SHOOP comments

[ruger1234]

Why not the 98 VOL defense?
I remember that one being stingy...

The 98 D was exceptional but not as good as 92 bama. That Bama D only allowed 9.5 ppg

 

[KBVol]

If Chubb doesn't get 7 ypc against team 120's D we have a contingent of his VN fanboys that will beshat themselves which will be a fun day for yours truly.

I hope he doesn't get 7 total yards, period, much less 7 ypc when we play UGA. For that matter, I couldn't care less if he doesn't run for 7 yards all season long. But that has nothing to do with recognizing how good the kid has been to date, averaging about 7.5 per carry every time he's touched it.

I know you don't like the kid as a running back, don't think you see anything special in him. No worries, it's you're opinion and its welcome. I just see him differently....I think he's an elite running back at 5'11, 220, with great quickness, burst and speed, as the great yards per carry would suggest.

 

[ruger1234]

Alabama 1992? Might want to pump the brakes a little there. We are going to be good, but it is not all time good, at least not until they prove it on the field.

Sure they'll have to prove it on the field. I still believe the pieces are in place for this D to be good enough to be motioned among the best all time.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

To play Devil's advocate:

The hype train ALWAYS gets a head of steam this time of year. If past experience is any indication, our expectations will ramp up and by August we will be a shoe-in for the National Championship with an undefeated season to boot.

Why is this year's hype train different (if it is different) for you? What has heightened your expectations?

Going into the season, no one thought we could go to Tuscaloosa and lead Alabama with 3 minutes left in the game. No one thought Oklahoma was a playoff team after we blew a 17-3 lead in the 4th quarter. No one thought Florida would win the east when we blew a 13 point 4th quarter lead.

We were actually very close to shattering expectations and exceeding the hype last year.

 

[KBVol]

The MVP award should have gone to Clint Sterner. Without his fumble, no championship. Having said that, it was Tennessee's D that pushed him back making him fumble.

Actually, my that logic, the MVP should've gone to Billy Ratliffe.....if he doesn't blow up the OG Burlsworth, an all-SEC player iirc, and shove him into the backfield, Stoerner doesn't trip over his foot, stumble and drop the ball.....which was then recovered by Ratliffe. So, if the fumble is the key play leading to our championship, shouldn't we recognize/honor the guy who was actually responsible for it? Just a thought.

 

[Enki_Amenra]

 

[McDad]

Going into the season, no one thought we could go to Tuscaloosa and lead Alabama with 3 minutes left in the game. No one thought Oklahoma was a playoff team after we blew a 17-3 lead in the 4th quarter. No one thought Florida would win the east when we blew a 13 point 4th quarter lead.

We were actually very close to shattering expectations and exceeding the hype last year.

NTSB: Why did the train crash?

Conductor: We were very close to keeping the wheels on the rails, sir.

 

[Grand Vol]

To play Devil's advocate:

The hype train ALWAYS gets a head of steam this time of year. If past experience is any indication, our expectations will ramp up and by August we will be a shoe-in for the National Championship with an undefeated season to boot.

Why is this year's hype train different (if it is different) for you? What has heightened your expectations?

Look Mister Lucifer, we don't take too kindly to your kind around these parts.

I think the expectations are greater due to the amount of talent we bring back, new coaching schemes (namely defensive in nature), Debord getting more comfortable with the players and back into the saddle (evident from the mid season last year and on) and the remainder of the SEC East going into relative unknown waters with Florida being the proverbial thorn.

 

[JacketVol]

I remember that. With a rookie QB to boot.

This is as OT as heck, but here goes ... Who would have thought Marino would never return to the SB again, at that point? In my list of all time QBs, by skill / ability / performance, I rank Marino a very close 2nd to PM.

Ironically, that rookie season, the Dolphins had a solid defense. Never again in Marino's long career was their defense good. Not once! Then the year after he retires, the offense lost it's way as expected, and their defense was excellent.

One of the oddities of sports IMO. Maybe DMs monstrous contracts could be linked to personnel budgetary issues that contributed to that. But it's still a really weird thing to me.

... ok, back to Shoop.

Walter Payton was sweetness with the Dolphins in 86.

 

[JacketVol]

To play Devil's advocate:

The hype train ALWAYS gets a head of steam this time of year. If past experience is any indication, our expectations will ramp up and by August we will be a shoe-in for the National Championship with an undefeated season to boot.

