Shoop explains what he'd have run vs Florida on 4th down

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Aggressive pressure D coupled with a strong run game is a good formula. If the passing game can provide more balance then it could get good....
 
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sjt18 said:
Aggressive pressure D coupled with a strong run game is a good formula. If the passing game can provide more balance then it could get good....
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Agreed. We need to be able to pass the ball well vs Florida. Look at last year....we ran the ball at will but couldn't throw it, couldn't be multiple at all which limited us late when we desperately needed a first down that could've ended the game. Of course, the adage/maxim that everybody trots out annually about the TN-Fla series is "whoever runs for the most yards wins the game." Unfortunately, that's only really true for the Gators.
 
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After the fact blathering about what another coach would have done, when the result of what WAS done is known, is meaningless. The only thing that matters is how we play next time. Besides, our lack of offensive balls played a BIG role in that loss, and in the oklahoma and bama losses, too. It's very convenient--and wrong--to pin everything on the defense when the offense was doing nothing in crunch time.
 
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I know the transitive property doesn't really work in football but it could be pointed out that Ohio State faced a Shoop led defense and Bama's Kirby Smart led D in 2014.

Against PSU, OSU gained 293 yards of offense in a double overtime game. Against Bama, OSU gained 537 yards in regulation.
 
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TUSKtimes said:
The Nittany Lion's DNA is defense. They come out in some games and look like a junior varsity on O, but that side has historically been the calling card. Will it translate to Tenn?

Besides, all things being equal, this season, we will be matching your new D coordinator with one of our own.
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Didn't the Vols torch his defense his for 38 points last year in Knoxville ? You've got yourselves a real good one there. And to top it off bama's gonna break in a new QB at neyland this year
 
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armchair said:
After the fact blathering about what another coach would have done, when the result of what WAS done is known, is meaningless. The only thing that matters is how we play next time. Besides, our lack of offensive balls played a BIG role in that loss, and in the oklahoma and bama losses, too. It's very convenient--and wrong--to pin everything on the defense when the offense was doing nothing in crunch time.
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In the context of this thread, in the offseason, it's worth some fun discussion about what might've worked (Shoop's plan) vs what we know failed miserably (Jancek/Butch's plan) IMO.

I don't personally pin it all on the defense. If we had any passing game whatsoever we likely rack up an extra first down or two in the 4th vs a depleted Florida secondary and end the game. But at the end of the day, if our defense hadn't been historically bad in 4th down defense, including the last one, we win the game with room to spare.
 
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dovervolz said:
Didn't the Vols torch his defense his for 38 points last year in Knoxville ? You've got yourselves a real good one there. And to top it off bama's gonna break in a new QB at neyland this year
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I'm curious to see how Pruitt is gonna mesh with Nick. He sure as hell couldn't get along with Mark Richt and staff. Who cant get along with Richt?
 
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KBVol said:
I'm curious to see how Pruitt is gonna mesh with Nick. He sure as hell couldn't get along with Mark Richt and staff. Who cant get along with Richt?
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Unfortunately, most the people who live around me are Bama fans. It's almost to a person that they think Pruitt is better than Smart. Their common explanation is that Pruitt had no talent to work with at UGA. I have to find that part at least laughable.
 
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TUSKtimes said:
Can't say I remember him much at Penn St and I watched a few games. Not even when Bama played franklin's crew at Vandy. So far, what I've heard, no one in the SEC will be able to run the football on his defense, no one. And he's willing to take a lot of chances on passing downs. Sounds like a risk, reward kind of guy.
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This is the feeling I get as well.
 
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It is pretty amazing that he spent most of his career at the FCS level. How in the world did James Franklin find him? Crazy.
 
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BaldBiker said:
Tusk isn't being a troll. He's an Alabama fan. He isn't hiding that fact. Of course he's going to speak well of his team and talk smack about ours. He isn't being like a lot of other posters and hiding behind Vol screen names and he isn't being disrespectful. If someone gives him sh**, of course he's going to give it back.

JMO...I don't mind him
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I enjoy most of our rival fans who post on this board, including LG, but all Tusk does is troll. He's the bama fan you hear about who got their honorary alumnus status from the Dollar General.
 
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VonVol said:
Unfortunately, most the people who live around me are Bama fans. It's almost to a person that they think Pruitt is better than Smart. Their common explanation is that Pruitt had no talent to work with at UGA. I have to find that part at least laughable.
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Most around here are expecting a small let down, but also realize that Saban runs the defense.
 
