Does Butch Leave UT After '16 season?

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Lawrence Wright said:
Thank you for confirming there's multiple threads with multiple discussions about Butch Jones leaving UT for the NFL.
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Heh, there are multiple threads with multiple discussions about D4H and his personal qualities, too, and that doesn't mean anyone thinks it is a hugely important topic. Plenty of discussions in a variety of threads about whether Hurd should switch to TE and whether he runs fast enough in the open field, as well. D4H being a lightning rod, Hurd being fast, and Butch leaving the Vols for other places are just three of the many "background noise" topics that tend to come up from time to time here. :)

Thank you for joining in. :hi:
 
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Lawrence Wright said:
And least you're honest. :eek:lol:

Zook did less with more than Jones had.

Jones will have about as much as Zook did his final season at UF.

Time will tell.
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I don't know about that. I mean he inherited what should have been the Heisman Trophy winning quarterback and then brought in 5 star Chris Leak (still pissed about that btw). The cubbard was not bare when Zook arrived and he left it stocked for Urban. I get your argument, but I don't it entirely equates, we'll know by the end of the day on October 15. If we have more than one loss after that day Butch could be in trouble.
 
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RDU VOL#14 said:
I don't know about that. I mean he inherited what should have been the Heisman Trophy winning quarterback and then brought in 5 star Chris Leak (still pissed about that btw). The cubbard was not bare when Zook arrived and he left it stocked for Urban. I get your argument, but I don't it entirely equates, we'll know by the end of the day on October 15. If we have more than one loss after that day Butch could be in trouble.
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RDU, I think you're actually agreeing with Lawrence here. He said Zook did less with more...which is the equivalent of saying Butch has done more with less. Lawrence is saying, as you are, that Zook squandered good talent and showed little by way of on-field results for it.

I agree as well. Butch is much better than Zook. :good!:
 
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VFL-82-JP said:
RDU, I think you're actually agreeing with Lawrence here. He said Zook did less with more...which is the equivalent of saying Butch has done more with less. Lawrence is saying, as you are, that Zook squandered good talent and showed little by way of on-field results for it.

I agree as well. Butch is much better than Zook. :good!:
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Reading comprehension would be a good start for me. I misread what he wrote.
 
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VFL-82-JP said:
Heh, there are multiple threads with multiple discussions about D4H and his personal qualities, too, and that doesn't mean anyone thinks it is a hugely important topic. Plenty of discussions in a variety of threads about whether Hurd should switch to TE and whether he runs fast enough in the open field, as well. D4H being a lightning rod, Hurd being fast, and Butch leaving the Vols for other places are just three of the many "background noise" topics that tend to come up from time to time here. :)

Thank you for joining in. :hi:
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And thank you for validating my post once again. :hi:
 
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DeerPark12 said:
On the contrary, I love Butch and hope he's here for 20 years. But anyone who knows those close to Butch know that he's frustrated with the way some off the field things have been portrayed and have been handled above him. He is concerned that the lawsuit and the perception will continue to be an unwanted hassle for the next two years.

I'm not predicting that it WILL happen, I'm just saying I wouldn't be surprised at all to see it happen.
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My thinking as well. I've heard he isn't happy about the suit and maybe a good bit concerned. Do you think this correlates to the slower recruiting start this cycle DP?
 
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TNnative said:
Congratulations. With a single post consisting of only 5 sentences, you have made D4H suddenly seem like a reasonably intelligent and sane individual that no longer is the person I view here as the one most desperately in need of an enema.

Not one point you made is worthy of response. All who have or will read it is now dumber for it. I award you no points,...and may God have mercy on your soul.
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I appreciate a good Billy Madison reference. Thumbs up for you
 
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VFL-82-JP said:
I don't necessarily disagree with your underlying point, Lawrence, but your logic is flawed.

NFL coaching isn't college coaching "just bigger." It's a different job, with different skill sets.

The college coaches who make a great transition to the NFL tend to be the X&O wonks and the Big Idea guys. Mike Leach could probably do well in the NFL, if he'd ever wanted to go. Pete Carroll did well with the transition.

But motivators, recruiters, trainers...the Woody Hayes and Steve Spurrier types...they don't make a good NFL coach, no more than some NFL coaches would make it in the college ranks.

They're simply different jobs.

I don't believe Butch would do well in the pros. But not because he's somehow a lesser coach than Holtz or Kelly. Instead, it's because of who Butch is. He's a prototypical college coach, a motivator, leader, trainer and recruiter.
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Mike Leach and his Air Raid offense would be a disaster in the NFL.
 
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VKAman said:
Mike Leach and his Air Raid offense would be a disaster in the NFL.
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Not sure about that. I mean, you might very well be right, but all revolutionary developments in the NFL start out as crackpot ideas that won't work. And then they do.

If there's an evil genius X&Os kind of guy who could find a new wrinkle in the NFL, Leach is that kind of person. It may not look exactly like his college iteration of Air Raid, of course. But that's the whole point, he's enough of a tactical genius to figure out something.
 
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VFL-82-JP said:
Not sure about that. I mean, you might very well be right, but all revolutionary developments in the NFL start out as crackpot ideas that won't work. And then they do.

