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jave36 said:
Maybe in a perfectly ideal and non existent world, but in today's society and culture, you need millions upon millions to have a legitimate chance at running. A large portion of those millions are supplied by our taxes, but they only go to the two top parties,which is a rule set up by the top 2 parties.
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Are you suggesting tax dollars go to campaign funds and party coffers or just that we pay office holders too much?
 
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Skullbone said:
You guys realize that anyone can run for President, right? You don't have to run as a Republican or a Democrat. The problem isn't that we're only allowed to choose from the "elite" class. The problem is that we choose to choose from the "elite" class. People are free to vote the homeless man on the corner if they like. The reason he loses isn't because the system is rigged for "elites", but rather that most people want an "elite" person and no one votes for the homeless guy, who coincidentally doesn't know jack about how to run a country or how to diligently run a campaign and present his good ideas to the whole nation. The key is not to destroy the system and all it's institutions. The key is in the hand of each John Q. Citizen. The system didn't give us Barrack Hussein Obama. A whole bunch of average, every day people did. If you really want someone to blame, blame the media for not giving the people more coverage and information on 3rd party candidates and more honest coverage of the facts and substance. But even if they did, I'm afraid most people would still choose in similar fashion as today because they want a prime time, top tier person. It's almost like we're trying to fill a movie character role of a President instead of hiring a man to do a job.
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The problem with your premise, is that unless I have millions of dollars to purchase air time for commercials and ads, free time to campaign and travel from state to state, and a massive staff of supporters, about all I can do is stand on a street corner and scream into a megaphone and hope I get noticed. I fail to see how that is not rigged in favor of the elite.
 
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That in turn translates into a scenario, where only the wealthy can run, not the homeless guy on the corner. Being rich doesn't make one a more capable leader, but in this country it appears to be a prerequisite.
 
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Skullbone said:
You guys realize that anyone can run for President, right? You don't have to run as a Republican or a Democrat. The problem isn't that we're only allowed to choose from the "elite" class. The problem is that we choose to choose from the "elite" class. People are free to vote the homeless man on the corner if they like. The reason he loses isn't because the system is rigged for "elites", but rather that most people want an "elite" person and no one votes for the homeless guy, who coincidentally doesn't know jack about how to run a country or how to diligently run a campaign and present his good ideas to the whole nation. The key is not to destroy the system and all it's institutions. The key is in the hand of each John Q. Citizen. The system didn't give us Barrack Hussein Obama. A whole bunch of average, every day people did. If you really want someone to blame, blame the media for not giving the people more coverage and information on 3rd party candidates and more honest coverage of the facts and substance. But even if they did, I'm afraid most people would still choose in similar fashion as today because they want a prime time, top tier person. It's almost like we're trying to fill a movie character role of a President instead of hiring a man to do a job.
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Skullbone said:
It was the best field of Republican candidates I can ever remember. Now the Democrat field was terrible.
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Well bless your little heart, you sweet summer child.
 
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SmokinBob said:
Congratulations on your upcoming graduation (don't sleep through it :)) and on your new adventure in logistics! :thumbsup:
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He isn't me, so no worries about sleeping through important academic events.

Also, Orange and Garnet, you are graduating from UTC this year? Where are you from?
 
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CABVOL said:
Again, the fact that he and Hillary will battle it out for the POTUS just proves how anti-politics-as-usual the people truly are. There better be some major party restructuring in the very near future or it'll just be worse the next go around.
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The average American voter is ill informed of issues. Most vote against their own best interest. The masses have been dumbed down by reality (scripted) TV.
 
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#1Volfaninmo said:
Ignorant response is ignorant. Anybody in that field would have been better than the current president or either of the 2 socialists running on the other side. Period.
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Clinton isn't a socialist. She's the Democrat version of Trump, saying whatever she knows the base wants to hear. She doesn't believe a single word of it, just like Trump. Both of them care about two things, their ego and their money. They'll say whatever words it takes to look out for those two things.

Bernie, however, is exceptionally scary because he really does believe that socialist nonsense.

Somewhat related, has anyone thought that maybe the North and South should split (mutually this time) again? Why should two radically, fundentally opposed societies and cultures be in this forced marriage that's obviously not working? We can't get anything done, no one is benefiting, and thanks to Lincoln and many others, States no longer have enough autonomy to govern themselves. If we're going to have all the power in the federal government, why not just split up? I think we'd be much better friends/allies than spouses.
 
