Florida streak (split)

[VonVol]

D4H likes to completely leave out the human element in sports. It's an XBOX way of thinking. Last year when Maggitt went down he tried to argue me down saying Austin Smith would be just as productive because a coach had mentioned once he is a future NFL player.

He wasn't factoring how much time Maggitt had spent in the program, the players we face that Maggitt knew all about already. And lastly, the fact we weren't losing a Colton Jumper, but a player who had 11 sacks the previous season. I've not really taken anything he has said very seriously since.

And my definition of a "weak pathetic fan" is one that bails on the team he follows when they are struggling. Just saying.

 

[82_VOL_83]

Based on that, you should have no reason to believe Tennessee beats Florida this season....no problem.

I added up the rivals rankings from 2013-2016. All of tennessee's rankings add up to 46 for an average rank of 11.5.

During the same time Florida's rankings add up to 50 for an average rank of 12.5.

Basically, based on these numbers, you are splitting hairs.

So, why (if one is looking at numbers) is Tennessee going to win big, no problem?

Wouldn't one conclude that it would be a hard, close fought game that would go right down to the wire?

Oh no, per D4H we suck again!

 

[VOL 4 Life 83]

D4H likes to completely leave out the human element in sports. It's an XBOX way of thinking. Last year when Maggitt went down he tried to argue me down saying Austin Smith would be just as productive because a coach had mentioned once he is a future NFL player.

He wasn't factoring how much time Maggitt had spent in the program, the players we face that Maggitt knew all about already. And lastly, the fact we weren't losing a Colton Jumper, but a player who had 11 sacks the previous season. I've not really taken anything he has said very seriously since.

And my definition of a "weak pathetic fan" is one that bails on the team he follows when they are struggling. Just saying.

Ain't that the truth...

 

[82_VOL_83]

You win the thread!:good!:

I second that.

 

[82_VOL_83]

I think it's an illness. Battered Vol Syndrome, acting like we should roll out the orange carpet for a clown gator. For the record that goes for the Bammers and Dogs too.

Where I come from(TENNESSEE) you don't pick an outsider over family, you just don't do it. It's being a traitor to your family, over a dog gone discussion board have some dignity.

Jump higher Vols.

He's more respected than you are too as far as that goes.

 

[photovol]

Every Vol player knows that they must now, "man up" if they are going to finally end the Gators winning streak.....it's about time, don't you think?
Go Vols

 

[Boca Vol]

While I see this as a logical, solid, factual and generally spot on post, be prepared for guys calling you a ouija board totin', tarot card dealing, black magic practicing witch doctor for daring to suggest that Tennessee in any which way, form or fashion has a 'mental block' when it comes to finishing off and winning a game vs Florida.

Thanks for the heads-up. But I've been around here long enough to know this fan-base is about as stable as uranium. Nothing surprises me.

D4H basically takes daj's p.o.v. (which a lot of posters accept) and gets ripped for it....for being D4H.

When UT becomes as mentally tough as they are talented they will win. I think that's the component that's been missing. No, it's not all on Dools. This crap goes back to the Fulmer days.

There are teams that expect to win and teams that hope to win.

 

[jakez4ut]

They scored 38 on ole miss with Will Grier. They were good. 7 players drafted.

Stop disrespecting them. With how much talent they've put in the league the last 2 years, I consider those 2 one-point losses impressive now. We definitely overachieved.

classic case of the costanza theory..."it's not a lie, if YOU believe it".

Then include it for some teams but not others. All I'm saying is teams like Ohio State, Ole Miss, Notre Dame, and even Florida that had top 5-top 10 classes lost a lot of their most highly rated 2013 signees to the draft. Guys that made those classes top 5 or 10 to begin with. Without the Big 3, is Ole Miss 2013 class really that impressive? Or how about Florida without Hargreaves, Taylor, Neal, and Robinson?

It just seems to be an inaccurate barometer of team strength to include the 2013 class for like half the teams that landed top 10 classes since the guys that made those classes top 10 Are in the league.

basically, choose whatever makes your agenda look better.:thumbsup:

Thanks for the heads-up. But I've been around here long enough to know this fan-base is about as stable as uranium. Nothing surprises me.

