To Protect and to Serve II

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MercyPercy said:
I'm just wondering how you could post something so blatantly wrong in the face of actual video evidence of high speed chases that not only endangered lives but took them.
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I think it depends greatly on the conditions behind said pursuit. I mean, if we're talking a speeding ticket or running a red light, I'd agree with your side of this debate. But sometimes there are far more serious crimes and serious people on the run that need to be pursued in order to capture them. There are also surveillance pursuits where the following patrolman is radioing in the location of said suspect in order to get them into a roadblock.

As with many things, conditions are always important and there are two sides of this coin. And yes, it can be overused by departments at times.
 
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508mikey said:
As States Expand Gun Rights, the Police Join the Opposition
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Two sides to that coin:

California sheriffs oppose Gavin Newsom’s gun control initiative | The Sacramento Bee

California sheriffs announced Monday that they are opposing Lt. Gov. Gavin Newsom’s gun-control measure aimed for the fall ballot, arguing it would not prevent criminals from obtaining guns and ammunition via the black market or theft.

Instead, the proposal would place additional restrictions on law-abiding people who want to buy ammunition for recreational use, retain guns and magazines that are currently legal or pass down historical or family heirlooms, the California State Sheriffs’ Association wrote in a letter to Newsom’s campaign.
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MercyPercy said:
I'm just wondering how you could post something so blatantly wrong in the face of actual video evidence of high speed chases that not only endangered lives but took them.
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If you read my posts, I am specifically speaking about a couple of TN Troopers that I used to officiate football with. Not a blanket statement about all officers........carry on....
 
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A little good news for a change.

Michigan Cop Buys Car Seat for Girl After Pulling Over Her Father - ABC News

LaVonte Dell told ABC News today he was driving in Westland, Michigan, this past Monday afternoon when he "suddenly saw the red and blue lights" behind car. The 28-year-old dad said his "heart dropped to his stomach" and that he was "so sure" he was going to get a costly ticket because of his vehicle's tinted windows.

But what happened next "completely surprised me," Dell said.

But rather than issuing him a ticket, Dell said the cop -- whom he later learned was Officer Joshua Scaglione with the City of Westland Police Department -- took the time to listen to his story and then made "a generous offer."

"The dad teared up a little and explained how he didn't have the money to afford a car seat right now and that he had been running into some tough times," Scaglione told ABC News today. "So I said, 'Hey, could you follow me to Walmart?' and he was a little shocked and asked me, 'For what?' I told him I'd be more than happy to buy the car seat for him."

"You know, a ticket doesn't help all the time," the officer said. "I've been in a tough situation like this guy before. I figured it'd be better to help him out and just raise more awareness about car safety rather than give him a ticket that would dig him deeper in a hole and make things worse for him.
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Tarrant police officer delivers groceries to woman caught stealing eggs at Dollar General | AL.com

TARRANT, Alabama - Helen Johnson stared in amazement at the piles of food accumulating in her small Tarrant apartment on Wednesday.

"The last time I saw my house this full, I was 12-years-old and staying with my grandmother,'' said the 47-year-old mother and grandmother. "I've been crying all day."

On Wednesday, Tarrant police delivered two truckloads of groceries to the woman, who on Saturday was caught stealing five eggs from the nearby Dollar General. Instead of arresting Johnson, Tarrant Police Officer William Stacy bought her a carton of eggs and sent her home with the promise to never shoplift again.
 
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T-TownVol said:
I used to officiate football with a couple of TN state troopers.....they said that "if" they do not chase, for example a car thief or an armed robber, there will be more criminals that think that they can ALWAYS get away with the crime JUST by driving fast ........thoughts? (I am not saying I agree, just giving what they gave me for an answer)
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Once they have been caught in the act, criminals are going to run regardless if the cops chase them or not.

That's just what criminals do.
 
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Grand Vol said:
I think it depends greatly on the conditions behind said pursuit. I mean, if we're talking a speeding ticket or running a red light, I'd agree with your side of this debate. But sometimes there are far more serious crimes and serious people on the run that need to be pursued in order to capture them. There are also surveillance pursuits where the following patrolman is radioing in the location of said suspect in order to get them into a roadblock.

As with many things, conditions are always important and there are two sides of this coin. And yes, it can be overused by departments at times.
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Grand Vol said:
Two sides to that coin:

California sheriffs oppose Gavin Newsom’s gun control initiative | The Sacramento Bee
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OK... I think I see where the miscommunication and failure to understand each other comes from.

No reasonable person is suggesting that there are not good cops or that cops are not capable of good deeds.

The problem is that far too many times, it seems that cops are acting against the people they are sworn to serve and protect. Whether it be 90/10, or 75/25 or even 50/50... the fact is that cops do not help their cause by hiding behind bushes and billboards waiting for the next speeder, or pulling over lower income moms and dads that can't afford car seats, or hassling people over busted taillights, reefer or tinted windows. Far too often, cops are seen by the general public as annoyances or pains in the arse... especially to people that just happen to be minding their own business. The burden to change cop perception is not on the general public/civilians. It rests squarely on the shoulders of law enforcement to change that perception. Cutting and pasting a story here or there about some cop in Peoria buying kids ice cones on a hot summer day or shooting hoops with the kids isn't enough. If we saw cops actually standing up against these unjust laws that they are being asked to enforce, that would go a whole lot further.

