Florida streak (split)

[VOL 4 Life 83]

Wouldn't make a difference. If you suck to start the year you'll suck in the middle.

And if you're great to start the year you'll be great at the end (cough, cough florida cough) the year

Guess we didn't improve over the year from a 2-3 record to winning 9 games and blowing out our bowl opponent.

My God you're ridiculous.

 

[Dragon18]

So if talent was equal, why didn't we go 2-2 in those 4 years? It wasn't just Peyton, the whole team was loaded with studs.

Spurrier is/was a better coach than Fulmer.

 

[82_VOL_83]

If you want me to respond them it's very simple.

What do you think happened around 1976 that changed the dynamics of the Tennessee/Florida series from say the previous 100 years?

Before the early 70s, the SEC was an overwhelmingly white conference. All the players were white. Little by little, however, black folks started making up more and more of the player pool. Its no surprise schools like Florida, Florida State, and Miami all took off around this time. Before the 80s, the Florida schools were not special. Since then they've owned college football. The state of Florida has a larger population of African Americans than any other state in the union except New York and Georgia (which are only slightly ahead of Florida).

Tennessee in contrast has only 1/3 the African American population of Florida and thus a smaller player pool.

We sustained better success against Georgia (eventhough Georgia has such a large African Americans population) because for most of the last 40 years because we (along with the other SEC powers) have raided the state of Georgia of many of it's best black players. If Georgia ever locked down the state, no one would ever beat them. This is the reason Saban says it's the best job.

This is so wrong as to be moronic.

 

[VOL 4 Life 83]

I agree. I'm just telling yall this program hasn't deserved to be nationally relevant and people are getting mad.

You can't just hope to beat an opponent like Vandy does. If you wanna beat Florida, out recruit them and develop better pro players. When we do that we'll beat them.

Till then you guys will be making excuses about players getting psyched out.

Hypocrite. You were JUST IN HERE the other day arguing why we should be pre-season top 5. Now you're saying we need to earn it nationally. So which is it D4H?

 

[Dragon18]

If you want me to respond them it's very simple.

What do you think happened around 1976 that changed the dynamics of the Tennessee/Florida series from say the previous 100 years?

Before the early 70s, the SEC was an overwhelmingly white conference. All the players were white. Little by little, however, black folks started making up more and more of the player pool. Its no surprise schools like Florida, Florida State, and Miami all took off around this time. Before the 80s, the Florida schools were not special. Since then they've owned college football. The state of Florida has a larger population of African Americans than any other state in the union except New York and Georgia (which are only slightly ahead of Florida).

Tennessee in contrast has only 1/3 the African American population of Florida and thus a smaller player pool.

We sustained better success against Georgia (eventhough Georgia has such a large African Americans population) because for most of the last 40 years because we (along with the other SEC powers) have raided the state of Georgia of many of it's best black players. If Georgia ever locked down the state, no one would ever beat them. This is the reason Saban says it's the best job.

Jimmy the Greek? Is that you? It's been a really long time since we've heard from you Lol.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

You absolutely cannot be serious.

So black players from Florida and Alabama are better than black players from Georgia and Tennessee? I don't quite get your argument...

No. More black players in Florida = better chance you'll find better players.

There's a reason Florida is a recruiting hotbed. Black population there is nearly 3 million. Georgia is 3 million as well.

Tennessee = slightly over 1 million

And that's with a big population boost the last 10 years. Its one of the main reasons the state of Tennessee has started producing more elite college football players lately. And hopefully it's what keep Tennessee an elite program going forward.

 

[volmanbill]

No. More black players in Florida = better chance you'll find better players.

There's a reason Florida is a recruiting hotbed. Black population there is nearly 3 million. Georgia is 3 million as well.

Tennessee = slightly over 1 million

And that's with a big population boost the last 10 years. Its one of the main reasons the state of Tennessee has started producing more elite college football players lately. And hopefully it's what keep Tennessee an elite program going forward.

Racist much?

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

Hypocrite. You were JUST IN HERE the other day arguing why we should be pre-season top 5. Now you're saying we need to earn it nationally. So which is it D4H?

We earned it when Butch landed back to back top 5 recruiting classes.

