Does butch want Peyton?

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VFL-82-JP said:
Would love to have gotten a link to a direct quote. Hard to tell what Butch really said, as well as the context of the question, from the comments given. And yep, 420, you are suspect as a reporter on anything concerning Butch, given your badly biased past concerning him.

Here are some facts that might help provide a bit of context:

1. Coaching is, in fact, different from playing. Coaching at the college level is something like 35% recruiting HS kids, 45% development and training (of others, not yourself...that's key), 10% scheming (developing the playbook), and only the final 10% play calling on Saturdays. And that's if you're the OC or DC; the last two #s are even smaller if you're not.

2. The good news is, Peyton has some (not huge amounts, but some) experience at development and training, having joined his dad and brothers running their passing academy each spring/summer. He probably has a pretty good feel of his strengths and weaknesses in this area.

3. Peyton is really good with the Xs and Os. I don't know if he can scheme around QBs and other players who are significantly different than anything he knew in his playing career, but he's a bright guy and could probably pick it up fairly quickly. And he's excellent at scouting an opponent's defense, prepping for it, and making in-game adjustments.

4. That leaves recruiting as the (big, significant) unknown. Peyton's a good people person. He'd probably be great at it. But would he enjoy it? Because that makes a difference. If you hate what you're doing, recruits can tell.

And then, there are the intangibles. For instance, how well would Peyton do as a cog in a bigger machine. Not the guy in charge, not even the guy spending all his time sharing ideas with the guy in charge, just one of 11 guys on the coaching unit. If he were to become QB coach, he'd be less in the middle of things than at any point in his adult life. Similarly, how would Peyton do with 120-hour weeks? Yes, he is renowned for working hard as a player, spending tons of time in the film room after practices. But the work week of a pro player is still not nearly as grindy as that of a college coach, even with all the film study. Would Peyton, a devoted father and husband, be willing to give all that time up?

So I can potentially get what Butch is saying, depending on the context that is missing.
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I think he would love recruiting for the university he went to school at and the university he mentions at every corner and every opportunity he gets! Not to mention, IMO he would make an amazing QB coach! Like you said, his work ethic & in game adjustments is unrivaled and he loves football. It all just makes sense. I also believe we would get any QB we wanted, with him as our QB coach.
 
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TennMan101 said:
I think he would love recruiting for the university he went to school at and the university he mentions at every corner and every opportunity he gets! Not to mention, IMO he would make an amazing QB coach! Like you said, his work ethic & in game adjustments is unrivaled and he loves football. It all just makes sense. I also believe we would get any QB we wanted, with him as our QB coach.
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I think like you, that he would love recruiting...initially. For the 'nobility of the purpose,' if no other reason.

But would he continue to like it after 5 trips? after 20? 50?

There comes a time when the nobility of the enterprise becomes background noise and you discover whether you love/enjoy/tolerate the activity itself...or not.

If Peyton discovers after a while that recruiting is not his passion, that will become harder and harder to hide from recruits.

And truth is, we just don't know. Even Peyton won't know until/unless he does it for a while.

That's one part of why Butch said, coaching is a whole 'nother thing from playing.
 
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chattavol420 said:
Here's another article...


https://www.yahoo.com/sports/news/butch-jones-neatly-sidesteps-rumors-231000644.html
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Yah, now that writer is definitely trying too hard to make something of very little.

There are two little dots out there on a white sheet of paper.

One dot is Peyton answering a question from Dan Patrick, in which he all but said no to coaching, though he left the door cracked just a smidgen by saying he'd consider a position coach (QB coach) gig.

The second dot is some reporter most of us never heard of saying that he heard from people (not Peyton, other people) that Peyton would definitely like to coach.

And this writer turns those two little dots into, "Rumors have been swirling for several weeks...."

That is, like, the poster child for trying too hard as a writer.
 
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Peyton Manning has been the coach on the field for the past 20 years he's played football. Butch is all coach speak always is. I don't think Manning is coming, atleast not right now, but Butch knows the immediate impact for recruiting, coaching, and winning Manning would bring. No way he wouldn't hire him. It's all coach speak.
 
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It seems preposterous that he would want to come back and be a position coach, but going off the rumor that he's interested, there's no way you couldn't consider it.
 