D4H basically takes daj's p.o.v. (which a lot of posters accept) and gets ripped for it....for being D4H.

When UT becomes as mentally tough as they are talented they will win. I think that's the component that's been missing. No, it's not all on Dools. This crap goes back to the Fulmer days.

There are teams that expect to win and teams that hope to win.

and that's all i'm sayin'. agree 100%.

 

[LordBolton]

Your thoughts about coaching mistakes is only half the story. The players have blame on the loss. The coaches cannot coach and execute at the same time. If the players had made a few more plays, then this conversation would be completely different.

Football is a team sport that takes coaches and players. Both are responsible for wins as well as losses.

Well said, I didn't include that but should have. I still think the weak playcalling was the larger factor in that loss and the OU loss. Bama just was the better team that enforced their will in the end, and the Arky loss mystifies me. I guess we'll find out soon enough, our players should be improved and the axe fell on the coach making the conservative calls.

 

[MustafaRasta]

While I see this as a logical, solid, factual and generally spot on post, be prepared for guys calling you a ouija board totin', tarot card dealing, black magic practicing witch doctor for daring to suggest that Tennessee in any which way, form or fashion has a 'mental block' when it comes to finishing off and winning a game vs Florida.

you left out psychosis and hang ups :hi:

 

[fossilfiction]

No. You think our guys are getting psyched out. If they only were mentally stronger they would win. I'm telling you that has zero effect.

Florida just has enough respect for us still that they try hard every time we play them.

They haven't reached the point of sleepwalking against us like they do Vandy.

Tell that to Florida. McElwain said it after they beat us.
"Deep down, You just don't lose to Tennesee."
Pretty much what we say about Vanderbilt and Kentucky. The only way to flip is that is pull out a couple of wins and by couple I mean 3 or 4.

 

[KBVol]

you left out psychosis and hang ups :hi:

Yeah, thanks for the reminder....almost forgot. Meds affecting my memory 😁

Now, if you'll excuse me I'm off to market for some chicken bones, sandalwood oil and the feathers of a raven last seen flying east.

 

[Persian Vol]

For some reason, Florida fans think their defense will be better this year than last year. I don't see how you can lose Hargreaves, Morrison, Mccallister, Bullard, and Neal and get "better".

 

[KBVol]

For some reason, Florida fans think their defense will be better this year than last year. I don't see how you can lose Hargreaves, Morrison, Mccallister, Bullard, and Neal and get "better".

Good point and I hope you're right. But they lose great players every year and their defense never really seems to fall off.

Iirc, some of the Florida posters have said they feel really good about their returning DBs, DTs and DEs....it's their LB corps that they're a little concerned about. That being said, they could run a 5th year former team manager walkon out there at linebacker this year and he'd probably rack up 20 solos, a pick and a forced fumble or two on his way to national defensive player of the week honors against us.

 

[Persian Vol]

Good point and I hope you're right. But they lose great players every year and their defense never really seems to fall off.

Iirc, some of the Florida posters have said they feel really good about their returning DBs, DTs and DEs....it's their LB corps that they're a little concerned about. That being said, they could run a 5th year former team manager walkon out there at linebacker this year and he'd probably rack up 20 solos, a pick and a forced fumble or two on his way to national defensive player of the week honors against us.

It seemed that way because they have had top recruiting classes for a while. For what it's worth, CJM inherited a goldmine. But I feel that their top 5 classes will be a way of the past. Let's go over Florida's past recruiting classes.... As well as Tennessee's.

Tennessee

2012: 20
2013: 24
2014: 7
2015: 4
2016: 14

Florida
2012: 4
2013: 3
2014: 9
2015: 21
2016: 13

Last year, our senior and junior class 2012/2013 not only was poorly talented to begin with, but had a lot of attrition as well. Florida's senior and junior class had the make up of national title contenders. Yet we almost beat them despite relying on our talented but inexperienced freshmen and sophomore 2014/2015 class.