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VonVol said:
Unfortunately, most the people who live around me are Bama fans. It's almost to a person that they think Pruitt is better than Smart. Their common explanation is that Pruitt had no talent to work with at UGA. I have to find that part at least laughable.
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Mauger, Jenkins, Carter, Floyd, Thompson....yeah, nothing to work with last year.
 
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I have not seen pictures of Shoop's wife, but didn't having a hot wife used to be a criteria to be an assistant coach for Franklin? Seems like ESPN ran a report about that back when Vandy actually won. Typical ESPN.
 
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Butch jones is the head coach. The plays run thru him. Unless you wanna heavily criticize our oc for our lack of desire to even try to get a first down the entire 2nd half of the Oklahoma game youre blaming the wrong guy. Butch is the one with the vanilla play style and that won't change unless he changes it. At this point I'll believe us playing confidently vs Florida when I see it. God knows how scared we have been of them the last 25 years and he seems to jump right on that ship the moment we get a lead just big enough to lose.
 
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EZE said:
Don't feed the troll. The Alabama game is starting to get more even, and they know it. Barring significant injuries, Vols have at least an even chance of winning that game.
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Hell, we arguably played them as tough as any team did throughout their entire season. It was obvious, even during our losses, that we've progressed to the point of competing with anyone in the country...a mediocre team doesn't take 2 playoff teams to the wire out of chance or luck.

This is the year we are supposed to not only compete but win these games. And I'm tired of hearing we were overhyped last year...we finished right where most media pundits had is picked. Some in the media had higher expectations as well as some Vol fans, and given how close we were in all of our losses, it's not like the sec champs and darkhorse playoff dreamers were completely off base. However, championship teams finish games, and we weren't able to do that last year.

This has been mentioned multiple times and at least once in this thread, but we were picked 2nd in the East and that's right where we finished and as far as preseason polls, we finished right around where we started. On the opposite side of things, there were some last year that had us going 7-5, so no, we weren't overhyped last year. We were discussed more bc we were finally otw back to the top of the East and getting back to relevency. Fans of other programs viewed it as being over hyped, but it was moreso a case of actually receiving some positive national publicity for the first time in years.

Any Vol fan going into this season without SEC championship/cfb playoff aspirations is selling themselves and this squad short. Given the past disappointments, it's easy to fall victim to BVS. Battered Vol Syndrome - a mental disorder developed from from witnessing the worst 5 year stretch in UT football history. After nearly a decade of disappointment, most of us have suffered from BVS at some point but no more...this is a new year with a veteran, athletic, and more than anything, they believe that they're going to win every game this year...and all the pieces are finally in place...a combination of experience, elite talent, and a belief in themselves is something we haven't had on Rocky Top in idk how long. To the victims of BVS, the cure is in its final trial runs now and will be available this fall in dosages of one win per week, excl bye weeks.

And if you ever happen to run into one of the few intelligent, honest, reasonable, and respectful bama fans that actually do exist, they'll tell you that Clemson and UT both pushed their team to the limits. Of course, they lost to Ole Miss, but they gifted that game to them with multiple turnovers. They also realize that it's gonna be a helluva game against us this year...and I think this TSIO could be one for the ages.
 
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livefaith said:
4th and 14: Just wondering about the irony of Shoop's statement. Normally (statistically), rushing 3 and dropping 7 would do a better job of protecting a 63 yard play, than "coming after you" (presumably blitzing). Amirite?

Not that JJ was trying to only protect against a 63yd miracle. But nonetheless, extra pressure increases sacks, hurries, and disruptions. Yet also increases the probability of broken plays which go to "the house". Everyone (here) reveres the awesome Aaron Hayden 4th Q touchdown in the Miracle @ South Bend. Nobody talks about the fact that Johnnes assistants were begging for a screen pass to counteract the ND "come at you" which had happened in the plays previous and in the TD. We're coming at you sounds seriously awesome until the offense counteracts it for a big play. It's risk vs reward, not right way or wrong way.

I'm stoked about this hire too. Simply for the fact of Shoops track record and apparent insight. Just thought this was ironic.
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What makes Shoop's aggressive style so successful is that he knows exactly when to call his blitzes so that it doesn't put his defense in bad positions. Anybody can call a blitz but the great coaches know exactly when and in what situation to blitz.
 
