Florida streak (split)

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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Clemson and Florida State are defacto SEC teams. What makes the SEC special isn't the conference its the recruiting footprint. Clemson and Florida State both recruit as well as the best SEC schools from the same footprint so their success isn't a surprise. Same can be said the Ohio State eventhough they are not in the south.

However, you can't say that for anyone else in the ACC or the Big 10 (except Michigan is Harbaugh continues the rebuild).

Big 12 and Pac 12 are all around crappy right now. Texas and USC aren't what they used to be. And Oklahoma looks elite only because of the weak competition.
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Didn't Oklahoma lay the pipe on Alabama a few years ago? Seems to me they can play with anyone in the country, and have proven it for quite some time. OU just isn't some slouch. Still have to beat the teams on your schedule, regardless.
 
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Persian Vol said:
For some reason, Florida fans think their defense will be better this year than last year. I don't see how you can lose Hargreaves, Morrison, Mccallister, Bullard, and Neal and get "better".
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I missed where any UF poster on VN said our defense will be better than last year.

I also reserve the right to be 100% wrong about that first sentence if presented with the proper evidence.
 
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Lawrence Wright said:
I missed where any UF poster on VN said our defense will be better than last year.

I also reserve the right to be 100% wrong about that first sentence if presented with the proper evidence.
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I noticed it while lurking the gator boards.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Clemson and Florida State are defacto SEC teams. What makes the SEC special isn't the conference its the recruiting footprint. Clemson and Florida State both recruit as well as the best SEC schools from the same footprint so their success isn't a surprise. Same can be said the Ohio State eventhough they are not in the south.

However, you can't say that for anyone else in the ACC or the Big 10 (except Michigan is Harbaugh continues the rebuild).

Big 12 and Pac 12 are all around crappy right now. Texas and USC aren't what they used to be. And Oklahoma looks elite only because of the weak competition.
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The more you post, the more I realize you have no idea what you're talking about
 
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08Vol said:
With UF weak at LB their safeties will have to be heavily invested in the run game. I see P Will going off on them in the 2nd half after Hurd & Kamara have softened them up
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Good thing our CBs don't need much help over the top. Ask Treadwell how physical Tabor and Wilson are.

We aren't weak at LB. Davis is top 2 in SEC if not the best. Kid is getting 1sr round grades. Have two capable WLB if healthy and the two FR had strong spring's. UF plays nickel the majority of the time so baring injury a 5 man rotation at LB is plenty.
 
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VOL 4 Life 83 said:
Didn't Oklahoma lay the pipe on Alabama a few years ago? Seems to me they can play with anyone in the country, and have proven it for quite some time. OU just isn't some slouch. Still have to beat the teams on your schedule, regardless.
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Somehow, some way, Oklahoma just owns bammer. Don't know what it is, but they just can't do squat against OU. They kicked bammer's @ss in 2002 and 2003, which of course, was no surprise because bammer was way down back then. But, they sure weren't down in 2013, and OU still beat them like a rented mule.
 
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Lawrence Wright said:
I missed where any UF poster on VN said our defense will be better than last year.

I also reserve the right to be 100% wrong about that first sentence if presented with the proper evidence.
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IMO the pass defense and sack numbers will be better this season. Addition by subtraction.
 
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HialeahGator said:
IMO the pass defense and sack numbers will be better this season. Addition by subtraction.
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There are no elite passing QBs on our schedule. I'm more worried about our run defense against teams like UT, Arkansas, UGA and LSU.

Davis is one of the SEC's best LBs, but Anzalone's shoulder is made of balsa wood, and there's very little depth.
 
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Lawrence Wright said:
There are no elite passing QBs on our schedule. I'm more worried about our run defense against teams like UT, Arkansas, UGA and LSU.

Davis is one of the SEC's best LBs, but Anzalone's shoulder is made of balsa wood, and there's very little depth.
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There's depth. Just green. I feel Davis, Johnson, AA (if healthy), Reese and Rolin are going to be solid vs the run. Brantley, Ivie and Clark are space eaters that will command doubles inside. LB just need to make the tackles. Missed tackles were a major issue last year.
 