Their 4 ranked class will mostly be gone, and much of their 3 ranked class has left early for the NFL. Florida had the talent to compete for national championships and they blew it. Florida will probably have a more competent quarterback, but their elite defense will show some decline this year.

Nontheless, they are still a talented team, and with a competent quarterback they should be a top 15-20 team.

 

[Boca Vol]

Yeah, thanks for the reminder....almost forgot. Meds affecting my memory 😁

Now, if you'll excuse me I'm off to market for some chicken bones, sandalwood oil and the feathers of a raven last seen flying east.

I just picked up some dream catchers as well.

 

[KBVol]

It seemed that way because they have had top recruiting classes for a while. For what it's worth, CJM inherited a goldmine. But I feel that their top 5 classes will be a way of the past. Let's go over Florida's past recruiting classes.... As well as Tennessee's.

Tennessee

2012: 20
2013: 24
2014: 7
2015: 4
2016: 14

Florida
2012: 4
2013: 3
2014: 9
2015: 21
2016: 13

Last year, our senior and junior class 2012/2013 not only was poorly talented to begin with, but had a lot of attrition as well. Florida's senior and junior class had the make up of national title contenders. Yet we almost beat them despite relying on our talented but inexperienced freshmen and sophomore 2014/2015 class.

Their 4 ranked class will mostly be gone, and much of their 3 ranked class has left early for the NFL. Florida had the talent to compete for national championships and they blew it. Florida will probably have a more competent quarterback, but their elite defense will show some decline this year.

Nontheless, they are still a talented team, and with a competent quarterback they should be a top 15-20 team.

Like and appreciate the research. Let's hope we see a decline and that Tennessee will actually take advantage of it if it does.

 

[Jezebel Rollo]

The difference in frustration for me personally between Florida and Bama is that Bama has been consistently good beating good teams and competing for championships during much of the past few seasons. Florida on the other hand has beaten us and then collapsed as the season has progressed. Florida is more beatable more consistently than Bama right now

Exactly. 2013 comes to mind. Right after we lost to Florida in Gainsville, their season just died. Granted, we were pretty bad in 2013 too. After all, it was CBJ's first year and he had inheritied the disaster left by fooley. But, even still we were nowhere near as bad as Florida. They finished 4-8, which turned out the be their worst season in over 40 years and something like their 3rd worst season in program history. The truth is, we should have split with them over these last 11 years. We could have/should have beaten them in 2005, 2006, 2013, 2014, and 2015.

 

[norrislakevol]

Good point and I hope you're right. But they lose great players every year and their defense never really seems to fall off.

Iirc, some of the Florida posters have said they feel really good about their returning DBs, DTs and DEs....it's their LB corps that they're a little concerned about. That being said, they could run a 5th year former team manager walkon out there at linebacker this year and he'd probably rack up 20 solos, a pick and a forced fumble or two on his way to national defensive player of the week honors against us.

See one of my earlier posts in this thread. The Gators have done a very poor job of recruiting along the DL over the last couple of years. There depth isn't nearly what it once was, and they gave up some big rushing totals last year. The guys that are replacing those that left are not as talented, so it would take a miracle for them to be as good as they were even last year.

 

[08Vol]

That damned ACC team beat the brakes off the Big 12 team (Oklahoma) 37-17 that came into Neyland and beat us. That same damned ACC team barely lost to the best team (Bama) in the SEC the last 6-7 years, 45-40, while rolling up over 500 yards of offense. What's exactly the "big" difference?

And the #3 team in the ACC lost to SCAR. That conference is top heavy when Miami and VA Tech are down

 

[HialeahGator]

See one of my earlier posts in this thread. The Gators have done a very poor job of recruiting along the DL over the last couple of years. There depth isn't nearly what it once was, and they gave up some big rushing totals last year. The guys that are replacing those that left are not as talented, so it would take a miracle for them to be as good as they were even last year.

