was....which was very good.
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You're still going with the transitive thing applying to CFB huh? Best of luck keeping that going :lol:
 
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Fuente is probably a pretty darn good coach. You can never really be sure in just one recruiting class cycle (queue Sumlin @ A&M), because anyone can strike gold with a lucky class, including the proverbial 2* QB that is actually revealed as a superstud after he gets to college.

But I agree Fuente is probably a pretty darn good coach. He'll prove it over the next 3-4 years at Va Tech.

p.s. TuskTime, in the Beamer era, VT is actually much better known for making hay on its excellent special teams play, rather than its defense. In the 16 years since they first played for a BCS national title, they've had great and mediocre defenses (actually a little worse off lately) and outrageous Vick-led offenses (weaker lately), but special teams has always been their strong suit. It's what Beamer was known for. Don't be scared of Bud Foster as a defensive mind; he's pretty good, but he's no Shoop.

p.p.s. Must gave credit where due: Bud Foster is (was, maybe not now) the special teams coach (with a lot of attention from head coach Frank Beamer), and deserves credit for his role in that.
 
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utvolpj said:
You're still going with the transitive thing applying to CFB huh? Best of luck keeping that going :lol:
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No. You said Memphis lost Temple as a way to discount Memphis' season. I pointed out a couple things...

1) Temple was a pretty good team with a strong defense and a couple of close losses to the #8 and #11 teams in the country...so the loss to Temple wasn't the disqualifying factor that you wanted it to be

2) Memphis beat #10 team in the country which further substantiates the idea that Fuente had a quality team at lowly Memphis which is a great feat in and of itself....the fact OleMiss beat #1 national champ Bama only strengthens that Memphis win over the Rebels.

3) if you want to continue to suggest that point number 2 doesn't matter in college football, I suggest you read about how strength of schedule is calculated. Of course, I'm sure you've never, nor would you ever, argue about which team(s) may have had a better season by pointing out who they played/beat in any given season. That'd just be some type of "ridiculous agenda" or something.
 
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VFL-82-JP said:
Fuente is probably a pretty darn good coach. You can never really be sure in just one recruiting class cycle (queue Sumlin @ A&M), because anyone can strike gold with a lucky class, including the proverbial 2* QB that is actually revealed as a superstud after he gets to college.

But I agree Fuente is probably a pretty darn good coach. He'll prove it over the next 3-4 years at Va Tech.

p.s. TuskTime, in the Beamer era, VT is actually much better known for making hay on its excellent special teams play, rather than its defense. In the 16 years since they first played for a BCS national title, they've had some pretty anemic defenses (stronger lately) and outrageous Vick-led offenses (weaker lately), but special teams has always been their strong suit. It's what Beamer was known for. Don't be scared of Bud Foster; he's pretty good, but he's no Shoop.
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You may need to google Bud Foster. Bama has seen him up close a couple of times in the Saban era. His defenses morph throughout the game. A great tactician and his players play out of their mind for this guy. Their D-backs are always strong and they are often playing man to man. Like Shoop, he's high risk, high reward.

Check out some of those schemes with his Ohio State game in Columbus. Given that Tennessee like to run the power spread, you should get to know the 4-2-5 that morph's to the 5 linemen set without them changing personnel. They ran their "bear" over 22 % of the time last season. It has served as a blueprint for defending dual-threat QBs out of the spread on first and second down.

By the way, it's the special teams for VaTech that has not lived up to historic proportions in the last part of the Beamer era.
 
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Fuente is a good coach, but he faces the same issues that CBJ had with needing to rebuild his roster. He'll have VT competitive in 2-3 years.
 
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