Shoop explains what he'd have run vs Florida on 4th down

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TUSKtimes said:
I do remember Tenn was pretty much riding the hype train with the media last year. Y'all were bringing back a lot of talent and expectations were screaming. Looks like it's going to be much more intense this time around. Y'all know the routine, "when much is given"...................
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People tend to misremember last year's hype. We weren't picked to win the East, and in fact, we haven't been picked to win it since 2005. Also, last year was the first time we've been picked to finish higher than 4th in the SECEast in years. We just weren't being completely dismissed last year like we have been for nearly the last decade and people were pointing out a lot of our talented players and calling us a dark horse....but never the favorite.

That being said, the bullseye is squarely on Butch and the boys now and we're gonna have to see how they respond. I hope they man up and embrace the expectations and we don't get anymore far-reaching, mealy-mouth excuses from the head coach. It's set up for Tennessee to assume its rightful place atop the East and as a perennial SEC championship contender. Let's see if they can do it.
 
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Grand Vol said:
It's not like he doesn't have two potential All SEC backs as well as a scrambling QB to practice against. Say what you want, but a defense that's been practicing against Hurd, Kamara and Dobbs probably has a pretty decent advantage over someone like South Carolina or Miss State.
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Maybe these two, in talent and some scheme. If Shoops defense lined up against the barn or ole miss, maybe tamu and State each day, wouldn't give you a puncher's chance of having an elite defense. Butch prepares his D by executing a power running spread that controls clock and field position. Requires the same muscle memory from the D. I give him credit for that, even though the masses scream a lot about the passing game and points. Still, he's smart enough to play to an identity on both LOS.
 
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TUSKtimes said:
Maybe these two, in talent and some scheme. If Shoops defense lined up against the barn or ole miss, maybe tamu and State each day, wouldn't give you a puncher's chance of having an elite defense. Butch prepares his D by executing a power running spread that controls clock and field position. Requires the same muscle memory from the D. I give him credit for that, even though the masses scream a lot about the passing game and points. Still, he's smart enough to play to an identity on both LOS.
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You have no real idea of how good this defense might possibly be under Shoop's management. You're just throwing stuff against the wall now and hoping we buy your schtick.
 
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FINALLY. If you make a mistake by being aggressive then so be it. Just don't lay there and let it happen.
 
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Crazy Ivan said:
You have no real idea of how good this defense might possibly be under Shoop's management. You're just throwing stuff against the wall now and hoping we buy your schtick.
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Actually, I was giving your coach credit for being smarter than most of you guys on the forum.

Do I think Shoop is playing to the crowd, yeah, maybe it's time to reenlist with season tickets? As far as completely shutting down the run, thus making the elite on your schedule one dimensional, I seriously doubt it. That he likes to blitz, in the sec, your going to see a ton of screens, draws, quick hitches and the like from some very fast people. Better not be predictable.
 
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TUSKtimes said:
Actually, I was giving your coach credit for being smarter than most of you guys on the forum.

Do I think Shoop is playing to the crowd, yeah, maybe it's time to reenlist with season tickets? As far as completely shutting down the run, thus making the elite on your schedule one dimensional, I seriously doubt it. That he likes to blitz, in the sec, your going to see a ton of screens, draws, quick hitches and the like from some very fast people. Better not be predictable.
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Well no sh!t sparky.
 
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TUSKtimes said:
Actually, I was giving your coach credit for being smarter than most of you guys on the forum.

Do I think Shoop is playing to the crowd, yeah, maybe it's time to reenlist with season tickets? As far as completely shutting down the run, thus making the elite on your schedule one dimensional, I seriously doubt it. That he likes to blitz, in the sec, your going to see a ton of screens, draws, quick hitches and the like from some very fast people. Better not be predictable.
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I can promise you that our D will keep discipline. Screens and draws etc... didn't get much at all on these guys last year when we brought the house and that is a function if our head coach demanding we play smart. Shoop won't go totally rogue and run undisciplined looks.
 
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germantown902 said:
I appreciate a confident coach, but he has yet to coach a game with these kids. This season is full of hype. There's no need to add gasoline to the fire this early.
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And why not, pray tell? No, he hasn't coached a game with these young men ( they are far from kids) but, he has a great record coaching up those Nittany Lions on defense. I love his blunt, to the point delivery and I bet the Vols do as well. Can't wait....
 
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TUSKtimes said:
Actually, I was giving your coach credit for being smarter than most of you guys on the forum.

Do I think Shoop is playing to the crowd, yeah, maybe it's time to reenlist with season tickets? As far as completely shutting down the run, thus making the elite on your schedule one dimensional, I seriously doubt it. That he likes to blitz, in the sec, your going to see a ton of screens, draws, quick hitches and the like from some very fast people. Better not be predictable.
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The pressure coming from different sources, out of different looks and packages and disguises is what should make it unpredictable. We'll see. The national total defense rankings at his two previous steps at programs not on par with where Tennessee now is suggest that he has a good idea what he's doing.
 
