2016 Election Thread Part Deux

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Hillary Clinton Holds Slim National Lead Over Donald Trump: Poll - NBC News

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hog88 said:
And what do you think those number would be with a Kasich or Rubio nominee? Me, I don't think they would be dramatically different.
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Dramatically different. At least an additional 10 points with Hispanics and they both had favorable numbers with woman. Kasich was +18 with woman, Rubio +40 Trump is -47 . With Hispanics Rubio was +34, Kasich was +5 and Trump is -29.
 
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carlos86 said:
Dramatically different. At least an additional 10 points with Hispanics and they both had favorable numbers with woman. Kasich was +18 with woman, Rubio +40, Trump is -47. Rubio was +34 with Hispanics, Kasich was +5 and Trump is -29.
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Hey senor, whats your favorite hiLIARy accomplishment?
 
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carlos86 said:
She doesn't have any. I'm not a fan of hers.
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I'm no fan, either.

For whatever reason, the miscreants here on this board cannot fathom that on the one hand you can be a non-supporter of hers, or actually even oppose her, but on the other hand be unwilling to put up with nonsensical or just outright bad arguments or claims from the GOP shriekers.

I don't want to vote for her. Right now I plan not to vote. That doesn't mean I'm going to let the usual right wing tripe that passes as objective fact or commentary just slide by without pointing out their falsehoods and their kindergarten logic.
 
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lawgator1 said:
I'm no fan, either.

For whatever reason, the miscreants here on this board cannot fathom that on the one hand you can be a non-supporter of hers, or actually even oppose her, but on the other hand be unwilling to put up with nonsensical or just outright bad arguments or claims from the GOP shriekers.

I don't want to vote for her. Right now I plan not to vote. That doesn't mean I'm going to let the usual right wing tripe that passes as objective fact or commentary just slide by without pointing out their falsehoods and their kindergarten logic.
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Your reputation on Volnation as a staunch, unbiased defender of the truth remains untarnished. You're a rock and as courageous as Obama, if not more so.

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lawgator1 said:
I'm no fan, either.

For whatever reason, the miscreants here on this board cannot fathom that on the one hand you can be a non-supporter of hers, or actually even oppose her, but on the other hand be unwilling to put up with nonsensical or just outright bad arguments or claims from the GOP shriekers.

I don't want to vote for her. Right now I plan not to vote. That doesn't mean I'm going to let the usual right wing tripe that passes as objective fact or commentary just slide by without pointing out their falsehoods and their kindergarten logic.
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I despise both of them, and I will only be voting a "write-in" this presidential cycle. That being said, Bill Maher, who I think has been a Bernie-sympathizer this entire time (though he's never quite said for certain), made an excellent point this past Friday on his show: Hillary may be awful, but at least she's awful within our normal parameters of awfulness.

I agree. If it has to be one of these two losers, then I prefer her, as you can at least make some sense of her. Donald Trump, on the other hand, I have no freaking clue what that man is going to do. He's like the Joker became a serious candidate for Gotham's Police Commissioner position. He's just a freaking lunatic, as far as I'm concerned, judging from his comments. I don't think he's actually a lunatic, but I just have no way to sort out where he is serious from where he isn't. Like Maher said, you just can't take a man serious who claims he "knows more about taxes than anyone in history ever." That's behavior just so unbecoming of a man, I'd much prefer to vote for the screeching woman, in a battle of losers, quite frankly.

Again, I will not vote for either, and, if my advice was worth anything, I would advise everyone on here to refuse to vote this election, unless they are voting for a practical third party candidate. This cycle has been about blaming the establishment, but, as it turns out, the "voice of the people" sucks even more - it either votes in the worst of the establishment or it votes in an authoritarian numbskull. The people are idiots. We need a third option - not establishment, and not the people. If more of us would refuse to vote, instead of settling for "the lesser evil," maybe the major parties would finally start to give us better alternatives.
 
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carlos86 said:
Dramatically different. At least an additional 10 points with Hispanics and they both had favorable numbers with woman. Kasich was +18 with woman, Rubio +40 Trump is -47 . With Hispanics Rubio was +34, Kasich was +5 and Trump is -29.
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You mean Mexican and other Central/South Americans. If I was a Rican or Cuban I'd be pissed that I'm constantly lumped in with the others.