We'll stay relevant as long as he keeps doing that at least 2 out of every 3 recruiting cycles. If we have more years like 2016, then we'll no longer be relevant.

Recruiting is what matters. On field success is a formality if you recruit well enough.

 

[orangeluvr]

So. We've beaten Georgia and they've had players drafted. We had Florida beat the last two years, only to collapse at the end. You don't think psyche has something to do with it?

That's why Butch hired Shoop.:good!:

 

[VOL 4 Life 83]

No. More black players in Florida = better chance you'll find better players.

There's a reason Florida is a recruiting hotbed. Black population there is nearly 3 million. Georgia is 3 million as well.

Tennessee = slightly over 1 million

And that's with a big population boost the last 10 years. Its one of the main reasons the state of Tennessee has started producing more elite college football players lately. And hopefully it's what keep Tennessee an elite program going forward.

Buuuut, we recruit from those states too. Pretty sure we have just as many black players on our team as any other SEC school. I still DO NOT understand this whole black vs white argument and how it relates to Florida beating us 24 out of the last 30 years? Pretty sure KB summed up that we have pretty much split with bama and Georgia in that timeframe, also with African American athletes. So, do you actually have a legitimate argument??

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

Jimmy the Greek? Is that you? It's been a really long time since we've heard from you Lol.

Why else do you think the SEC dominates college football?

Location location location.

And Florida just happens to be sitting on the best real estate in the country.

 

[Dragon18]

We earned it when Butch landed back to back top 5 recruiting classes.

We'll stay relevant as long as he keeps doing that at least 2 out of every 3 recruiting cycles. If we have more years like 2016, then we'll no longer be relevant.

Recruiting is what matters. On field success is a formality if you recruit well enough.

D4H you don't typically bother me much with your posts but you must be off the meds today. The "Florida is better because the state has more black players" and now saying that success is a formality if you recruit well are two viewpoints I can't even begin to get behind. Just look at Fulmer's failing years and you will see that recruiting is simply not enough.

 

[82_VOL_83]

Wouldn't make a difference. If you suck to start the year you'll suck in the middle.

I know you have watched A LOT of football. From your posts in this thread, maybe you should take notes when you do.

We have a 39% win percentage over Bama and in the same time period a 26% win percentage over FL. During that time period Bama was historically the best team. The FL game is mental, nothing more, nothing less.

 

[volmanbill]

Why else do you think the SEC dominates college football?

Location location location.

And Florida just happens to be sitting on the best real estate in the country.

So which is it? The real estate or the color of the population?

 

[VOL 4 Life 83]

We earned it when Butch landed back to back top 5 recruiting classes.

We'll stay relevant as long as he keeps doing that at least 2 out of every 3 recruiting cycles. If we have more years like 2016, then we'll no longer be relevant.

Recruiting is what matters. On field success is a formality if you recruit well enough.

No, we haven't EARNED jack squat yet until we start beating teams with a winning record on a consistent basis. You don't earn anything nationally beating Western Carolina, Bowling green, vandy and kentucky. Until we beat florida and bama we won't be respected nationally.

And no, recruiting well does not equal on field success. Dooley recruited well enough (top 25 all years he was coach) and he looked like a buffoon.

 

[Dragon18]

Why else do you think the SEC dominates college football?

Location location location.

And Florida just happens to be sitting on the best real estate in the country.

Won't argue location. Warmer climate allows for year long activity coupled with more expansive greenspace to engage in more athletic endeavors from a young age. I just will not go with you on the black/white thing.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

Buuuut, we recruit from those states too. Pretty sure we have just as many black players on our team as any other SEC school. I still DO NOT understand this whole black vs white argument and how it relates to Florida beating us 24 out of the last 30 years? Pretty sure KB summed up that we have pretty much split with bama and Georgia in that timeframe, also with African American athletes. So, do you actually have a legitimate argument??

Florida sat on the best recruiting real estate in the country for the last 30 years. Everyone knows this. Its the reason it's a top 10 job. Same with Florida State. And same with Miami back in the day as well.

Remember in the 90s when Florida, Florida State, and Miami were all top 10 programs. That should tell you all you need to know about the talent level of the state. The player pool there could sustain 3 top 10 programs. Ridiculous.