Why is this year's hype train different (if it is different) for you? What has heightened your expectations?

Hard to go undefeated. Something like the Arky game just has to fall your way. Luck has to be a lady that night.

 

[Remy]

I hope he doesn't get 7 total yards, period, much less 7 ypc when we play UGA. For that matter, I couldn't care less if he doesn't run for 7 yards all season long. But that has nothing to do with recognizing how good the kid has been to date, averaging about 7.5 per carry every time he's touched it.

I know you don't like the kid as a running back, don't think you see anything special in him. No worries, it's you're opinion and its welcome. I just see him differently....I think he's an elite running back at 5'11, 220, with great quickness, burst and speed, as the great yards per carry would suggest.

Lol, KB for a guy that often points out when people try to put words in your mouth, you are now guilty of the same! I've never said anything about not liking the kid. I have often and on the regular said Chubb was a good RB and talented. That I do not cosign yet, I'm willing to if he sustains the performance of his freshman year his being elite, translates you making it public I don't like the kid. Simply not true. That you decide I don't "like" the kid for no more reason I do not yet promote him as elite as you have simply makes you a fanboy IMO. Embrace it! There's hope I suppose I may join you if he can perform against really good Ds, he saw two of them last year us and Bammer and was less than 4 ypc against both of them!! Two carries against us isn't fair I agree, but it is interesting he was average against the only two defenses he saw. Running an 83 yard TD against the Bama 3s and 4s in blowout loss is not against a good D to help the other fanboys out here. He was a >3 ypc SEC back last year against good defenses, talented and good. Elite? Hell to the naw!

 

[dovervolz]

The 98 D was exceptional but not as good as 92 bama. That Bama D only allowed 9.5 ppg

They allowed 9.4 points per game, 50.8 rushing yards per game, & 128.5 passing yards per game. According to www.sportsreference.com

 

[jeff1vol]

Ya'll better be patient with this defense. REMEMBER... it is NEW to everyone except Shoop. The D is NOT going to be gangbusters straight out of the gate. Hopefully... by the meat of the SEC we will be greatly improved.
UT NEVER meets expectations with units expected to be "great". It's usually the opposite. Our OL will probably be much better, while our defense will lag behind due to the learning curve.

 

[BaldBiker]

Ya'll better be patient with this defense. REMEMBER... it is NEW to everyone except Shoop. The D is NOT going to be gangbusters straight out of the gate. Hopefully... by the meat of the SEC we will be greatly improved.
UT NEVER meets expectations with units expected to be "great". It's usually the opposite. Our OL will probably be much better, while our defense will lag behind due to the learning curve.

The base defense is the same. Shoop is a good coach. We'll be fine.

 

[08Vol]

Ya'll better be patient with this defense. REMEMBER... it is NEW to everyone except Shoop. The D is NOT going to be gangbusters straight out of the gate. Hopefully... by the meat of the SEC we will be greatly improved.
UT NEVER meets expectations with units expected to be "great". It's usually the opposite. Our OL will probably be much better, while our defense will lag behind due to the learning curve.

My fear for this season: after the Bama game the defense finally starts clicking so we blow out the crap part of our schedule after losing some of the important games

 

[Remy]

My fear for this season: after the Bama game the defense finally starts clicking so we blow out the crap part of our schedule after losing some of the important games

For fear of you hexing us, I'm killing a chicken on an altar tonight and tossing some goat bones. Please don't ever say this again.

 

[KBVol]

Lol, KB for a guy that often points out when people try to put words in your mouth, you are now guilty of the same! I've never said anything about not liking the kid. I have often and on the regular said Chubb was a good RB and talented. That I do not cosign yet, I'm willing to if he sustains the performance of his freshman year his being elite, translates you making it public I don't like the kid. Simply not true. That you decide I don't "like" the kid for no more reason I do not yet promote him as elite as you have simply makes you a fanboy IMO. Embrace it! There's hope I suppose I may join you if he can perform against really good Ds, he saw two of them last year us and Bammer and was less than 4 ypc against both of them!! Two carries against us isn't fair I agree, but it is interesting he was average against the only two defenses he saw. Running an 83 yard TD against the Bama 3s and 4s in blowout loss is not against a good D to help the other fanboys out here. He was a >3 ypc SEC back last year against good defenses, talented and good. Elite? Hell to the naw!