Instead of being "duty bound" to enforce unjust and unconstitutional laws, how about cops stand united and get behind the people for a change instead of these lawyers and bureaucrats?
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
OK... I think I see where the miscommunication and failure to understand each other comes from.
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The miscommunication is the fact you can't look at anything LEO related without becoming a child.

Rasputin_Vol said:
No reasonable person is suggesting that there are not good cops or that cops are not capable of good deeds.
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So instead of saying "what a nice thing to do" for the link I posted earlier, you decided to make a nasty comment instead.

Very reasonable of you.
 
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Grand Vol said:
The miscommunication is the fact you can't look at anything LEO related without becoming a child.



So instead of saying "what a nice thing to do" for the link I posted earlier, you decided to make a nasty comment instead.

Very reasonable of you.
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don't forget about his "partner" in hate.....DTH....it is truly sad......
 
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Grand Vol said:
The miscommunication is the fact you can't look at anything LEO related without becoming a child.



So instead of saying "what a nice thing to do" for the link I posted earlier, you decided to make a nasty comment instead.

Very reasonable of you.
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I didn't see anything nasty about his comments. What were you referring to?
 
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SamRebel35 said:
I didn't see anything nasty about his comments. What were you referring to?
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"Shouldn't have been pulled over to begin with."

Good grief, if you can't say something nice about a cop that went out of his way to do something for someone he could have easily given a ticket to, don't say anything at all.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
OK... I think I see where the miscommunication and failure to understand each other comes from.

No reasonable person is suggesting that there are not good cops or that cops are not capable of good deeds.

The problem is that far too many times, it seems that cops are acting against the people they are sworn to serve and protect. Whether it be 90/10, or 75/25 or even 50/50... the fact is that cops do not help their cause by hiding behind bushes and billboards waiting for the next speeder, or pulling over lower income moms and dads that can't afford car seats, or hassling people over busted taillights, reefer or tinted windows. Far too often, cops are seen by the general public as annoyances or pains in the arse... especially to people that just happen to be minding their own business. The burden to change cop perception is not on the general public/civilians. It rests squarely on the shoulders of law enforcement to change that perception. Cutting and pasting a story here or there about some cop in Peoria buying kids ice cones on a hot summer day or shooting hoops with the kids isn't enough. If we saw cops actually standing up against these unjust laws that they are being asked to enforce, that would go a whole lot further.

Instead of being "duty bound" to enforce unjust and unconstitutional laws, how about cops stand united and get behind the people for a change instead of these lawyers and bureaucrats?
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Im not sure how that works out. Should each individual officer decide what they think is just or unjust? Im not sure that comes out the way you think it does.
 
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BeecherVol said:
Im not sure how that works out. Should each individual officer decide what they think is just or unjust? Im not sure that comes out the way you think it does.
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Who said anything about individual officers? I clearly said in my post "cops stand united", meaning a collective coming together on a consensus that is of benefit to the people.

Maybe you should read slower.
 
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Grand Vol said:
"Shouldn't have been pulled over to begin with."

Good grief, if you can't say something nice about a cop that went out of his way to do something for someone he could have easily given a ticket to, don't say anything at all.
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What was the guy even pulled over for, Grand?
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
What was the guy even pulled over for, Grand?
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Apparently the tinted windows, though the article is unclear on that.

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"You know, a ticket doesn't help all the time," the officer said. "I've been in a tough situation like this guy before. I figured it'd be better to help him out and just raise more awareness about car safety rather than give him a ticket that would dig him deeper in a hole and make things worse for him.
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I guess he should have just shot him and made you happy you had something to complain about.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Who said anything about individual officers? I clearly said in my post "cops stand united", meaning a collective coming together on a consensus that is of benefit to the people.

Maybe you should read slower.
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We can't even agree on this page what is for and against the benefit of people....how do you expect cops to unite and agree?
 
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Grand Vol said:
Apparently the tinted windows, though the article is unclear on that.

Yet...



I guess he should have just shot him and made you happy you had something to complain about.
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Liar... It says it specifically in the article. As a matter of fact, you chose to leave out the reason for the traffic stop when you first posted the link.


A Michigan father wants people to know "there are still real-life superheroes in this world" after a police officer's random act of kindness recently brought him to tears.

LaVonte Dell told ABC News today he was driving in Westland, Michigan, this past Monday afternoon when he "suddenly saw the red and blue lights" behind car. The 28-year-old dad said his "heart dropped to his stomach" and that he was "so sure" he was going to get a costly ticket because of his vehicle's tinted windows.

But what happened next "completely surprised me," Dell said.

"The officer told me why he pulled me over, which I had predicted, and then he also noticed my 3-year-old in the back wasn't in a car seat," Dell said. "He asked me to step out of my vehicle to talk to him, and I was just so scared thinking this couldn't be good."

But rather than issuing him a ticket, Dell said the cop -- whom he later learned was Officer Joshua Scaglione with the City of Westland Police Department -- took the time to listen to his story and then made "a generous offer."
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volbeast33 said:
We can't even agree on this page what is for and against the benefit of people....how do you expect cops to unite and agree?
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They can start by simply agreeing to uphold the Constitution that they swore to enforce.

If it violates the Constitution, they shouldn't enforce it.

Pretty simple, really.
 
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