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VOL 4 Life 83 said:
Didn't Oklahoma lay the pipe on Alabama a few years ago? Seems to me they can play with anyone in the country, and have proven it for quite some time. OU just isn't some slouch. Still have to beat the teams on your schedule, regardless.
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Alabama doesn't take games not relevant to the national title race seriously. They also got beat by Utah a few years back. Remember that?
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
You can go ahead and believe what you want. But I doubt sugar bowls are that big a deal to a team coming off back to back national titles.
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You can say whatever you want, now way in he$$ Saban doesn't get his boys up to beat Bob Stoops crying a$$. Not to mention recruiting, extra pay, etc. You just have some ridiculous viewpoints.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
You can go ahead and believe what you want. But I doubt sugar bowls are that big a deal to a team coming off back to back national titles.
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Your kinda selling the players short with that statement. Every high level athlete I have ever met wants to win.
 
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VOL 4 Life 83 said:
Oh, so now you're spinning it that they don't take games seriously. Whatever dude. Always fits your agenda.
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No, he's probably right in this case. In 08, the SEC CG was a de facto semi-final game. UF won, the air was out of the balloon.

Same thing in '13. Bama pi$$ed away the AU game which was a de facto semi-final game.
 
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Boca Vol said:
No, he's probably right in this case. In 08, the SEC CG was a de facto semi-final game. UF won, the air was out of the balloon.

Same thing in '13. Bama pi$$ed away the AU game which was a de facto semi-final game.
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You guys can say whatever you want, no football player I've ever known wants to lose, regardless of the game.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Or it could be the fact Florida has had 15 players drafted the last 2 years while we've had ZERO.

Its kind of hard to say we're the better team if Florida has way more players getting drafted each year.
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South Carolina has had plenty more players drafted than us over the past 3 years but we got a 3 win streak on them
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Clemson and Florida State are defacto SEC teams. What makes the SEC special isn't the conference its the recruiting footprint. Clemson and Florida State both recruit as well as the best SEC schools from the same footprint so their success isn't a surprise. Same can be said the Ohio State eventhough they are not in the south.

However, you can't say that for anyone else in the ACC or the Big 10 (except Michigan is Harbaugh continues the rebuild).

Big 12 and Pac 12 are all around crappy right now. Texas and USC aren't what they used to be. And Oklahoma looks elite only because of the weak competition.
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I get a strong feeling that this Vol fan has a an FSU national championship shirt in his rotation.
 
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LordBolton said:
Well said, I didn't include that but should have. I still think the weak playcalling was the larger factor in that loss and the OU loss. Bama just was the better team that enforced their will in the end, and the Arky loss mystifies me. I guess we'll find out soon enough, our players should be improved and the axe fell on the coach making the conservative calls.
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The Arky loss was a beat down team that was just "like wtf".
 
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HialeahGator said:
You have no idea if they aren't as talented. Sure some weren't as highly ranked as some others but Bryan Cox was a mid 3*. He's a top 15 DL in SEC.

Coaches coach up lesser ranked guys every year. Tell me how many of DL taken in this year's draft were 5* or high 4*?

Your logic is somewhat flawed if you're using recruiting as the base. Case in point is your 3 year DL post. UT ranked better than UF but some how Vols were behind UF in total D and rushing Defense.

Can't have it both ways.

As for depth heading into 2017, UF is loaded at DE. DT is a concern and will need to be addressed this cycle with a couple of Jucos.
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You sound like a Tennessee fan during the Dooley years. "Coaches need to coach em up!", and the classic "Diamond in the rough" argument. A higher PERCENTAGE of 4 and 5 star players get drafted than 3 and 2 stars. That is a fact. It is also a fact that 4 and 5 star players generally have better measurables than 2 and 3 star players and therefore have the raw talent needed to succeed early and often. It's no coincidence either that every team that has won the national title since the BCS era started has at least two top ten classes stacked in their roster.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
You can go ahead and believe what you want. But I doubt sugar bowls are that big a deal to a team coming off back to back national titles.
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I've heard this argument a million times from Bama fans. And if it's true, then Saban has no place among the great coaches. I don't care how many titles you have, you better be able to get your team ready for EVERY game.

I personally think it's bunk. Oklahoma had time to prepare and noticed Bama didn't like to play at a fast pace. The A&M and Auburn games laid that out. So they played even faster than that. Bama was shellshocked. Immediately after that Saban wanted the rules about pace of play changed.
 
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