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i don't see the point in re hashing the coulda woulda shoulda of last year, but to the point of being aggressive, and the team that is going to dictate to the other team....i'm on board with that.
 
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peppervol said:
And why not, pray tell? No, he hasn't coached a game with these young men ( they are far from kids) but, he has a great record coaching up those Nittany Lions on defense. I love his blunt, to the point delivery and I bet the Vols do as well. Can't wait....
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Plus, go back and look at how his defenses performed at lowly, pathetic Vandy. Shoop was the secret to Franklin's success. His defenses carried Franklin's annual, feckless, inept offenses at both Vandy and Penn State.
 
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KBVol said:
The pressure coming from different sources, out of different looks and packages and disguises is what should make it unpredictable. We'll see. The national total defense rankings at his two previous steps at programs not on par with where Tennessee now is suggest that he has a good idea what he's doing.
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And what you get from your down linemen. If they get a push and a decent inside pass rush, all things are possible. There's that LOS thing again.
 
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TUSKtimes said:
If Shoops defense lined up against the barn or ole miss, maybe tamu and State each day, wouldn't give you a puncher's chance of having an elite defense.
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LOL.... prepositioning excuses?

Shoop was a VERY good hire. The only UT coordinator I've seen do "more with less" in the past 25 years was Cutcliffe. Shoop did so in spades at Vandy and PSU.

At UT, he inherits more talent and talented depth than he's ever had.

There is very good reason for UT fans to be optimistic that he'll improve a talented D held back by the DC's playcalling to a really good D.
 
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PS- I was doubtful of Jancek from the start and believed that he underperformed his talent in both of the first two years. Last year he improved to mediocre imo.
 
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not sure if i like or get the hitler comparison????

there's no sneaking, i think everyone pretty much thinks it's put up or shut up time for CBJ and the Vols.

that said, for all our foes out there, Derek Dooleys 2012 proclamation aside, this isn't the same Tennessee team you've been pushing around with relative ease the past 10 years.

to your point on the LOS, while i would like to be deeper on the D line, our 2 deep could play for anyone. and our O line should be fine. we are as good or better on the LOS as we've been in very long time....Good enough now that it can/should be the reason we can put some games away now.
 
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sjt18 said:
LOL.... prepositioning excuses?

Shoop was a VERY good hire. The only UT coordinator I've seen do "more with less" in the past 25 years was Cutcliffe. Shoop did so in spades at Vandy and PSU.

At UT, he inherits more talent and talented depth than he's ever had.

There is very good reason for UT fans to be optimistic that he'll improve a talented D held back by the DC's playcalling to a really good D.
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I'll get back with you after the Bama game. Give you my honest opinion.
 
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TUSKtimes said:
I'll get back with you after the Bama game. Give you my honest opinion.
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I didn't say you would "need" the excuses... but folks do this all of the time. They lay the ground work for an excuse just in case they need it later....

Shoop may be another Sunseri for all I know. Thanks for that one btw.

But he does have a successful track record of taking poor talent and producing. Now we get to see if he can take 4* and 5* players and produce even better.
 
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to me there's still a few things this team has to do that CBJ's previous teams have shown they can't....

1. win the big game when it matters the most. bow wins are nice and fun. but beat FL or Bama while the SEC title game is still on the line.
2. get a big road win. two great opps for that this season.
3. handle success. how are we as the front runner? would like to find out.
 
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sjt18 said:
I didn't say you would "need" the excuses... but folks do this all of the time. They lay the ground work for an excuse just in case they need it later....

Shoop may be another Sunseri for all I know. Thanks for that one btw.

But he does have a successful track record of taking poor talent and producing. Now we get to see if he can take 4* and 5* players and produce even better.
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Don't feed the troll. The Alabama game is starting to get more even, and they know it. Barring significant injuries, Vols have at least an even chance of winning that game.
 
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TUSKtimes said:
Best save that analogy for your schedule after Alabama. Until then, your not going to be seeing many underdogs.
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If the season goes as the hype train is predicting, every team before Alabama will be underdogs. The two possible exceptions being GA and aTm (away games).

The 1st four teams will absolutely be underdogs (yes, FL included).

If the season goes as the hype train predicts, the Bama game could be a toss up on who is the underdog with a 3-7 pt point spread. Bama won by 5 pts last year...on your home field. Give us 3 pts for home field advantage and it's a two point spread. We have the established QB, you don't. If TN plays to expectations, this season could get really interesting real fast and no one will be being snuck up on. They'll all know we are coming.
 
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