Apologies. I thought I understood that you didn't like him "as a running back", that you thought he was overrated. You've brought some pretty strong arguments against him. Didn't mean to misinterpret you, thought I was accurately paraphrasing. Again, apologies.

Btw, he didn't rip off that run vs Bama's 3s and 4s.....Bama still had most of, if not all their starters in the game on that play which was still in the 3rd quarter. Just saying to correct the record.


Edit: couple of other thoughts Remy on well Nick has run vs the best run defenses he's played against thus far in his career:

Last year, the 2 best run defenses he played against was Bama, #1 in the SEC, and Vandy, #7..... vs those two teams combined, he had 39 carries for 335 yards, 8.6 ypc

As a freshman in 2014, here's how he did vs the best defenses he played....

Missouri, #4 SEC run defense..38 for 143
Arky, #2 SEC run defense....30 for 202
Fla, #3 SEC run defense....21 for 156
Louisville, #10 run defense in the country....33 for 266)

Totals....122 for 767 yds, 6.3 ypc

We'll see how he does going forward, perhaps your assessment is right, and I sure hope it is when he plays our beloved Vols.

 

[VolForLife83]

I don't know about you but I trust Cam Sutton, JRM, Alvin Kamara, and Josh Dobbs. I don't think they're the type that will the hype get to the team. This team has great leadership. I trust them to have the guys ready.

This. And you know Butch will keep them grounded

 

[Dougie_D]

I remember when Butch was hired, and even after his first year, the talk was all about Butch and the coaches he had around him. Would he stay loyal to the same gang that had followed him from school to school, and if not, it would be the end of him. Well, I think we can all agree that he has taken the necessary steps to put the right coaches in the right spots to get this team on a championship level.

Edit: hopefully Azzani is next if the receivers have another year similar to last

We still don't know the real reasoning why Jancek got fired or "left". My speculations was that Richt talked to him about the Miami job and Butch was pissed that Jancek might have even "considered it". It would have been different if Jancek was offered a HC job or NFL job. People forget that we blew the games EARLY in the season. Not late in the season.

I agree that Butch made a good hire, but it wasn't like he had to "seek" someone out. I think Shoop wanted to come back to the south because he knows the SEC is top notch and TN is a top notch program. Plus he made friends since he was Nashville, connections with players, etc...

When Elder left, I bet it took a lot longer to find a TE position. Oh... and looked like we got a coach who wasn't going to be retained at Miami. That was a no brainer.

Basically, I'm not giving Butch too much credit on hiring assistants yet.

It's obvious that we could benefit with have a QB coach and a better WR coach. But that hasn't happen yet.

 

[1972 Grad]

I'm sure everyone except me saw these interview quotes from Coach Shoop like 25 years ago since Jimmy Hyams tweeted them tonight, but I thought I'd share them for those of you that forgot because they FARD me up!!!

Shoop: `We’re very committed. We’re going to stop the run. Nobody will run the FB on the Orange Swarm. Nobody will run the FB on Tennessee.’

Shoop wants `11 men flying to the football like their hair is on fire. We’re going to come after the QB. Pressure makes the pipes burst.'

Shoop: `We’re very committed. We’re going to stop the run. Nobody will run the FB on the Orange Swarm. Nobody will run the FB on Tennessee.’

Shoop said juco DE Jonathan Kongbo has gone from 255 when he
signed to 280: `He may eat himself into playing inside (at tackle).’

Soon after Jimmy's tweet regarding Kongbo, Mr. KING Kongbo tweeted the following: "I'm telling yall I still move like a end"

We ready! GO VOLS!

Wasn't it Dooley who said he liked Justin Wilcox for his Boise State defense that swarmed to the ball like their hair was on fire? Wilcox is now D-Co at Univ of Wisconsin.

 

[Dragon18]

We still don't know the real reasoning why Jancek got fired or "left". My speculations was that Richt talked to him about the Miami job and Butch was pissed that Jancek might have even "considered it". It would have been different if Jancek was offered a HC job or NFL job. People forget that we blew the games EARLY in the season. Not late in the season.

I agree that Butch made a good hire, but it wasn't like he had to "seek" someone out. I think Shoop wanted to come back to the south because he knows the SEC is top notch and TN is a top notch program. Plus he made friends since he was Nashville, connections with players, etc...

When Elder left, I bet it took a lot longer to find a TE position. Oh... and looked like we got a coach who wasn't going to be retained at Miami. That was a no brainer.