You have no idea if they aren't as talented. Sure some weren't as highly ranked as some others but Bryan Cox was a mid 3*. He's a top 15 DL in SEC.

Coaches coach up lesser ranked guys every year. Tell me how many of DL taken in this year's draft were 5* or high 4*?

Your logic is somewhat flawed if you're using recruiting as the base. Case in point is your 3 year DL post. UT ranked better than UF but some how Vols were behind UF in total D and rushing Defense.

Can't have it both ways.

As for depth heading into 2017, UF is loaded at DE. DT is a concern and will need to be addressed this cycle with a couple of Jucos.

 

[08Vol]

Good point and I hope you're right. But they lose great players every year and their defense never really seems to fall off.

Iirc, some of the Florida posters have said they feel really good about their returning DBs, DTs and DEs....it's their LB corps that they're a little concerned about. That being said, they could run a 5th year former team manager walkon out there at linebacker this year and he'd probably rack up 20 solos, a pick and a forced fumble or two on his way to national defensive player of the week honors against us.

With UF weak at LB their safeties will have to be heavily invested in the run game. I see P Will going off on them in the 2nd half after Hurd & Kamara have softened them up

 

[KBVol]

And the #3 team in the ACC lost to SCAR. That conference is top heavy when Miami and VA Tech are down

That's fine, won't disagree, but that wasn't the point of the post. Oftentimes fans of the SEC will completely discount any team that doesn't play in the SEC. I firmly believe, actually I think I know that the best college football is played in the southeast pretty much every year. But there are indeed other very good, very talented teams playing in the PAC-12, the Big 10, the Big 12 and yes, the ACC.

My example of Clemson last year made the point quite nicely. While anyone on here can try and invalidate them because "they play in the ACC", the fact is that they proved how good they were on the field, between the white lines when they played three of the best teams in the country last year, Florida State, Oklahoma and Alabama, went 2-1 and gave Alabama all they could handle in the national title game.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

That's fine, won't disagree, but that wasn't the point of the post. Oftentimes fans of the SEC will completely discount any team that doesn't play in the SEC. I firmly believe, actually I think I know that the best college football is played in the southeast pretty much every year. But there are indeed other very good, very talented teams playing in the PAC-12, the Big 10, the Big 12 and yes, the ACC.

My example of Clemson last year made the point quite nicely. While anyone on here can try and invalidate them because "they play in the ACC", the fact is that they proved how good they were on the field, between the white lines when they played three of the best teams in the country last year, Florida State, Oklahoma and Alabama, went 2-1 and gave Alabama all they could handle in the national title game.

Clemson and Florida State are defacto SEC teams. What makes the SEC special isn't the conference its the recruiting footprint. Clemson and Florida State both recruit as well as the best SEC schools from the same footprint so their success isn't a surprise. Same can be said the Ohio State eventhough they are not in the south.

However, you can't say that for anyone else in the ACC or the Big 10 (except Michigan is Harbaugh continues the rebuild).

Big 12 and Pac 12 are all around crappy right now. Texas and USC aren't what they used to be. And Oklahoma looks elite only because of the weak competition.

 

[08Vol]

Exactly. 2013 comes to mind. Right after we lost to Florida in Gainsville, their season just died. Granted, we were pretty bad in 2013 too. After all, it was CBJ's first year and he had inheritied the disaster left by fooley. But, even still we were nowhere near as bad as Florida. They finished 4-8, which turned out the be their worst season in over 40 years and something like their 3rd worst season in program history. The truth is, we should have split with them over these last 11 years. We could have/should have beaten them in 2005, 2006, 2013, 2014, and 2015.

2013 was a special game. Butch had no idea what he had gotten himself into with the SEC and thought a good practice player would do fine making his 1st start in the Swamp. Then he left him in with a broken hand. UF was coming off a 12 win season with hopes for a championship. They were hit BAD by injuries that year, most coming after our game. By the GSU game they just wanted the season to be over. Muschamp was eventually fired over that season, not due to the injuries, but bc the players quit on him(see Fulmer and Wyoming or Dooley and UK)