If there's an evil genius X&Os kind of guy who could find a new wrinkle in the NFL, Leach is that kind of person. It may not look exactly like his college iteration of Air Raid, of course. But that's the whole point, he's enough of a tactical genius to figure out something.
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Said "genius" has a grand total of one 10-win season and would have to run a system that doesn't remotely resemble the one he's built his career on. His closest comparison as an NFL coach would be Spurrier, except Leach's system is way more gimmicky and he's nowhere near as good a coach.
 
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Power T-Rev said:
I appreciate a good Billy Madison reference. Thumbs up for you
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Actually, the opening of this thread made Billy's speech on, "The Puppy Who Lost His Way" seem comparatively intelligent.

Like any coach who has worked his way up, and is now on the cusp of completing a major rebuild of a big time program is gonna walk away from it over a bunch of pansy ass horse crap. Knucking Futz.
 
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Rudy123 said:
I was listening to a local sports talk show on the radio here in Nashville during lunch. The sports announcer said "bUTch Jones" is merely a General Manager and he can build a coaching staff and a roster of great quality players, but he is not a coach"
He said that if you will look things when a time out is called, you will notice that bUtch will scream and yell and his face will turn red but the players are seldom paying attention to him and look the other way because even the players know he is not a good coach. Wow!!!!!
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A head coach is a manger of mangers. Just like managers of mangers in other occupations, he allows the managers to manage their folks. That is their job. That is why there is an offensive coordinator, a defensive coordinator, and position coaches. Yes I am sure he can override their decisions - but to do so would undermine the relationship between those coaches and those they coach. He has to trust those he surrounds himself with understand his vision for the team and support that.

A good head coach will surround himself with a staff that is capable of coaching the team - a staff he can rely on to not only coach the players in practice by make good game day decisions if their responsibility calls for that.

As for screaming - yes I have seem him get in the face of refs - but don't ever recall that happening with a player. Though I have seen coaches like Saban and Florida's coach do that.
 
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TNnative said:
Actually, the opening of this thread made Billy's speech on, "The Puppy Who Lost His Way" seem comparatively intelligent.

Like any coach who has worked his way up, and is now on the cusp of completing a major rebuild of a big time program is gonna walk away from it over a bunch of pansy ass horse crap. Knucking Futz.
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FWIW, Urban Meyer basically did that.

I'm mostly playing devil's advocate though. I agree that I don't think Butch is leaving, although my reasons are probably different than yours.
 
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VKAman said:
Said "genius" has a grand total of one 10-win season and would have to run a system that doesn't remotely resemble the one he's built his career on. His closest comparison as an NFL coach would be Spurrier, except Leach's system is way more gimmicky and he's nowhere near as good a coach.
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Yep, he was a complete loser. After a couple of 7-win seasons to start his time at Texas Tech, he only had 9, 8, 8, 9, 8, 9, 11, and 8 wins the following eight seasons. He totally sucks.

Now, I'll grant you that he's had far less success at Washington State. Guess he needs a vast natural local talent pool so he can focus on his play book.

But then, that's the point isn't it? He's not a natural college coach, where leadership and motivating and recruiting and training are the coin of the realm. He's an ideas guy. And they're better suited to the NFL.
 
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VFL-82-JP said:
Yep, he was a complete loser. After a couple of 7-win seasons to start his time at Texas Tech, he only had 9, 8, 8, 9, 8, 9, 11, and 8 wins the following eight seasons. He totally sucks.

Now, I'll grant you that he's had far less success at Washington State. Guess he needs a vast natural local talent pool so he can focus on his play book.

But then, that's the point isn't it? He's not a natural college coach, where leadership and motivating and recruiting and training are the coin of the realm. He's an ideas guy. And they're better suited to the NFL.
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Or maybe he's just not so well suited to being a HC as he is an OC?

I think Leach has an incredible football mind. But not all incredible football minds make great coaches.
 
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VolsRule said:
will butch consider the nfl with a $9-$10 million offer???
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The highest paid coaches in the NFL don't make that much. And there are NFL coaches who make less than Jones does now.

If Jones leaves for the league, it wouldn't be for a huge money jump. It would be because that's where he wants to be. Less work = more personal/family time. NFL also comes with a lower job security for the most part though. I, like many others, don't think it's a good fit him. Not my decision to make.
 
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VFL10 said:
If everything goes as planned and Tennessee explodes onto the scene this year, Butch Jones' stock will never be any higher. Does he look at other job offers? With the lawsuit on-going he may be tired of having his name ran through the mud for no reason. I think some schools would be willing to throw a large sum of money at him which will at least cause some great concern for us to start the offseason.

Could this be a reality next year?
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If he loses to Florida his ass should be gone
 
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volgrad500 said:
If he loses to Florida his ass should be gone
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I get it. His tenure at UT has led up to this season. I expected more last year, but his conservative nature created a bust. This year he better, for his own good, turn em loose and win em all. This team is capable of beating every team we play.

Straight to the moon Vols.
 
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Whats he going to do...leave for a million dollar raise to go somewhere there's more pressure than at UT?

Butch aint going anywhere. I cant believe I keep seeing these stupid threads.
 
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