If JC Watts or C Powell were the nominee blacks wouldn't vote Republican in any significant numbers so why worry with them. Hell, Trump has done more for black people than Obama or Hillary combined, he's certainly employed more than either of them.

White women will get sick of listening to Hillary so watch her support in that demographic decline. Women aren't stupid and the educated professional women I know and deal with are disgusted by Hillary.
 
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lawgator1 said:
I hope they know what they're doing. I'm torn on it, myself, but worry this is some short-sighted pandering, by both sides of the aisle.
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When have our politicians ever had a clue what they're doing? Personally I'm ready for the US to wash their hands of the entire middle east and let Europe handle it.
 
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lawgator1 said:
I'm no fan, either.

For whatever reason, the miscreants here on this board cannot fathom that on the one hand you can be a non-supporter of hers, or actually even oppose her, but on the other hand be unwilling to put up with nonsensical or just outright bad arguments or claims from the GOP shriekers.

I don't want to vote for her. Right now I plan not to vote. That doesn't mean I'm going to let the usual right wing tripe that passes as objective fact or commentary just slide by without pointing out their falsehoods and their kindergarten logic.
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Bull****. You will vote for her.
 
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hog88 said:
You mean Mexican and other Central/South Americans. If I was a Rican or Cuban I'd be pissed that I'm constantly lumped in with the others.

If JC Watts or C Powell were the nominee blacks wouldn't vote Republican in any significant numbers so why worry with them. Hell, Trump has done more for black people than Obama or Hillary combined, he's certainly employed more than either of them.

White women will get sick of listening to Hillary so watch her support in that demographic decline. Women aren't stupid and the educated professional women I know and deal with are disgusted by Hillary.
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The term Hispanic: Refer to "a person of Cuban, Mexican, Puerto Rican, South or Central American, or other Spanish culture or origin regardless of race"



Net favorable rating, women:

Donald Trump -47

Hillary Clinton -3

[These voters are] part of what you might call Clinton’s coalition of the unwilling. They are the independent and moderate Republican women who don’t like Clinton – some even despise her – but are so repulsed by Trump that they are already preparing to vote for the Democrat they anticipate will be on the ballot in November if that’s what it takes to keep him out of office. Either that, or sit out the election altogether. This loose coalition is large and growing. More Republican women view Trump more negatively than positively, according to Gallup. And in a hypothetical matchup with Clinton, a Washington Post/ABC News poll found this month that Trump loses the women’s vote by 21 points.
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A new Gallup poll shows that only 12 percent of U.S. Hispanics have a favorable opinion of Trump, while 77 percent have an unfavorable view of him. By comparison, 59 percent of Hispanics have a favorable view of Democratic hopeful Hillary Clinton.
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It is only fitting that we follow a black president with a leader for the skinheads and neo-nazis.
I sometimes wonder if this will still be the US of A when we have run out of people to hate.
Equal opportunity and justice for all. Everyone at sometime deserves to be hated or deprived of freedoms.
That's just a Merica.
 
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calban said:
It is only fitting that we follow a black president with a leader for the skinheads and neo-nazis.
I sometimes wonder if this will still be the US of A when we have run out of people to hate.
Equal opportunity and justice for all. Everyone at sometime deserves to be hated or deprived of freedoms.
That's just a Merica.
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Do not confuse a country that seeks true diversity with those fake countries in Europe.

Anyone and their brother can deal with a few token minorities on the streets of the local shopping district. It takes a true democracy to make 10,000,000 sq km and 325 million to work.

They're no longer reproducing, so their leaders are letting in an untenable number of refugees. This will not work. Europe is killing itself. Whether it be its refusal to create newborn children or its inability to stifle an endless flow of refugees that are too culturally different, Europe will soon come to an end, at least as we have known it.

Say what you will, but America is robust. We're a society that is set up to deal with these kinds of things, no matter how imperfect.

You're going to live, whether you like it or not, and you're going to watch Europe burn, from the comfort of 3,750 nautical miles.
 
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Now I'm reading that the far right shriek machine is implying that Bill is a pedophile.

It's 6 months to the election. I never thought it would get this bad.
 
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