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EZE said:
Don't feed the troll. The Alabama game is starting to get more even, and they know it. Barring significant injuries, Vols have at least an even chance of winning that game.
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umm what troll? that guy is not trolling he is stating his opinion and a lot of facts. I think we as UT fans need to stop being so sensitive just because someone is a Bama or Gator fan does not mean they are trolls, idiots or a$$hats. Vandy fans.. that is a different story.

Seriously guys I think a lot of you should practice ignoring the left side of the screen before reading posts. Read the post then see who posted it. There will be a lot less pointless arguments this way because i see often person x posts something and because they have a track record or they are a fan of x team they are immediately flamed irrespective of the contents of their actual posts.
 
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The Artful Dodger said:
What makes Shoop's aggressive style so successful is that he knows exactly when to call his blitzes so that it doesn't put his defense in bad positions. Anybody can call a blitz but the great coaches know exactly when and in what situation to blitz.
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What I read was Shoop was saying no one will run on the Vols. Aggressive run defense has more to do with getting to and holding your gap than blitzing. I'm reading his being aggressive as meaning the Vols will play physical and disciplined and be sure tacklers. What little I know about his style is he likes to bring pressure with scheme more than numbers; meaning only 4 of the front 7 are rushing the passer on a given play but he mixes up which 4 he brings.

Anyway the 2016 team should be fun to watch:peace2:
 
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This is Franklin's own career path. Perhaps this helps explain how he found Stoops?

Ever heard of freakin' Kutztown??


Coaching career (HC unless noted)
1995 Kutztown (WR)
1996 East Stroudsburg (DB)
1996 Roskilde Kings (OC)
1997 James Madison (WR)
1998 Washington State (TE)
1999 Idaho State (WR)
2000–2004 Maryland (WR/RC)
2005 Green Bay Packers (WR)
2006–2007 Kansas State (OC/QB)
2008–2010 Maryland (AHC/OC/QB)
2011–2013 Vanderbilt
2014–present Penn State
 
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paradox89 said:
Hell, we arguably played them as tough as any team did throughout their entire season. It was obvious, even during our losses, that we've progressed to the point of competing with anyone in the country...a mediocre team doesn't take 2 playoff teams to the wire out of chance or luck.

This is the year we are supposed to not only compete but win these games. And I'm tired of hearing we were overhyped last year...we finished right where most media pundits had is picked. Some in the media had higher expectations as well as some Vol fans, and given how close we were in all of our losses, it's not like the sec champs and darkhorse playoff dreamers were completely off base. However, championship teams finish games, and we weren't able to do that last year.

This has been mentioned multiple times and at least once in this thread, but we were picked 2nd in the East and that's right where we finished and as far as preseason polls, we finished right around where we started. On the opposite side of things, there were some last year that had us going 7-5, so no, we weren't overhyped last year. We were discussed more bc we were finally otw back to the top of the East and getting back to relevency. Fans of other programs viewed it as being over hyped, but it was moreso a case of actually receiving some positive national publicity for the first time in years.

Any Vol fan going into this season without SEC championship/cfb playoff aspirations is selling themselves and this squad short. Given the past disappointments, it's easy to fall victim to BVS. Battered Vol Syndrome - a mental disorder developed from from witnessing the worst 5 year stretch in UT football history. After nearly a decade of disappointment, most of us have suffered from BVS at some point but no more...this is a new year with a veteran, athletic, and more than anything, they believe that they're going to win every game this year...and all the pieces are finally in place...a combination of experience, elite talent, and a belief in themselves is something we haven't had on Rocky Top in idk how long. To the victims of BVS, the cure is in its final trial runs now and will be available this fall in dosages of one win per week, excl bye weeks.

And if you ever happen to run into one of the few intelligent, honest, reasonable, and respectful bama fans that actually do exist, they'll tell you that Clemson and UT both pushed their team to the limits. Of course, they lost to Ole Miss, but they gifted that game to them with multiple turnovers. They also realize that it's gonna be a helluva game against us this year...and I think this TSIO could be one for the ages.
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Good post.

There is another reason....or maybe it is the reason....that TN gets talked about a lot by the media. Most of you in your mid 20's and below probably don't remember and I'm not sure how many people overall remember, but, several years ago...maybe in Fulmers last year, TN football was being discussed by the talking heads on Saturday's. I'm guessing it was after Fulmer was let go. They said back then, Tennessee needs to be good. Tennessee being good is good for College Football. Then they named off a few teams that according to them fell into that category. Years later I can't recall the explanation of why they felt that way, but I still remember the "Tennessee being good is good for College Football" statement.
 
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