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Giveem6 said:
Peyton Manning has been the coach on the field for the past 20 years he's played football. Butch is all coach speak always is. I don't think Manning is coming, atleast not right now, but Butch knows the immediate impact for recruiting, coaching, and winning Manning would bring. No way he wouldn't hire him. It's all coach speak.
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Where did you read that he wouldn't hire him?
 
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As I understand it, we are limited to the number of coaches we are allowed. If this is correct, won't we need to fire a current coach, if we hire PM? The statement made by CBJ regarding PM, seems a little self serving, maybe he's [CBJ] worried about being upstaged. Nonetheless, as far as I'm concerned the firing (contract buy-out) of ANY coach we currently have, and replacing him with PM would be a great day in Tennessee.
 
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82_VOL_83 said:
Chat, I read your link. There is absolutely nothing in that link that would lead me to your conclusions. There is a big difference in hanging out with the team and giving pointers and the responsibility of coaching. That is ALL he said.

People, stop getting your hopes and dreams up around Peyton coaching. It isn't going to happen anytime soon.
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Of course it's not going to happen any time soon!
 
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MannyD said:
I would bet my retirement savings that several college programs would hire Peyton as oc with zero experience. Probably not top tier programs (but it wouldn't shock me if it happened), but some would. What's the risk? You still lose eight games a year, like you were doing before the hire. You now sell out games, ESPN picks up your games, and you've found a way to be relevant without actually being good at football. Tons of programs would kill to have that situation. And who knows, Peyton might actually have picked up some skills during his football and entrepreneurial career that will help him actually be a good coach.

People act like being a college coach is something Peyton would have to plod away at before achieving success. Give me a break. If you understand the game like Peyton does, you communicate and build relationships like Peyton does, you're ultra organized and have a Jedi business mind like Peyton does, I think you can put it together and coach a freakin football team. Think about all the complete nit wit coaches that have won games. You're a CEO, nothing more, nothing less. Know your stuff, build a staff, and lead. That's it.
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So, why didn't these programs throw the offers, at Montana, Farve, Marino, et al.
 
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If John Harbaugh can do it, better believe your ass Peyton can.

Now I don't think he will, but to say he couldn't is ridiculous
 
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Spawn said:
If John Harbaugh can do it, better believe your ass Peyton can.

Now I don't think he will, but to say he couldn't is ridiculous
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Believe you are thinking about Jim not John,and he served as an assistant for 10 yrs before he became head coach at San Diego.

This is to others point, coaching is not playing. JH had to hone his skills for 10 years before he got his head coaching start at a mid-major.
 
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Here's what's most likely to happen: Peyton will be around campus quite a bit this fall; spending quality time with players and assistant coaches alike. Not under contact with the university, he'll be free to conduct his camps, etc. with high school youngsters whenever and wherever he wants. He'll do pretty much what he wants when he decides to do it, which wouldn't be allowable by NCAA standards if he were on UT's staff in any capacity. A good example is Marcus Lattimore's not signing on with the game chickens as a coaching assistant (just a few weeks ago). Doing so would've required him to give up his programs and camps that help youngsters state-wide. The NCAA and SEC view this as an extreme conflict of interest recruiting-wise, so Mr. Lattimore will prudently show up from time to time to give solace to Will Muschamp's latest train wreck. I'd be delighted if PM were to become a member of the Vols' staff...particularly in some coaching capacity, but I'd be surprised if such a move occurred this or next year. After that? Don't know.
 
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ksgovols said:
This is all so "Gruden is a lock" like.

I hate our fanbase sometimes.....We click bait way more than we should.

Those of you that are students, please put your Volnation username at the top of your resume'....
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Omg Im half awake and pissed myself, so true though
 
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Nasavol said:
Believe you are thinking about Jim not John,and he served as an assistant for 10 yrs before he became head coach at San Diego.

This is to others point, coaching is not playing. JH had to hone his skills for 10 years before he got his head coaching start at a mid-major.
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Jim Harbaugh was also a Quarterback in the NFL...If I recall correctly he was with the Bears because he's the second worst QB in Tecmo Super Bowl.


So, with that said
You're saying there's a chance? :crazy:
 
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