When you sit on prime recruiting real estate, you get your choice of the litter. Its why those programs have been so successful since the 1970s.

Schools like Tennessee have had to rely on other states which makes it harder to consistently compete for championships.

 

[82_VOL_83]

Reading D4H's posts here had actually decreased my talent level. Don't know if I can stand much more.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

Racist much?

Racism is the belief one race is superior to another based on superficial qualities like the color of ones skin.

The dominance of black folks in college football is based on facts.

 

[VOL 4 Life 83]

Florida sat on the best recruiting real estate in the country for the last 30 years. Everyone knows this. Its the reason it's a top 10 job. Same with Florida State. And same with Miami back in the day as well.

Remember in the 90s when Florida, Florida State, and Miami were all top 10 programs. That should tell you all you need to know about the talent level of the state. The player pool there could sustain 3 top 10 programs. Ridiculous.

When you sit on prime recruiting real estate, you get your choice of the litter. Its why those programs have been so successful since the 1970s.

Schools like Tennessee have had to rely on other states which makes it harder to consistently compete for championships.

But in your mind good recruiting = black athletes....

You sir, have issues. And we wonder why race is such a huge problem these days with mindsets like this.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

D4H you don't typically bother me much with your posts but you must be off the meds today. The "Florida is better because the state has more black players" and now saying that success is a formality if you recruit well are two viewpoints I can't even begin to get behind. Just look at Fulmer's failing years and you will see that recruiting is simply not enough.

Recruiting back then wasn't as precise as now. If you look at the list of 5 stars the last 5-10 years you'll see a large percentage make it to the league. If you look at the last 3 national champs, they had multiple top 5 recruiting classes on campus.

Whether you like it or not, elite recruiting is the key to winning championships in modern college football. Its not sufficient to win a title. But it damn sure looks necessary.

 

[KBVol]

I don't know why it's so hard for yall to accept the fact this program has been hot pile of horse manure the last 10 years. We've only climbed out of the abyss last year.

You can put me on the record right now. If we lose to Florida again this year (short of a myriad of catatrophic injuries to our star players) I'll join you in this belief that supernatural forces are keeping Tennessee from beating Florida.

If we win however I don't wanna hear any of this crap again. You deserve what you get. Nothing has kept Tennessee from winning other than lack of talent. PERIOD.

Last 10 years?Yes....even though we clearly should've won the last 2 games after taking two score leads into the 4th quarter, yes, we've been a grease fire while Florida has been a good to very good program the last ten years. And I certainly didn't expect to win many, if any games since 2006, except for the last two, in hindsight. But, I digress.

To your original point, yes, we've been awful the last 10 years....but the last 40, no, not at all, not remotely. Even during the last golden age of UT late 80's thru 2004 or so was a golden age of Volunteers football. We were 171-48-4 from 1987 to 2004, including 9 10+ wins seasons, 17 bowl appearances, 15 top 25s, 8 top 10s, multiple SEC titles, and of course a national title. During that phenomenal stretch of Tennessee football, we still lost 9 of 15 games to a Gators program that was 165-58-1 during the same period. So don't give me "it's only due to talent that we lose to Florida", because while partially true at different times, as a pure blanket statement, it's BS. We've lost several times when we had the better team through the years.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

So which is it? The real estate or the color of the population?

Let me just put it this way. Flip flop Florida and Tennessee's population and that record the last 30 years flips.

 

[bamawriter]

When I read D4H's posts, I often think that he's trolling. But trolls tend to post with a little bit of humor, or irony. I don't see any of that in D4H's weird rants.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

No, we haven't EARNED jack squat yet until we start beating teams with a winning record on a consistent basis. You don't earn anything nationally beating Western Carolina, Bowling green, vandy and kentucky. Until we beat florida and bama we won't be respected nationally.

And no, recruiting well does not equal on field success. Dooley recruited well enough (top 25 all years he was coach) and he looked like a buffoon.

Top 25 isn't good enough. To win big top 5 classes are necessary. And not just one. Multiple. Two to three in a row. Dooley never did it. In fact in the rivals era of modern recruiting no Tennessee coach has done it till Butch.