Basically, I'm not giving Butch too much credit on hiring assistants yet.

It's obvious that we could benefit with have a QB coach and a better WR coach. But that hasn't happen yet.

Interesting take...

However, I think your agenda is showing.

 

[KBVol]

We still don't know the real reasoning why Jancek got fired or "left". My speculations was that Richt talked to him about the Miami job and Butch was pissed that Jancek might have even "considered it". It would have been different if Jancek was offered a HC job or NFL job. People forget that we blew the games EARLY in the season. Not late in the season.

I agree that Butch made a good hire, but it wasn't like he had to "seek" someone out. I think Shoop wanted to come back to the south because he knows the SEC is top notch and TN is a top notch program. Plus he made friends since he was Nashville, connections with players, etc...

When Elder left, I bet it took a lot longer to find a TE position. Oh... and looked like we got a coach who wasn't going to be retained at Miami. That was a no brainer.

Basically, I'm not giving Butch too much credit on hiring assistants yet.

1. Your speculation about Jancek and Richt is exactly that......pure speculation. I've not heard that mentioned at all. And, Jancek didn't leave Tennessee until a full month after Richt was hired at Miami...not sure the timing works out there. I think the play of the defense under Jancek last year, specifically the incredibly poor 4th down management and 4th quarter collapses, did him in. Well, that and some tumors about him diddling a co-ed after reportedly being warned to stop several times.

2. Shoop has said that Butch reached out to him, not vice versa. They didn't even have a relationship, hadn't really even met before Butch made him his primary target. It hadn't even been reported that Shoop was unhappy at PSU and looking to move. And honestly, I don't care how it happened, Butch should get an A+ and full marks for hiring Shoop.

3. Explain again why you don't give Jones credit for bringing in Larry Scott. I don't get it. Elder leaves early December, soon after the team and coaches are in preparation for the Jan 1 bowl game, so, more pressing things happening that needing to immediately fill a position coach opening. When they get to Tampa for the bowl game, they interview Scott after knowing that he's available, he meets with the staff, he's vouched for specifically by Cosch G, he appears to be a great fit, and boom, he's a Vol coach. And by all accounts, he's been a great hire....so why doesn't Jones get credit for him either?

 

[I Like Turtles]

Is there a sound bite to this?

 

[Dragon18]

1. Your speculation about Jancek and Richt is exactly that......pure speculation. I've not heard that mentioned at all. And, Jancek didn't leave Tennessee until a full month after Richt was hired at Miami...not sure the timing works out there. I think the play of the defense under Jancek last year, specifically the incredibly poor 4th down management and 4th quarter collapses, did him in. Well, that and some tumors about him diddling a co-ed after reportedly being warned to stop several times.

2. Shoop has said that Butch reached out to him, not vice versa. They didn't even have a relationship, hadn't really even met before Butch made him his primary target. It hadn't even been reported that Shoop was unhappy at PSU and looking to move. And honestly, I don't care how it happened, Butch should get an A+ and full marks for hiring Shoop.

3. Explain again why you don't give Jones credit for bringing in Larry Scott. I don't get it. Elder leaves early December, soon after the team and coaches are in preparation for the Jan 1 bowl game, so, more pressing things happening that needing to immediately fill a position coach opening. When they get to Tampa for the bowl game, they interview Scott after knowing that he's available, he meets with the staff, he's vouched for specifically by Cosch G, he appears to be a great fit, and boom, he's a Vol coach. And by all accounts, he's been a great hire....so why doesn't Jones get credit for him either?

KB some people just don't like Butch and will be skeptical of any thing he does or will minimize any of the things he had accomplished to this point. I don't know where he lands as a coach in terms of championships but he has done a dam() good job of rebuilding the program.

 

[KBVol]

KB some people just don't like Butch and will be skeptical of any thing he does or will minimize any of the things he had accomplished to this point. I don't know where he lands as a coach in terms of championships but he has done a dam() good job of rebuilding the program.

I agree. I don't get this. I've been critical of some of his gameday and press conference stuff, but I'm not sure how anybody can't feel great about how he's brought this program back to relevance in pretty short order, and that includes how he's put his staff together.

Strip is a great hire, as is Thig, Gillespie, and now both Scott and Shoop for sure. Martinez is a solid hire and it appears DeBord is as well. Azzani and Mahoney means he's not batting 1.000 IMO, but who does? He's 7 for 9..... Solid as a rock IMO.