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WilliamDuVOL said:
The problem with your premise, is that unless I have millions of dollars to purchase air time for commercials and ads, free time to campaign and travel from state to state, and a massive staff of supporters, about all I can do is stand on a street corner and scream into a megaphone and hope I get noticed. I fail to see how that is not rigged in favor of the elite.
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Again, I fail to see how our desire to only vote for people who do purchase air time and actually have time to dedicate towards being President equates to a rigged system. I realize many folks are just frustrated in general, but what do you guys want? You want to trash the first amendment and outlaw commercials or news coverage so you feel better about a poor man's chances at becoming President? You can dictate a media blackout and make any campaign material illegal you like, but people are still not going to vote for the little indie candidates because they just don't want to and/or they have no idea who they are. Heck, half or more of the people walking down any sidewalk in any city couldn't tell you who the vice President is right now. That's not from a lack of tv coverage either. You can level the playing field with dictates all day long, but you're still not going to get Coonrippy or The Rent's too damn high Jimmy elected as President. If you guys want a real change for the better in this country then you need to advocate for Constitutional conservative adherence no matter who's on tv or not. If we can start moving back toward Constitutional separations of power, free market economics, and promotion of individual liberty we can recreate a boom in this country not seen since the Gipper.
If you really want to help tailor a better system for preventing mega rich life long politicians and their pals from dominating you need to get behind a convention of the states as prescribed in article 5 of the Constitution. There are amendments that could be passed within the law and spirit of the Constitution that would greatly reform some of the current problems. For example, term limits and a balanced budget amendment for starters. Anyone seriously interested in this subject should read the book " The Liberty Amendments." You want to know how you can fight back for real? There it is, given to us by the founding fathers. Tennessee by the way has already signed up for a convention of the states along with many other states. This is real.
 
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Skullbone said:
Again, I fail to see how our desire to only vote for people who do purchase air time and actually have time to dedicate towards being President equates to a rigged system. I realize many folks are just frustrated in general, but what do you guys want? You want to trash the first amendment and outlaw commercials or news coverage so you feel better about a poor man's chances at becoming President? You can dictate a media blackout and make any campaign material illegal you like, but people are still not going to vote for the little indie candidates because they just don't want to and/or they have no idea who they are. Heck, half or more of the people walking down any sidewalk in any city couldn't tell you who the vice President is right now. That's not from a lack of tv coverage either. You can level the playing field with dictates all day long, but you're still not going to get Coonrippy or The Rent's too damn high Jimmy elected as President. If you guys want a real change for the better in this country then you need to advocate for Constitutional conservative adherence no matter who's on tv or not. If we can start moving back toward Constitutional separations of power, free market economics, and promotion of individual liberty we can recreate a boom in this country not seen since the Gipper.
If you really want to help tailor a better system for preventing mega rich life long politicians and their pals from dominating you need to get behind a convention of the states as prescribed in article 5 of the Constitution. There are amendments that could be passed within the law and spirit of the Constitution that would greatly reform some of the current problems. For example, term limits and a balanced budget amendment for starters. Anyone seriously interested in this subject should read the book " The Liberty Amendments." You want to know how you can fight back for real? There it is, given to us by the founding fathers. Tennessee by the way has already signed up for a convention of the states along with many other states. This is real.
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There is conclusive proof, scientifically, that in most elections at the state level, the biggest budget wins. Sure theoretically anyone can run, but practically, no one without money will ever win except in the .00001% of exceptions that prove the rule.

You're living in an ideological fantasy land if you think Joe Schmoe off the street has an actual chance at winning a major election.

Edit: I agree with everything else you said regarding the Constitution and free markets, but my individual preference for adhering to the Constitution doesn't mean squat. I vote Libertarian more often than anything, and that's gotten me and this country exactly 0 inches closer to following the Constitution.
 
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I understand your frustration, but your presentation of the facts are misleading. Yes, most of the time people with the most money win, but it's not set in stone. There are hundreds of examples across the country. Ted Cruz beat Dewhurst who had hundreds of millions of dollars more. Dave Brat beat the powerful money backed Eric Cantor. Marco Rubio didn't have any money. John Ratcliffe, Tim Scott, Scott Walker, etc. As with literally anything, money certainly makes winning much easier, but it's not a guarantee of victory at all. There's a few things that could be done to make it better, but it's not a foregone conclusion taking on the machine anymore. You know, limits on federal campaign contributions sounds like a great thing, but it actually benefits the rich incumbents. Anyhow, I think it's important that everyone not just give up and advocate total destruction. The war of ideas rages on. I'm going to take a break before I get fired now. Peace be unto you, my Vol brethren.
 
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